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The 'behind closed doors' comments are especially funny when you consider he probably had a hand in green lighting that ridiculous documentary about Liverpool.

As for the Gerrard comments, it's only logical he'd take his defence and in any case he's entitled to his opinion and can believe SAF is wrong on that count if he wishes, I'm sure a lot of people (and not only LFC fans) will disagree with Fergie.

Totally agree with this. Brendan is a fanny and the closed doors stuff makes him look stupid in light of the documentary etcetera but he's fully entitled to say Gerrard is a great player.
 
Shite he's talking? All he said was Gerrard isn't a "top, top player" and wasn't as good as Scholes or Keane, a sentiment which is probably echoed regularly on football forums throughout the world. Jesus, it's hardly a massive criticism is it? His Rafa stuff seems at least slightly controversial, but this Gerrard nonsense is total bollocks and typical of the faux outrage media driven society we currently live in. He said the same thing about Lampard but he just laughed it off and said he was entitled to his opinion and mentioned how Fergie had always been complimentary about him, which is the correct response. The man is one of the most significant figures in British culture of the last 20 years, he transcends sport and if he wants to write a book he can write a fecking book, you'd think Rodgers would be grateful, he can read it looking for some more motivational ideas to steal and then promptly feck up. Sanctity of the dressing room, what a crock of shit, it's weird how every autobiographical football book that's ever been written has had stuff regarding the dressing room in it yet only now when Fergie has done it, again, it's some sort of controversy. He's writing a book about his time managing Manchester United, what did they expect him to talk about, the weather? God I hate the media, they spent all day covering it everywhere and making it all massive news and now they all want to know why he wrote it. Mental. Meltdown over.
 
Our "man" is mostly right about Stevie Gerrard, the harsh truth hurts.

Your man is most certainly not. The only place you will ever hear that is from a United fan or manager.
 
Your man is most certainly not. The only place you will ever hear that is from a United fan or manager.
Gerrard is not a 'top, top player' - he never fulfilled his potential to be that midfield monster.
 
Shite he's talking? All he said was Gerrard isn't a "top, top player" and wasn't as good as Scholes or Keane, a sentiment which is probably echoed regularly on football forums throughout the world. Jesus, it's hardly a massive criticism is it? His Rafa stuff seems at least slightly controversial, but this Gerrard nonsense is total bollocks and typical of the faux outrage media driven society we currently live in. He said the same thing about Lampard but he just laughed it off and said he was entitled to his opinion and mentioned how Fergie had always been complimentary about him, which is the correct response. The man is one of the most significant figures in British culture of the last 20 years, he transcends sport and if he wants to write a book he can write a fecking book, you'd think Rodgers would be grateful, he can read it looking for some more motivational ideas to steal and then promptly feck up. Sanctity of the dressing room, what a crock of shit, it's weird how every autobiographical football book that's ever been written has had stuff regarding the dressing room in it yet only now when Fergie has done it, again, it's some sort of controversy. He's writing a book about his time managing Manchester United, what did they expect him to talk about, the weather? God I hate the media, they spent all day covering it everywhere and making it all massive news and now they all want to know why he wrote it. Mental. Meltdown over.

Pretty much my thoughts. Although, I don't think media is in meltdown. They feckin know what will get the mass outraged and hence help them in turn to keep the story going.
Agree on Gerrard bit. SAF has praised Gerrard numerous times in past. If by top top player from opposition, in midfield, he means Zidane, Xavi, Iniesta, Pirlo then is it too wrong not to categorize Gerrard in same list? There must be paras written before/after this sentence about Gerrard praising him but it obviously gets ignored. He must have praised Keano and his contribution somewhere but that is ignored.

How many of those fans who are 'outraged' and are analyzing these snippets of info have read the whole book on their own? Unless you read the book, read everything in context it is wrong to talk shit which Brenton has done. For fans it is OK, most football fans are feckin tribal anyway. As a manager he could have simply said, "I haven't read the book. On Gerrard: For me he is 'top top player'"
 
Your man is most certainly not. The only place you will ever hear that is from a United fan or manager.
Of course not, don't go to the other extreme. It'd be silly to say that only LFC fans hold Gerrard in high estime, but it'd be equally silly to suggest that the only people susceptible of criticizing him, or saying he's not "a top top player" (which is somewhat different) would be a Utd manager or Utd fans.
 
On one hand he's not a top top player on the other hand SAF also said he was willing to pay 20mil for him.?
 
"It's certainly something that in modern time is becoming more difficult. I always felt that years ago you could say those sorts of things, that people were open and honest, but that it would get left behind and you move on.
"As time goes on and all the social communication and technologies come along it makes it that bit more difficult. You would like to think you would still have some old school values and ethics that whatever is said you take it on the chin and keep it behind closed doors and move on."

Eh? The man is only just 40 & he's taking like an old man :wenger:
 
Shite he's talking? All he said was Gerrard isn't a "top, top player" and wasn't as good as Scholes or Keane, a sentiment which is probably echoed on football forums throughout the world. Jesus, it's hardly a massive criticism is it? His Rafa stuff seems at least slightly controversial, but this Gerrard nonsense is total bollocks and typical of the faux outrage media driven society we currently live in. He said the same thing about Lampard but he just laughed it off and said he was entitled to his opinion and mentioned how Fergie had always been complimentary about him, which is the correct response. The man is one of the most significant figures in British culture of the last 20 years, he transcends sport and if he wants to write a book he can write a fecking book, you'd think Rodgers would be grateful, he can read it looking for some more motivational ideas to steal and then promptly feck up. Sanctity of the dressing room, what a crock of shit, it's weird how every autobiographical football book that's ever been written has had stuff regarding the dressing room in it yet only now when Fergie has done it, again, it's some sort of controversy. He's writing a book about his time managing Manchester United, what did they expect him to talk about, the weather? God I hate the media, they spent all day covering it everywhere and making it all massive news and now they all want to know why he wrote it. Mental. Meltdown over.

:lol: :lol::lol: and you think this wasnt his intention? There is a reason why the book was released to the press two days early to create controversy and get people talking about it. Dont make the media as the bad guy as this is exactly what fergie and his publishers wanted.
 
Its all just sensationalist bollox for the book.

Im pretty sure Fergie said Gerard is world class about 4 years ago and then said something a lot worse, along the lines of "he is Keane".

Thats also bollox obviously.....
 
On one hand he's not a top top player on the other hand SAF also said he was willing to pay 20mil for him.?

He has never been a top, top player like Scholes. But, everyone, including SAF, knows that he was a really, really good player.
 
Your man is most certainly not. The only place you will ever hear that is from a United fan or manager.


I believe it was Rafael Honigstein on Football Weekly who said other top countries can't believe Gerard plays for England because he's basically a headless chicken.
 
:lol: :lol::lol: and you think this wasnt his intention? There is a reason why the book was released to the press two days early to create controversy and get people talking about it. Dont make the media as the bad guy as this is exactly what fergie and his publishers wanted.

The media hacks are all having a pop at him for releasing a book when they can't get enough of it, that's my point, it's hypocritical, the man has every right to release a book if he wishes, he's a massive public figure. And there isn't anything particularly controversial in it anyway, saying Gerrard isn't a "top, top player" certainly isn't, which is what this thread is discussing, that's been created by the media. Fergie didn't tell the journalists which excerpts to publish, they were all handed the book and went to the index and looked for "Roy Keane, David Beckham, Ruud Van Nistelrooy" because they love to create controversy, Jon Snow, a proper journalist actually said in the interview with Fergie how much milder this book is compared to the last one.
 
SAF is bang on about both Gerrard and Lampard.

Both brilliant players but a tier below the true midfield greats of the generation.
 
He's giving his opinion, saying Gerrard isn't "a top top player" isn't outlandish for feck's sake, whatever your opinion is!

Saw a transcript of what Brenton said on SkySports, there's also a stupid comment about Henderson and the fact Fergie talks about his style of running? And for Gerrard he refers to a survey about being the best player but not actually having won the title but actually being the best player. I didn't understand.
 
The media hacks are all having a pop at him for releasing a book when they can't get enough of it, that's my point, it's hypocritical, the man has every right to release a book if he wishes, he's a massive public figure. And there isn't anything particularly controversial in it anyway, saying Gerrard isn't a "top, top player" certainly isn't, which is what this thread is discussing, that's been created by the media. Fergie didn't tell the journalists which excerpts to publish, they were all handed the book and went to the index and looked for "Roy Keane, David Beckham, Ruud Van Nistelrooy" because they love to create controversy, Jon Snow, a proper journalist actually said in the interview with Fergie how much milder this book is compared to the last one.

The interview where its accepted that fergie came out worse off? Since snow asked him some pointed questions that he had no response to? Do you think he didnt expect what the media reaction would be? He knew this would happen and thats exactly why the book was released early. Controversy sells.
 
Still think Fergie is just busting Gerard's balls here a bit. He's on the record saying something entirely different about him when it suited his own /United agenda.

Bit small time in some ways I have to say...
 
From F365:

Glass Houses
"Anyone who's been in football knows that whatever is said behind closed doors and in the changing room is something you wouldn't want to hear again," said Brendan Rodgers on Talksport when asked about Sir Alex Ferguson's autobiography.

Mediawatch suspects that Ferguson will not be so keen to take a lecture on 'what happens in the dressing-room stays in the dressing-room' from a man who was at the centre of a TV documentary (Being: Liverpool) which allowed TV cameras into said dressing-room.

This is a man who was shown on television showing his team three envelopes and saying: "When I arrived here, the first few days were analysing the group, the staff, the players. I think there's three players who will let us down this year - the cause, the fight, everything. And I have written them down already."

This is a man who publicly described the defending of current players Martin Skrtel and Sebastien Coates as "soft" last season.

This is a man who described his then-player Stewart Downing as "lazy".

This is a man who then told the press that Downing had accepted an "incredible deal" at West Ham when reports suggested that he had actually taken a pay-cut.

In short, this is a man without a leg to stand on.
 
The interview where its accepted that fergie came out worse off? Since snow asked him some pointed questions that he had no response to? Do you think he didnt expect what the media reaction would be? He knew this would happen and thats exactly why the book was released early. Controversy sells.

:confused:

It's 'accepted that fergie came out worse off'? I must've missed that!
 
The interview where its accepted that fergie came out worse off? Since snow asked him some pointed questions that he had no response to? Do you think he didnt expect what the media reaction would be? He knew this would happen and thats exactly why the book was released early. Controversy sells.

What difference does how Fergie came across in the interview make to my point about Snow saying the book is mild and asking him if there's another much more controversial book waiting to be released in the future? I have no idea what the media strategy was, it has no relevance, all I know is the media built up these controversies, covering them non-stop, and that now they've finished building them up they're saying how awful he's been to his former players, when in reality that isn't the case at all. Maybe this was all a cunning marketing plan, it doesn't matter to me, I'm commenting on hacks and other managers spouting bollocks about how Fergie shouldn't have written this book and that it goes against the sanctimony of the dressing room and all that nonsense.
 
Nope, he's talking shit in all honesty.

I disagree with you.Gerrard has never been as good as the english have hyped him up.

Your man is most certainly not. The only place you will ever hear that is from a United fan or manager.
Gerrard is not a 'top, top player' - he never fulfilled his potential to be that midfield monster.

:lol:

See it's not just United fans or managers.
 
Last word, from Michael Laudrup:

Laudrup also believes there must be far more interesting content within Ferguson's tome, than any disagreements he has had with his players during his illustrious career.

He said: "If we are talking about a guy like Ferguson, I am sure there is a lot of really good stuff in there talking about and explaining games, tactics, systems that everybody could learn from. But the headlines are all about these things about one player, or the other player wanting to leave."

"I saw some of the headlines yesterday, I refuse to believe that that is the most interesting stuff in the book. What Ferguson has achieved in so many years, there must be so many interesting things, so then I point my fingers at you guys (the media) about how can it be so interesting what happened one day with Roy Keane or a boot in the head of Beckham and why that happened? That can't be the most interesting thing in a book about a manager's life for 25-26 years."
 
What difference does how Fergie came across in the interview make to my point about Snow saying the book is mild and asking him if there's another much more controversial book waiting to be released in the future? I have no idea what the media strategy was, it has no relevance, all I know is the media built up these controversies, covering them non-stop, and that now they've finished building them up they're saying how awful he's been to his former players, when in reality that isn't the case at all. Maybe this was all a cunning marketing plan, it doesn't matter to me, I'm commenting on hacks and other managers spouting bollocks about how Fergie shouldn't have written this book and that it goes against the sanctimony of the dressing room and all that nonsense.

Because you are making it out as only the hacks are lining up to take shots at him, while snow did the same in that interview. :lol: what cunning market plan? Its one of the oldest marketing strategies, controversies sell. The more publicity the book gets the more people will buy it. The fact that other managers are commenting on it will aid his bank balance.

And its been one day, and the reaction to it started coming immediately after so no they havent been convering it non-stop.

@Fergus the general accepted view in the media is that Fergie didnt come across as well in that interview and if you do watch it you should think the same.
 
Because you are making it out as only the hacks are lining up to take shots at him, while snow did the same in that interview. :lol: what cunning market plan? Its one of the oldest marketing strategies, controversies sell. The more publicity the book gets the more people will buy it. The fact that other managers are commenting on it will aid his bank balance.

And its been one day, and the reaction to it started coming immediately after so no they havent been convering it non-stop.

Yes, it was non-stop that day, there were live blogs on every single national newspaper, ITV evening news, BBC evening news, Channel 4 evening news, BBC website live blog, Nick Robinson was at the press conference for christ sake, and all were waiting for any controversies they could report. This is the media in this country, they aren't interested in reporting any enlightening things the man has to say about leadership, it's all about dirt. I really don't understand your point, man writes book, holds press conference, release book to press two hours before press conference, and the whole media decide to look at the index for David Beckham and Roy Keane to write stories on any controversy, real or fake, they believe there to be. Look at what Laudrup has said, he's summed it up far more succinctly, a book about one of the most successful managers in history and the media boil it down to a debate about whether Steven fecking Gerrard is a "top, top player" or not. As I've said before, the publishers don't set the agenda, the press do. Did they anticipate this response? Sure, because everyone knows what an utter abomination "journalism" is in this country. Does it help sales? Probably, but that doesn't make it right.

As for the point on Jon Snow, I wasn't having a go at the media for slating Fergie, I was criticising why they were slating him, amazingly they are two separate entities. If someone critiques David Cameron for his cozying up to big business and his continual failure to put forward any policy aimed at reducing the massive disparity between rich and poor in this country I'd think fine, if another person had a go at him because he wears shit shoes I'd think that'd be a touch unfair. Snow offered up a reasoned critique and made salient points so I have no issue with him.
 
Last word, from Michael Laudrup:

Laudrup also believes there must be far more interesting content within Ferguson's tome, than any disagreements he has had with his players during his illustrious career.

He said: "If we are talking about a guy like Ferguson, I am sure there is a lot of really good stuff in there talking about and explaining games, tactics, systems that everybody could learn from. But the headlines are all about these things about one player, or the other player wanting to leave."

"I saw some of the headlines yesterday, I refuse to believe that that is the most interesting stuff in the book. What Ferguson has achieved in so many years, there must be so many interesting things, so then I point my fingers at you guys (the media) about how can it be so interesting what happened one day with Roy Keane or a boot in the head of Beckham and why that happened? That can't be the most interesting thing in a book about a manager's life for 25-26 years."

I think I'm starting to fall in love with Michael Laudrup.
 
"You would like to think you would still have some old school values and ethics that whatever is said you take it on the chin and keep it behind closed doors and move on." said Rogers, former star of fly on the wall documentary about LFC 'Being Liverpool'.
 
Gerrard nor Lampard are top top players. Both are very good players, who excelled in their respective teams. They inspired those around them and improved others. I'm not sure any of the two would have had near the same impact in another team, perhaps proven by their form for England. 'Top top players' you know can reproduce that form in any team in the world.
 
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