Brentan Rodgers
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Stating the obvious as usual but maybe SAF is just peeved that Gerrard never came to United; hence the bitchiness.
It's fecking brilliant how many scousers have told me today that Ferguson has tarnished his reputation. His reputation with whom? Oppo fans who all hate him or us who all love him. It's ridiculous.
It's a shame, now people will think of him as some kind of angry Scot who's all "my way or the highway"......
Yeah, it's incredible. They'll soon forget how he used to present flowers to oppo managers, cured leprosy and invented the water slide. Fickle modern fans, eh?
It's a joke mate, these days....
I remember when managers used to dismember people who even dared to think of asking for an autograph; then Fergie came along and everything changed - suddenly, people who'd never even seen a football were actually allowed to play for the famous Manchester United. This explains Ashley Young's signing.
You don't tarnish your reputation with the comments like the Gerrard ones, it's only wishful thinking by certain people.
He was never going to come to Utd and we never made a bid to my knowledge. it's more an issue with England and their obsession with Gerrard/Lampard whch was to to the detriment of Scholes
And possibly Carrick too ?
Fergie is completely spot on about Lampard and Gerrard, and also the bit about Brenton who is by all accounts a nobody.
That he is a fat bastard. Can't argue.
Great servant to Chelsea but was never a top international player. That's the one quote they have lifted on Lampard.
The one quote with Gerrard was "that he was never a top, top player". Again, that's the one quote lifted.
I'm just amazed that so many people can get in a tizz over an opinion - and one that he clarified he was "amongst the few" that thought it.
As a level 4 leader, I believe he's out of place making those kind of outlandish suggestions.
As opposed to Moyes who has put the fear of God in every team in Europe. The Chosen One, chosen by Ferguson himself.
Oh no, there's no shock that Moyes got a job at a league winning team. None whatsoever. But Brendan at a midtable club? yeah that one is "WOAH, what's that all about?!"
As opposed to Moyes who has put the fear of God in every team in Europe. The Chosen One, chosen by Ferguson himself.
Oh no, there's no shock that Moyes got a job at a league winning team. None whatsoever. But Brendan at a midtable club? yeah that one is "WOAH, what's that all about?!"
Tbf Brenton deserves credit for turning a mediocre mid table team into a decent team at the moment, but he's still a nobody and a hypocrite. I don't know why you are attacking Moyes, but he has achieved far more in football than Brenton.
I was already wet....so the jokes on her.
Yeah, I really couldn't give a feck what someone says about Steven Gerrard. For me he's up there with Dalgish when it comes to all time Liverpool greats. & all this shite about comparing him to other great footballers is pointless really because all players are different, & all have different qualities. For example, he didn't have the technical ability of Paul Scholes. But Scholes didn't have the dynamic, explosive attributes that Gerrard possessed in his prime. Steve never had the luxury of playing alongside other great players week in, week out - It's all hypothetical of course. But I'm pretty sure if Gerrard had played for United, then Fergie's opinion might have coincided with the vast majority of people in that Stevie was a 'top, top player'.
Because at Utd Gerrard would have been much better, surrounded by better teammates and coached by the greatest.
As opposed to Moyes who has put the fear of God in every team in Europe. The Chosen One, chosen by Ferguson himself.
Oh no, there's no shock that Moyes got a job at a league winning team. None whatsoever. But Brendan at a midtable club? yeah that one is "WOAH, what's that all about?!"
Obviously facts are facts so no-ones going to come out and say that Moyes is a manager with top pedigree and a history of success but he did more with Everton than Rodgers has done with Liverpool as yet. Moyes took a team that finished 15th, got them to 4th within 3 seasons and has averaged 6th place since despite spending considerably less than the teams above and below him. Even the genius Rafa only averaged 4th over his entire reign despite spending far more than anyone else except Chelsea (and perhaps City towards the end).
Rodgers so far has taken a team who finished 8th and taken them to the heady heights of 7th whilst spending £71 million (I did it in net for you). Although admittedly you are looking good this season and I do think you'll end up challenging for 4th.
If he means "was never in the bracket of the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Zidane, Maradona, Ronaldinho" then he's absolutely right. But he was in the group below and extremely consistent over a very long period. He affected games as often as pretty much any player. In the modern game there's a bit of an obsession with focussing on what players don't do, but what he did/does he does extremely well. He wouldn't be my first choice if I was signing a disciplined defensive midfielder, or a nippy little playermaker who keeps possession of the ball but he's a pretty bloody good version of what he is.
Indeed. I doubt even Steven Gerrard himself gives two shits to be honest... probably just drive him to score a free-kick at Old Trafford later this season or something.
I think he also says something about Gerrard being the Liverpool player to always cause us problems when we play gainst your lot, so it's not like he's oblivious to his talents.
Me personally, I always thought Gerrard was at his best when being an attacking midfielder/ behind the striker (and when that striker was Torres)... where he could basically go around the pitch doing what he wanted.
The scousers being precious shock horror. OMG Fergie doesn't believe Stevie G's a top, top player
Let's cancel the season. This is too much of an outrage.
Let's cancel the season. This is too much of an outrage.
The scousers being precious shock horror. OMG Fergie doesn't believe Stevie G's a top, top player
Let's cancel the season. This is too much of an outrage.
So true, they can't handle the truth.Gerrard and Scholes were both world class in their prime for different reasons. I just think Scholes managed his decline a lot better.
Gerrard will rightly be remembered as a Premier League great. But he's not world class, which is what Ferguson's getting at. He wasn't even good in his 'peak years' as he was when he first burst onto the scene. Parallels with Rooney there...
That might be true, but it still doesn't take away his incredible achievements playing for an inferior side, & playing alongside mainly inferior players for so long.
We got a glimpse of what might have been in 2009 had Gerrard spent his entire career surrounded by better calibre players. Great players like Zidane thought that Steve was up there with the best. It's baffling as to why the ex manager of our fiercest, most hated rivals, thought differently. I guess we'll never quite put our finger on it.
It's a strange world eh ?
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/mar/13/zinedine-zidane-steven-gerrard-liverpool
In fairness, if say Daglish or whoever else came out and said they didn't think Rooney has ever been a "truly top player" ... a certain few people on this forum would probably go properly mental.
A certain few others would also nod in agreement mind.
A certain few others would also nod in agreement mind.
Would you consider Gerrard to be as good as Scholes?
I'm starting to get a bit tired at this question.
The Neville answer of "they're totally different players who are capable of totally different things" is surely the right one.
The scousers being precious shock horror. OMG Fergie doesn't believe Stevie G's a top, top player
Let's cancel the season. This is too much of an outrage.
Get the t-shirts out.
No need to be tired of it. I didn't ask you.
Responding to a question - regardless of who you asked - on a forum is pretty much how this works.
You have to admit - this qusetion seems to have been asked over the last month or so.
If it's a direct question to a poster for a specific reason then it's not really necessary to respond, especially if you're tired of the question. The point was is Zidane's word gospel as he's pointing to it as evidence Fergie is just biased or does he pick and choose what Zidane says to suit his own argument. We all know what Zidane has said about Scholes in the past.
Rodgers is know using the phrase "top top" every other sentence in his press conference
BTW - I disagree with Fergie on Gerrard and most will. You could point to his deficiencies in a 2 man midfield but he has had a very good career and is rated highly by many. Someone to have scored the goals he did from the position he played under Benitez is a top class footballer.
BTW - I disagree with Fergie on Gerrard and most will. You could point to his deficiencies in a 2 man midfield but he has had a very good career and is rated highly by many. Someone to have scored the goals he did from the position he played under Benitez is a top class footballer.
Don't think he was in the same class as Scholes but he was a bloody good player Saf says the same what's the problem?
As has been said - different players with different qualities - I'd certainly consider Scholes to be a top, top player. But I seriously doubt he'd have had the influence that Gerrard has had should he have played for Liverpool rather than United.
Like I said before, you can't simply compare player for player. Especially 2 players who brought different things to their respective clubs. Looking back on what Gerrard has done for Liverpool, I certainly wouldn't have swapped him for Scholes. I'd have loved to seen them both line up together playing for Liverpool, just in the same way Ferguson would have given his soul to have seen them both tearing up the midfield in a United shirt.
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