Brentan Rodgers

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mickeza said:
Yes, it was non-stop that day, there were live blogs on every single national newspaper, ITV evening news, BBC evening news, Channel 4 evening news, BBC website live blog, Nick Robinson was at the press conference for christ sake, and all were waiting for any controversies they could report. This is the media in this country, they aren't interested in reporting any enlightening things the man has to say about leadership, it's all about dirt. I really don't understand your point, man writes book, holds press conference, release book to press two hours before press conference, and the whole media decide to look at the index for David Beckham and Roy Keane to write stories on any controversy, real or fake, they believe there to be. Look at what Laudrup has said, he's summed it up far more succinctly, a book about one of the most successful managers in history and the media boil it down to a debate about whether Steven fecking Gerrard is a "top, top player" or not. As I've said before, the publishers don't set the agenda, the press do. Did they anticipate this response? Sure, because everyone knows what an utter abomination "journalism" is in this country. Does it help sales? Probably, but that doesn't make it right.

As for the point on Jon Snow, I wasn't having a go at the media for slating Fergie, I was criticising why they were slating him, amazingly they are two separate entities. If someone critiques David Cameron for his cozying up to big business and his continual failure to put forward any policy aimed at reducing the massive disparity between rich and poor in this country I'd think fine, if another person had a go at him because he wears shit shoes I'd think that'd be a touch unfair. Snow offered up a reasoned critique and made salient points so I have no issue with him.
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Okay so they expected it and went with it because it helps sales. How does that not make it right? If I see a moron walking up to a group of people and start baiting them, when his ass gets kicked I would think that he deserved it. Not that its unfair. If you expect and want something to happen, you cant complain when it does.

He could easily have avoided it by not doing a press conference, specially with the british media. Not releasing the book to the press two days beforehand but sales would have suffered.
 
Spiersey said:
Gerrard nor Lampard are top top players. Both are very good players, who excelled in their respective teams. They inspired those around them and improved others. I'm not sure any of the two would have had near the same impact in another team, perhaps proven by their form for England. 'Top top players' you know can reproduce that form in any team in the world.
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Pretty much agree with this.

Oh, and I'm joining in on the Laudrup love in.
 
Brenton and the rest of merseyside are absolutely heartbroken aren't they?

The majority of whom think Gerrard is/was better than Scholes ever was.

Gerrard is a legend, but that doesn't make him a Zidane or a Scholes or a Xavi. He has never defined an era.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
The 'behind closed doors' comments are especially funny when you consider he probably had a hand in green lighting that ridiculous documentary about Liverpool.

As for the Gerrard comments, it's only logical he'd take his defence and in any case he's entitled to his opinion and can believe SAF is wrong on that count if he wishes, I'm sure a lot of people (and not only LFC fans) will disagree with Fergie.
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He had no hand in it. It was done by the owners and was planned whilst Kenny was at the club.

The Man Himself said:
Pretty laughable when you do all that big talk and it is manager of a club who did all those feck ups after racism incident is talking.

What is laughable is he is going by what media has portrayed and focused on. None of what has been said by SAF on any topic is new revelation. His views on those topics were clear to everyone and what had happened was known to all. There must be other things in book like praising all these United players about whom Fergie has pointed out some uncomfortable incidents. Has Brenton read the book and read which comments were made in what context?

As I said, definitely knows what would make him dear to Liverpool supporters.
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As opposed to SAF writing about them in his book? :lol:
 
Decotron said:
One of my favourite players of all time. I wonder where he'll end up clubwise eventually?
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Arsenal when Arsene goes in a few years. He's a very smart article with a lot of the qualities Wenger has plus the cachet of being a top, top player.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
For IP reasons he'd have had to agree to feature in it. And he didn't exactly look like someone reluctant to be there in the documentary itself :lol:
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He'd already convinced the owners to change the structure of the club, he wasn't going to be able to come in and demand everything his way.

He's hardly going to sit around sulking in it either.
 
BarneyLFC said:
He'd already convinced the owners to change the structure of the club, he wasn't going to be able to come in and demand everything his way.

He's hardly going to sit around sulking in it either.
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I agree. But by having participated in such a show, whatever his level of commitment or involvement, he's making an idiot of himself with comments on the subject.
 
ok, lets compare.. Sir Alex, the greatest manager in the history of English football talking about events we already know about, and giving opinions on players after he retired from the game in his autobiography, Vs Rodgers who has achieved fook all, having a go at a young lad on a tv reality show to try and show how great a manager he is..
 
*sighs* If only SAF had been a chemist like Harry Redknapp...
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
Brenton and the rest of merseyside are absolutely heartbroken aren't they?

The majority of whom think Gerrard is/was better than Scholes ever was.

Gerrard is a legend, but that doesn't make him a Zidane or a Scholes or a Xavi. He has never defined an era.
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Scholes has never defined an era either.

Gerrard was an absolutely fabulous footballer. He's criminally under-rated here.
 
alastair said:
Scholes has never defined an era either.

Gerrard was an absolutely fabulous footballer. He's criminally under-rated here.
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He's just your back-in-the-day version of Andy Carroll. You didn't see him when he broke through and looked like he'd eclipse Vieira and Keane, Fail.
 
alastair said:
Scholes has never defined an era either.

Gerrard was an absolutely fabulous footballer. He's criminally under-rated here.
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Don't know what defining an era would mean but Scholes was highly rated by both Zidane and by Xavi.

As for Gerrard, well what did you expect? He plays for Liverpool and no Liverpool player is going to get lauded by a United fan, no matter how good they are.
 
peterstorey said:
He's just your back-in-the-day version of Andy Carroll. You didn't see him when he broke through and looked like he'd eclipse Vieira and Keane, Fail.
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But maybe the fact that you thought the world of him when he was young means you're just constantly disappointed by him now?

I still think he was a top class player. Whether that's as good as he ever could have been is a different issue, but it doesn't stop him being world class.
 
Robson and Souness would be the earlier and invidious comparisons for me. We're talking great CMs.
 
Said that he runs like a girl.
 
Watching Ferguson was odd, he looked a bit strange, I'm afraid no-one much cares any more what he says - he's gone, it's over.
 
peterstorey said:
Watching Ferguson was odd, he looked a bit strange, I'm afraid no-one much cares any more what he says - he's gone, it's over.
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You just have to watch the shitstorm created by some of his writings, reactions by managers etc. to see that people care what he has to say.
 
peterstorey said:
Watching Ferguson was odd, he looked a bit strange, I'm afraid no-one much cares any more what he says - he's gone, it's over.
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Yup, it's quite peculiar to be honest, I've been a bit disappointed by this book rollout. It smacks of a contractual fulfillment and if anything it's just outlined his character flaws, the way he bristled at Snow's 'Stalinesque' description amused me. I kind of wanted something more in depth and greater insight into the man but I'm not sure if this is it, he talks more like a politician these days which is peculiar because he's not doing anything. I wanted all no holds barred Fergie, I think the media might have ruined the book for me, it's the little things but the things I wanted him to address he hasn't. That said I agree with him on Gerrard, a really excellent player but not top, top for me. That said all this talk about box-to-box midfielders is upsetting me.
 
It's not an ABU point, it's just the way of the world - you quit and no one gives a feck any more (not unhealthy by the way).
 
peterstorey said:
It's not an ABU point, it's just the way of the world - you quit and no one gives a feck any more (not unhealthy by the way).
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"When it's over, it's over. Pull down the shutters and go home." So said Le Carre's famous spy, George Smiley. Trouble is, his character didn't abide by his own dictum. When the likes of you and me call it a day, nobody will give a toss, except maybe those close to us, but Fergie has been at centre stage in the English game for over a quarter of a century. No chance he'll go quietly into the sunset.
 
Doesn't really matter if you're a legend in your own lunchtime or on a bigger stage - once you've gone no one gives a feck - seen it so many times, seen it myself.
 
Did he really need to write this book? It's just making him look bitter. Lashing out at his own players that helped him win trophies is just beyond belief. He left the game as an immense figure and now everything is going to be dissected to make him look bad. I understand his bitterness towards LFC, but going after players is just wrong. I'm afraid he will not be remembered as just a great mgr, but will now also be remembered for this book and all the negativity he has brought out in it.
Sad to see
 
njred said:
Did he really need to write this book? It's just making him look bitter. Lashing out at his own players that helped him win trophies is just beyond belief. He left the game as an immense figure and now everything is going to be dissected to make him look bad. I understand his bitterness towards LFC, but going after players is just wrong. I'm afraid he will not be remembered as just a great mgr, but will now also be remembered for this book and all the negativity he has brought out in it.
Sad to see
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It takes more than a book to tarnish the history he's created. He'd have to do a Jimmy Savile
 
I completely disagree with SAF with regards to Gerrard. He really has been a top class player and contrary to what some say, I think had he played for a top side his reputation would only be more enhanced. If we really had gone for him following Keane's exit - not that it was ever likely - I'm pretty sure SAF would have been talking about how we had signed a world class player. The Lampard critique I get, but Gerrard, much as he's annoyed me over the years, was a great player.
 
I don't get why people get annoyed at what anyone writes in a book. It's meant to be truthful and based on the person's genuine opinions and thoughts, without which the book becomes pretty much pointless. I'm not buying it to read things I already know, and it's not as if he's put these opinions forward as insults either - people just look for reasons to be offended.
 
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