So basically no real reason not to like him other than he went to Liverpool. A bit of a longwinded post.
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So basically no real reason not to like him other than he went to Liverpool. A bit of a longwinded post.
Alastair, you're obviously drunk tonight. Post tomorrow when you've read back here.
The same fans that were callin him the Welsh Xavi after a few games. He'll come good, looked promising for Swansea and in the Olympics.
Liverpool havnt the pulling power they once had so I think signings like Sturridge and Coutinho could be shrewd business, players with much more potential than the dross they were signing previously under Dalglish.
We'll discuss this again at the end of next season when he'll have fewer than 10 league goals. I will give £20 to the Caf if he has more.
I will give £20 to the Caf if he has more.
That's the most sense you've made tonight. By implication it means you're willing to give him a pre-season with his NEW teammates and NEW manager in a NEW city. Well done Alastair.
I admit it's a big step up from Dalglish(clearly, not hard).
I really don't see it with Allen. The most worrying thing for me would be that as soon as he's played against good sides, he's looked out of his depth. Tidy with the ball but struggles to get it back and dictate. No coincidence that Rodgers has lost a bit of faith. You'd want a lot more for your £15m.
I respect your view on Sturridge and Coutinho - not convinced by either personally but we'll see.
One, City were shite when he left and he chose to leave at the end of his contract.
It's Liverpool, not Timbuktu.
think Rogers may turn out to be a decent manager....He has stated his philosophy is not just buying in big name players...now that may be because of limitation of funds. But if he plans on mixing in youth with one or two intelligent signings, then Liverpool may challenge again.
His biggest problem is the expectation of fans. But if he does not fall into the trap of just trying to please them in the short term, he will get there.
His biggest problem is the expectation of fans. But if he does not fall into the trap of just trying to please them in the short term, he will get there.
Exactly Red Dreams. Unfortunately from what I'm reading among Liverpool fans they don't think he's a good enough manager as they're not seeing the CL trophy or the Premiership landing on their desks this May. Sad but true.
I personally think his 'philosophy' is something we should have adopted much sooner.
I personally think his 'philosophy' is something we should have adopted much sooner.
I'm a Chelsea fan I actually agree with Alistair. There's times when he looks incredible and he clearly has a high level of talent. I just don't think he will ever consistently be able to perform at it. All in all he just adds up to an incredibly frustrating player to have in your team. I can't help but think if there was ever a chance of him being as good all the time then either City or ourselves would have kept him.
It's not just their expectation, it's their inability to acknowledge that they aren't a top club anymore. Of their first choice 11, which of them would realistically make it into any of the top 4 or 5 teams starting line-up? Suarez is one, Gerrard & Reina from 2 seasons ago would have, but any others?
On Sturridge. Think he is a very talented player.....not intelligent though.
lots of coaching needed. think if they use him effectively, he may prove a pretty useful player.
lots of coaching needed. think if they use him effectively, he may prove a pretty useful player.
realistically though...do you see anyone other than United, City or Chelsea winning the title?
Its money. Been following the game for yonks...even when Liverpool were winning all those titles, you felt a number of clubs could win it...as clubs like Everton and Villa did in those days.....now you just know the ones with the most money are the favourites. Personally I have long ago accepted the United I grew up following is not really there. Its not the same. One day some rich feck will end up owning us and wipe out the debt...and in its place will be a plaything....or a brand or what have you.
I don't know if you or the older fans who have followed Liverpool will think that is a fair trade for a title.
Ye Gods, I hope not. I feel the same way about the 'old' United though. I tend to look back through rose-tinted specs but there was just something special about Old Trafford then, even when we weren't winning anything bar the odd FA Cup. Even in the 2nd Division, there was a buzz about the place that isn't there any more. And everytime we announce a new 'commercial partner' for something or other, I cringe just a little bit more.
I feel for Rodgers, because he's stuck between a rock and hard place with Suarez. Even if he knows what Suarez did was wrong, he has to be careful with how he deals with him, because Liverpool will be hard pressed to get a player of Suarez's caliber to replace him. While I applaud Liverpool fans for being honest about the situation, I doubt they'd be as supportive to Rodgers if Liverpool were to finish 10th, which is very possible if Suarez were to leave.
While I wouldn't suggest donning T-Shirts, I do think it would be wise of Rodgers to stick by Suarez on this one.
While I wouldn't suggest donning T-Shirts, I do think it would be wise of Rodgers to stick by Suarez on this one.
doing the right thing is not always popular. The club has been tarnished. How Rogers handles this will be a big clue to what path he takes Liverpool in.
Average is the word. Greedy is another. Don't let someone who supports Liverpool try and shape your opinions. Of course he's going to disagree.
Rogers handled himself well there. It's like everyone here is looking at a TV screen in delight waiting for him to feck up. Honestly there is no sinking lower than the Racism thing and I bet all of them are now clued in on how to not colossally feck something up in front of the media.
Still a twuppet though.
Allen was completely the wrong buy. It was a position that already had good depth and complements to his style.
Coutinho is for me just way to light and way to small. Much like Sterling he hit the ground well, and enjoyed a good spell but now people just lean on them and barge them out of a game. Coutinho still can be decent because I think he has a genuinely solid element of finishing to his game. But even he has missed a few easy chances to drop points.
Sturridge to the fore will be probably the best move when Suarez leaves. Unfortunately for me he plays way to left when he is up front which results in him drifting wide and penetrating diagonally across the face of goal and not passing. When he's pushed wide of goal he holds the ball way to long and will 8/10 go for a narrow and very low percentage glory shot instead of trying to open the play back up which for me is a detriment to the Rogers 'system'.
Jury is still out but I totally agree with your sentiments they are unusual signings for what he has and what he is trying to do. I would not be surprised to see Coutinho have a second season syndrome as well as Sterling.
Al, you've got to think of it from this perspective. They can't attract top top talent due to lack of CL football. When you take that into consideration, Sturridge and Coutinho are excellent signings. They've both done well since signing and weren't picked up for that much when you consider the state of the modern transfer market.
Next season they'll have Sturridge and Coutinho from the beginning of the season, Lucas back, the liability that is Carra gone and had another year of what Rodgers wants done and be more prepared for the next season. Add in a few decent summer signings. Honestly, Rogers hadn't done badly. Had some great results this season, just need more consistency against the lower teams.
I don't know how he can, at the end of the day it's completely obvious to anyone what's happened. There's literally no defending it and that's why Liverpool have had to carry out a massive PR exercise with all the Tweets, statements and interviews because they know there is no defending it.
I'd expect him to not constantly talk about it but I'd be surprised if he questioned any ban because they know how bad it is. His interview yesterday was spot on to be fair to him, he had to speak to the board first. The guy who asked to show him the footage in the press conference was an idiot, he had obviously seen it but just didn't want to comment. It makes you appreciate how much power the likes of Fergie and Mourinho have though as I doubt any journalist would dare to do that to one of them in a post match conference.
Seriously? Consistency against the lower teams?
Didn't they go 4 or 5 months this season without beating any team from the top eight?
Draws with City home and away which they should have won both games tbh. Draw with Chelsea home and away, Win against Spurs at home, they'll beat Everton at home aswell (they always do) and a draw away wasn't a terrible result (remember we lost there).
It's stuff like Drawing with Newcastle at home, Losing to Villa at Home, Draws with West Ham and Stoke at home. Draws against Reading and Sunderland away.
They can convert some of those results next season and they'll be much better placed to have a crack at 4th.
They outplayed City Home and Away this season, If I remember rightly we were quite lucky to get the win at Anfield.
They've always been capable of good results against big teams. Their results against the top four this season are par for the course. Slightly worse, if anything.
Last season, under Dalglish, they took 12 points from playing Arsenal, Spurs, City and United, home and away. This season they've got 8 points from the same fixtures.
Going back a few years, I'd say that trend continues. For some reason, they've always been capable of upping their game against the big teams. This season, it's their record against the lower placed teams that has been better than usual.
True I suppose but if Liverpool hadn't had those individual feck ups (moment on insanity from Reina) they'd be one 12 points as well (on the other hand I suppose you could say that about every team in certain games, every season).
I just generally think their football if not the results, has been much better against the top teams this season. They actually look a threat, capable of scoring well crafted goals, while last season it felt like it was just lucky tap in's / re-bounds and showed no real threat most the game.
The actual number of goals they have scored all season with more than four passes in the build up is less than around 5.
Agree with all that. Obviously, you can't say for certain, but I sense you're right with the second season syndrome for Coutinho. He doesn't seem the type you can rely on.
I don't really see what great results Liverpool have had this season, to be fair. 1 from 6 v Arsenal, 2 from 6 v City(not bad), 1 from 6 v United, 3 from 6 v Spurs.
Those are the sides above them, excluding Everton who they've played only once so far and drawn. These don't strike me as particularly good results. All the sides below them, well, you'd expect them to win the majority.
In terms of the transfer market, I appreciate it's difficult, but what they're doing is spending big money on punts. Coutinho isn't necessarily a bad signing but for £15m it's going to be a big hit if it doesn't pay off. Same with Sturridge. Same with Allen.
If you're going to go with young talent, you have to try to do an early day Wenger where you pick up talented players for a couple of million and get them into the first team squad. Clearly, that's harder to do these days than ever before, but that has to be the line of thinking. £40m on 3 punts doesn't seem to me as sensible transfer policy.
"Less than around 5"
Why didn't you go the usual route people take and choose a believably not round number like "6" or "13"?
"Unacceptable"
Sure, Brenton. And what are you going to do about this behaviour which you find unacceptable? Other than accept it, I mean?
Sure, Brenton. And what are you going to do about this behaviour which you find unacceptable? Other than accept it, I mean?
Its a Monday morning. Actually I am wrong-its only against top ten teams . (Should have waited to check it out first
). Anyway the actually stat was as follows So that was against top ten teams. Since the man city game they have played West Brom(no goals) Swansea (5 goals),Spurs(3 goals),West Ham(0 goals), Chelsea(2 goals)
So since the man City match they have scored goals with more than 4 passes(against top ten teams) against Swansea-1 goal Spurs-1 goal and 2 goals against Chelsea yesterday.
So thats five goals against the top ten.
Some will see this view as nostalgic. I feel it's just plain reality. We've been a brand ever since Sky came in.
AVB seemed to rate him.
What does this even mean?
£15m?
AVB insists on playing Adabayour (sp) even though it's patently obvious he's shit. I wouldn't use him as a baseline of wisdom when it comes to judging strikers.
Apologies - Coutinho was £8m. I don't know why I got it into my head that it was more. In that case, it's not as bad.
He's shown flashes of being a good buy, at only 20, 5 goals and assists in 8 premier league starts is a decent start. Needs to keep the ball better though.
Is it any wonder Rodgers has been so spineless in his comments regarding the Suarez debacle? If truth be told, Luis Suarez will play a huge role in determining whether Rodgers is a success at Anfield or not, and Rodgers himself knows this.
I cannot imagine Rodgers even raising his voice to Suarez for fear of him wanting to feck off. Take Suarez out of that Liverpool side and they are genuinely a mid-table club. With him in it, they have a fighting chance of European qualification. Rodgers may be a bullshitter, but he's no fool.
I cannot imagine Rodgers even raising his voice to Suarez for fear of him wanting to feck off. Take Suarez out of that Liverpool side and they are genuinely a mid-table club. With him in it, they have a fighting chance of European qualification. Rodgers may be a bullshitter, but he's no fool.
Its all about who they could replace him with. If they sold Suarez they'd have to take another punt on a player with a good record in the Netherlands or something like that. Good goalscorers in the premier league, la liga and bundasliga will probably be aiming a lot higher than Liverpool
In what way?
He hasn't been strong in his condemnation of the incident at all, Johnny. It's all bluster (what's new with Rodgers, eh?) and no conviction. Suarez holds all the aces here and Liverpool know it. They're afraid of their lives he'll jump ship in July as they are fecked without him. Imagine having to rely on Sturridge, Borini, Coutinho and Sterling for goals on a consistent basis? All can be fine players on their day, but Suarez is a cut above them and Liverpool's only true top-class player at present.
Rodgers knows he needs Suarez onside if he's to be a success at Liverpool.
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