Brentan Rodgers
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I'm betting that the people who own the club have given their blessing to Rodgers dissing the Europa League. I'm also betting that our sponsors would quite happily do without the Channel 5 'exposure' in the aforementioned competition if it meant there'd be a possibility of getting a lot more in the CL in a year or so's time.
It's sad that some clubs prioritise 'not winning silverware' as some sort of justification for aiming at bigger & better priorities, be it winning league titles or European cups. Or qualification for the Champions League. We've even seen relegation threatened sides field weakened teams in domestic cup competitions. & let's not forget, we've also seen a club pull out of the FA Cup because they felt they had bigger fish to fry.
Where has he said it's not? Have you read the article, he even says in it "Don’t get me wrong, we enjoyed it and we were disappointed when we came out of it" so clearly he rates the competition. It seems his point is more to do with fatigue as it starts so early meaning players will have a long season which could affect a push for Europe again next season if that's what they're going for.
I think he's just said what any manager would say really, you want to get there on merit, I remember City did it through fair play or something like that and everyone kind of took the piss, also by February the team was knackered. If you qualify through the league you've got the extra months break.
It's probably just a motivation tool for Rodgers as well, he's trying to get his team higher up the league. I don't really like him but don't think he's said anything wrong here.
Good post. Nothing wrong at all with what he said. Why others are twisting the words we can only guess.
I feel the opposite way. I've rarely seen a manager in England so obviously playing up to the cameras.
Depends on how you look at it. He may have his reasons for not wanting Liverpool to play in the Europa League so early as to fully concentrate on the domestic front, nothing wrong with that. And of course every manager would want to qualify on merit. However the part where he says doesn't mind getting a few red or yellow cards to avoid it is just out of order.
His comments undermine other teams who have qualified this way, such as Fulham etc. So these teams who play in the Europa League thru the fair play have no pride? Should they all pick up bookings and red cards to avoid it cos of the "pride thing"? He should have just kept his mouth shut and dealt with it in whatever way he wanted.
Obviously it's a good post for you
Hmm...
To be honest it's hard to say whether his comment was serious, I'd imagine he said it as a joke, hence the exclamation mark at the end of it, seems like it would be sarcastic and not aggressive or anything like that.
I don't think he is undermining other teams at all, I think he is more saying that it is a far better achievement to actually earn your spot the correct way rather than get in to Europe by default. I reckon if they did get in it by the Fair play stuff half the people who are slating him for saying what he's said would be the same ones taking the piss of Liverpool for not "earning their spot" so why can't he say it?
People are going way overboard with reaction to this. It just does seem purely a motivational tool, look through the article. He says a) He thinks it's a good competition, b) He wants his team to achieve the spot by success and not default and c) It doesn't even seem like they will get in it on the fair play league. I don't see how challenging your team to do well is such a big deal. These comments aren't that much different to when we won the league and Fergie saying he wants us to get the points record, it's motivation for when a season is closing out. Rodgers probably knows his team won't get Europe through the league now but it is possible and you might as well set a realistic challenge.
Also in fairness that "prestigious tour" quote was something The Mirror added, not Rodgers and it probably is quite "prestigious" in the sense where they will get a lot of exposure and money from it.
Yep, true enough.
Besides, Ian Ayre said last season that cup competitions weren't that important (or words to that effect).
I agree. Brenton is a spoofer, but nothing wrong with what he said there.
Well yea lol it's Brenton Rodgers and Liverpool so you can never be sure if his comments can be taken seriously or not, especially since the time when he hinted he was eyeing 2nd place in the league!
Going overboard with reaction to his comments, isn't that what this thread is for?
But seriously I don't know what motivation tools he's trying to use. I think Liverpool fans with be split 50-50 if they really do qualify for the Europa League (Quite unlikely though). Many will argue their club should never back down from any challenge while some will agree with Brenton to just focus on the league. Will backfire on him if he doesn't deliver come end of next seasonFor any big club it's a tin pot competition and for any lesser club it's a strain on the squad. It just goes on for far too long and it feels utterly pointless.
It's Uefa's fault. They really should have made the Europa league more exclusive and exciting. The winner of the Europa League should be given a CL spot and no places in the Europa league for CL dropouts.
Well yea lol it's Brenton Rodgers and Liverpool so you can never be sure if his comments can be taken seriously or not, especially since the time when he hinted he was eyeing 2nd place in the league!
Going overboard with reaction to his comments, isn't that what this thread is for?
I agree Rodgers is a bit of an idiot, that Being Liverpool showed that perfectly, he is basically a rent a quote who seems to have read a management handbook rather than actually learn how to do it, but I don't even think he'd want players to be sent off on purpose!
I think the motivation is they have nothing to play for really and he probably knows it, so the team may not be 100% up for it and probably just want the endo f the season. If you set them a target it at least spurs them on. It will happen everywhere, they are professionals and in your job if you have no motivation you don't work as hard. Most managers will do it, Allardyce is probably pushing for a top 10 etc, it just keeps people going for a few weeks. I'm sure realistically Rodgers knows he isn't going to overtake Everton but you might as well try.
I can't understand why Liverpool would not send their reserve players to qualify for Europa League in those qualifying rounds. If they do it, then good and start first team players when Europa League starts (in September right?). If not, then they anyway weren't that interested for it, and those young players got some experience. Although chances are very high that even reserve players would be good enough to qualify for that.
It is probably irrelevant anyway as we won't qualify, but there is very much a mixed feeling about it.
Yes you can use young players if you are playing in it, but maybe concentrate (cough....cough) on the league position if you are not.
Whether no european football at all will hamper the clubs transfer dealings is also debatable.
Please post more, mate. I love that Evra gif
I've actually franchised it out as a screensaver for parents who want to keep their kids off the computer
Struggling to see what he says wrong. The Europa is a hinderance. Especially with the "fair play" qualification. It means the season starts in mid July.
It's a ridiculous and over bloated competition.
If United were in the same position, I'd be sort of hoping we didn't qualify either.
It's a ridiculous and over bloated competition.
If United were in the same position, I'd be sort of hoping we didn't qualify either.
Same here. Liverpool really don't need all those extra fixtures when they are trying to get back into the CL. The only problem is him coming out and saying it publicly. Might cause himself a few issues if Liverpool's discipline drops significantly.
They'll be bringing several of their Reserves for their tour. For example, given they have so few strikers in their first-team, it's not inconceivable they'll bring many strikers along.
So the squad that goes to Europe might be very weak - weaker than we think. Toss in the possibility of a lot of travelling, a dodgy pitch, playing kids against adults - it's not really a game for kids. I wouldn't fancy fielding our Under-18s and a few reserves against Brutal FC in some far-flung country.
Obviously, the youth team also has a pre-season training schedule, and you might not want to ruin that one, either.
I suppose Liverpool could cup-tie a few players they would want to get rid off, like Carroll, and use Europe as a shopping window, because other sides in Europe are unlikely to want him, though.
Fair play to the lad, really, I'm sure Europe is grateful.
If only he could run a plan to remove them from the English system too, then no one would have to put up with the feckers.
If only he could run a plan to remove them from the English system too, then no one would have to put up with the feckers.
Indeed, he hasn't said anything wrong at all.
To be honest it's still a trophy and there aren't that many to go for, but yes makes the season start really early.
He's said what any fan would want to hear.
Because in all honesty and the absolute ludicrousness of the entire proposition, why would any fecking manager in Europe not want to play in a European competition at all?
Players and staff need to harden the feck up and suck up a few extra games a season in butt feckedy nowhere because how are they going to handle it when they get to the latter stages of the big cheese in the future? If they want to be in the top tier again they need to get their head down and work for it. Whatever the case.
I get the whole 'scripted response' aspect because he is a complete charlatan of a manager but I'd be saying "you know what, whatever way we get there we'd be excited by the privilege to test ourselves against any European opposition at any time because to be the best you have to beat what is in front of you.." Don't you think deep down that is really how he and Liverpool feel?
defender of scouse virtue in 'you know what guyz good post and I agree totally that this is wrong' shocker. you utter knobhead.analysis of remarks like this is what makes the world of football turn love it!
in the grand scheme of things, BR has worked with/under some of the biggest names in the game and from that has formed his own idea of how to approach squad management.
along the way he may have coupled that with some 'out there' methodologies and some remarkable statements, but overall i think he's a better student of the game and managerial hopeful than most give him credit for.
love it!in the grand scheme of things, BR has worked with/under some of the biggest names in the game and from that has formed his own idea of how to approach squad management.
along the way he may have coupled that with some 'out there' methodologies and some remarkable statements, but overall i think he's a better student of the game and managerial hopeful than most give him credit for.
Maybe if his shitty team started playing in July, they might be half decent come the start of the domestic season?
Oh I'm sorry, I totally forgot.
United were bullied & blackmailed by those nasty people at the FA. Sacrifice the FA Cup to help England's bid for the 2006 World Cup.
Yeah right !!!
I'm sure Martin Edwards saw £££££ signs in front of his eyes at the potential prospect of Old Trafford being used for some of the key games in the World Cup. Not to mention the chance to give United worldwide exposure in the World Club Championship, whilst being unhindered by competing in a domestic competition back home.
You might have been daft enough to swallow all the bullshit & hand-wringing spewed out from your club. But don't judge the rest of us on your idiotic, blinkered misconceptions.
Manchester United do what's best for Manchester United.
Yep, uncannily similar to acting, his demeanour.
We learned from Liverpool in the 70/80s. First club to have a shirt sponsor, first club to tour asia, supported the removal of shared gates for league games etc. We just done it better in the end.
I wouldn't disagree with any of that mate. But I'll argue the toss with any United fan who believes that Manchester United were not acting in their own best interests when they 'chose' not to enter the 1999/2000 FA Cup.
We didn't choose.
analysis of remarks like this is what makes the world of football turn
in the grand scheme of things, BR has worked with/under some of the biggest names in the game and from that has formed his own idea of how to approach squad management.
along the way he may have coupled that with some 'out there' methodologies and some remarkable statements, but overall i think he's a better student of the game and managerial hopeful than most give him credit for.
Some of what he says I don't agree with, but to think the last few pages have been devoted to what are essentially just straight forward comments on a european competition is crazy.
Don't all clubs? Would Liverpool have done different had they been good enough?
And you would lose that arguement.
It's pretty well known that the FA wanted us to enter that Brazilian tournament so as not to piss off FIFA and upset the 06 bid.
The "United devalued the cup" argument is absolute hogwash.
The "United devalued the cup" argument is absolute hogwash.
Meh, if that's the best Uniteds rivals can throw at the club then it's pretty weak. Got to laugh when it's Liverpool fans taking the high moral ground on anything though.
The dickhead looks like he's about to sink his teeth into Moyes....maybe that's where Suarez got the idea from.
Comparing it to Liverpool who might not even get a Europa place then wanting to throw it away is well, just like your name. United withdrew from the FA Cup in 2000 in an effort to help the FA & England’s bid to host the 2006 World Cup. SAF didn't want to throw in a total bunch of reserves as he felt it would devalue the Cup. He did later admit it was a wrong move though.
The Europa League on the other hand is a competition that is entered through merit and not automatically like the FA Cup. They are 2 totally different competitions. While you may not like the idea of fair play entrants it is just a reward for teams across Europe who have behaved the best. Brenton says his asian tour would clash with the early stages of the Europa, now how is that the same thing with United's 2000 FA Cup?
Anyway he appears to have changed his mind claiming his last comments were a joke
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/205461.html
I actually liked him when he was at Swansea. Liked how his club was run and liked the way his team were playing. He was certainly improved the way Liverpool have played and tried to implement the same system. Its slowing working, as in there are more passes along the ground and they dont give away possession like before. But still a long way to go for him.
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