The fact that you're not sure says it all tbh, let me assure it to you, Agger isn't a top defender at all.
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The fact that you're not sure says it all tbh, let me assure it to you, Agger isn't a top defender at all.
I actually heard that Martinez just followed on from Walt Whittaker.
What sort of system did Rodgers play at Watford/Reading?
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Bit behind the times really wasnt he!
Blasphemy! Anyway, the great *********** would surely use something more ancient, like stone and a chisel to plan his strategies...
Souza played a lot more defensive. Martinez and Rodgers played something similar though there were differences.
I'll have to go back and read his auto-biography. Maybe Fergie implied that the players were onto him and as a result, he changed his ways.
just saw on SSN that he still feels the vermin have a shot at fourth. 
actually i shouldn't use the houllier smiley as it is disrespectful to houllier to be associated with Brentan.
actually i shouldn't use the houllier smiley as it is disrespectful to houllier to be associated with Brentan.
Now that you bring up Houllier, it seems all Liverpool managers for the last 15 years have been reduced to imbeciles. Houllier started well but became a moron by the end. Same with Rafa. Hodgson, Dalglish were disasters from the start. And Rodgers doesnt seem to be doing any better.
Suggests something inherently wrong with the make up of that club. Makes them all deluded and paranoid fools.
Suggests something inherently wrong with the make up of that club. Makes them all deluded and paranoid fools.
If Rafa and Hodgson are imbeciles, why is one the current Chelsea manager and Hodgson England manager?
Kenny made a lot of mistakes, but still won us a trophy.
Sure Hodgson wasn't a success at LFC it didn't work out for him but that doesn't mean he is not a good coach. Rafa got caught up in the middle of all the ownership nonsense, and it was time for a change when he left. I don't consider either as a moron though.
You are right in that there needs to be some continuity, you can't keep changing managers all the time, but despite the criticism from many quarters on Brendan he needs time, SAF took a few seasons before getting any success, you could argue in this current day and age where managers get little time United could have looked to replace him, didn't and look what a good manager he turned out to be. Sure Brendan says some daft things but doesn't mean in the long term he cannot be a success.
I don't understand the last paragraph the word deluded is thrown around like confetti at a wedding but often with no substance to back it up. Not one fan I know is deluded. We know our failings.
It doesn't mean there aren't deluded Liverpool (just like any other football club tbh) supporters out there
Correct, but that doesn't mean we all are. Everyone I know is honest and realistic.
So have you decided that Rodgers "near perfect away performance" quote actually exists? Are are you still in denial about that
Cause the FA and Roman are bigger imbeciles?
The league cup. The mickey mouse trophy. The worthless cup. Call it what it is. Stop saying one trophy like people will confuse it for something actually meaningful.
Agreed both should have been given more time but both had terrible results on the pitch that contributed to their downfall.
He had already proven himself as a manager at Aberdeen and was thus given the time and support from the owners.
Where was I in denial?
All I said was "Has anyone actually seen the interview and witnessed him saying it?"
Purely because I hadn't and having only read the comments on our official site.
For what it's worth I have since seen it, so yes he did say it, and yes he was wrong.
My comment yesterday refers "oh well, he is wrong"
So when United last won the "worthless cup" you didn't sell all your tickets as it would be a pointless exercise or celebrate when you won it?
It's the least important trophy by a long way I agree, but better to win it than win nothing.
It cannot be compared to the League or the Champions League but given the limited number of competitions available to win it is more important for clubs who realistically have no chance of winning those.
Maybe if you had asked me in 2005 about it's importance I would have answered differently, but a Wembley final is still for me worth something.
Fair enough, but times have changed, managers as you know don't get anything like the time SAF did. Also the constant TV and media pressure is intense now compared to back then.
Brendan needs time and backing from the owners who appointed him, he has made mistakes tactically, team selection and some of his comments have been slightly cringeworthy but he isn't the first manager to say daft things and won't be the last. Perhaps he is being slightly defensive, or trying to please the owners and fans a shade too much. At the end of the day irrespective of people's opinion on him he needs a couple of seasons and given a fair chance.
Finishing 4th doesn't get you a trophy, but I bet you'd take that above the League cup....
Agreed but not getting top 4 in a season where you spent a lot and a season where Chelsea fecked up in the league negates the importance of winning the league cup.
Fair enough, I appreciate the importance of getting in the top 4, I am just saying for me a cup final at Wembley still has some value.
I agree with you.
And I don't regard the league cup as worthless. Its a cup. something every fan enjoys winning, I dwas certainly happy when we won it.
I'd even say not getting into the top 4 wasnt Kennys failure given the players you have, it would have been less of a miracle if he had fed the whole of anfield with a single loaf of bread and a scouse cake.
Kennys failure was Andy Carrol, Charlie Adam and the entire suarez affair.
Hes a moron because he appeared in a tv interview wearing that fecking T shirt.
I agree with you too on some of the points, I don't like talking about the Suarez affair, was it handled badly - yes, and Carroll is obviously much discussed too, bottom line is you can't waste that amount of money.
I can't bring myself to call Kenny a moron, but I know what you are saying. The T shirt issue was a stupid fiasco.
Johnny, I must say my hatred of Liverpool and their supporters has risen in recent years to the extent that I now seem to savour everything bad that happens to the club. A lot of that is down to the hysterical RAWKite faction of your support - you seem like a reasonable and clued up guy, what is your take on the sterotypical RAWK carry-on? Does a lot of it look as ridiculous to you as it does to an outsider? How has such a cultish mentality been able to develop?
None of the Liverpool fans that I know represent anything like the opinions Ive read on RAWK.
i agree I went to Anfield a few months ago for like the 5th time and most of them are a decent bunch just supporting their team.
My point wasn't that they are all bad managers.
My point was that the Liverpool job made them look like imbeciles. I was trying to point out the difficulty of the Liverpool job which turns reasonable men into blithering fools.
My brother is a moron of RAWK proportions. He actually went a little racist during the Suarez affair.
I don't post on RAWK, though I do on another LFC forum - which to be fair doesn't attract anything like the same number of members.
It's hard or kind of difficult, for me to openly attack or be critical of my own support as it were especially, with all due respect on here.
A good percentage of RAWK posters are living in the past, too busy thinking about the glory days rather than looking forward, with that comes a bitter & twisted element that leads to petty arguments amongst themselves because they cannot handle the fact we are not challenging for the major honours at this moment in time.
The problem, and it's good that it is being recognised by you and others, is that the delusional element of RAWK posters does not in anyway reflect your general LFC supporters attitude to football. I have been a season ticket holder for 25 years, I have been lucky to have witnessed so much success over that time, more than many fans of less successful teams could dream of seeing, pretty much every one I know is a straight forward enthusiastic football fan who loves the club and wants us to do well.
A lot of them have never even heard of RAWK.
Over time you get a sense of perspective, as every season goes by I yearn for some of that to return, however if it does not so be it , there is more important things in life. However, for some RAWK posters their obsession with getting the club back in the big time goes too far, they can't handle or cope with that fact United are so successful.
That said I read posts on there sometimes, and a lot of the guys talk sense, it's easily the biggest LFC forum so if there is an element of supporters living in the past it's more likely to be exaggerated on there than anywhere else.
To contradict that slightly you see far more Liverpool topics on here than you do United over there.
The rivalry runs deep, I guess as a fan base overall we aren't handling the fact we aren't that competitive at this present time , and if it is going to be reflected anywhere then it will be on RAWK.
The number of times I have read on here where we are called deluded, just doesn't reflect the truth at all. Of course I suppose with a club and a history like ours we do expect to be challenging for honours with the best teams in Europe. If you win the European Cup it feels good, so naturally you want to win it again.
Some people handle that lack of being able to do that better than others.
The others end up on RAWK, it's an outlet for their frustration.
Is RAWK a general reflection on what the average LFC fan is like - no.
Most I know don't post on any football forum, I suppose the internet is a vehicle for fans to vent their frustrations when things aren't going well, helpless to do anything about it they engage that frustration with the only people they can discuss them with, and as again RAWK is the biggest site it's where these discussions often take place, the bigger the forum the more exaggerated and commonplace crazy opinions can become.
There is a very defensive attitude on there, when you mention a cult like behaviour that stems from almost a clique type environment where newcomers aren't necessarily welcomed with open arms.
this is anfield? TLW? Koptalk?
I live on Merseyside, most of the people I know and almost all my friends (plus my brother) support Liverpool, and the majority of them are rawk-like. The Suarez affair showed how deep the DELUSION and utter contempt for United is, as only one single Liverpool fan I know said that Dalglish was out of order and had embarrassed the club. The vast majority peddled the same shite we saw on rawk, about negritos, your sister's cnut, xenophobia, Evra pulling his hand away, etc. A minority seemed embarrassed and kept quiet. To give you some idea, the rawk opinions were 89%, silent minority 10%, ashamed 1%. The ashamed contingent was actually less than 1%, since I know more than 100 Liverpool fans
Not to say you're wrong, Johnny, as even 1000 fans might not be an accurate representation of Liverpool fans, since there are millions. Maybe it can be explained by me being a 'manc' and them not wanting to lose face, but your mates can be a bit more candid when discussing the club with you? I dunno. Their opinions were shocking, though, and even watching the footy with them is like reading rawk, coz wishing injury on opposition players (especially United) is the norm.
Not to say you're wrong, Johnny, as even 1000 fans might not be an accurate representation of Liverpool fans, since there are millions. Maybe it can be explained by me being a 'manc' and them not wanting to lose face, but your mates can be a bit more candid when discussing the club with you? I dunno. Their opinions were shocking, though, and even watching the footy with them is like reading rawk, coz wishing injury on opposition players (especially United) is the norm.
That was an odd one. A lot of people let themselves down, tribalism at its worst.
To be totally honest, I think if Suarez had been our player and Evra theirs, the reactions on here and among United fans generally would have been similar. A bit less paranoid, maybe - though our lot can still be pretty damn paranoid when it comes to 'the London media', ABUs, DDG persecution etc. Cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias are powerful things, people would have found a way to justify Suarez's behaviour and would have assumed Evra and the club were lying.
The significant difference would have been how the club handled it. Fergie definitely has an us-against-the-world mindset, but he's not afraid to stand up to senior players, and he'd never have sanctioned anything like the T-shirts debacle; while the club in general, especially its lawyers, would never have come close to dealing with things as idiotically as LFC did, it was astounding.
The significant difference would have been how the club handled it. Fergie definitely has an us-against-the-world mindset, but he's not afraid to stand up to senior players, and he'd never have sanctioned anything like the T-shirts debacle; while the club in general, especially its lawyers, would never have come close to dealing with things as idiotically as LFC did, it was astounding.
I live on Merseyside, most of the people I know and almost all my friends (plus my brother) support Liverpool, and the majority of them are rawk-like. The Suarez affair showed how deep the DELUSION and utter contempt for United is, as only one single Liverpool fan I know said that Dalglish was out of order and had embarrassed the club. The vast majority peddled the same shite we saw on rawk, about negritos, your sister's cnut, xenophobia, Evra pulling his hand away, etc. A minority seemed embarrassed and kept quiet. To give you some idea, the rawk opinions were 89%, silent minority 10%, ashamed 1%. The ashamed contingent was actually less than 1%, since I know more than 100 Liverpool fans
Not to say you're wrong, Johnny, as even 1000 fans might not be an accurate representation of Liverpool fans, since there are millions. Maybe it can be explained by me being a 'manc' and them not wanting to lose face, but your mates can be a bit more candid when discussing the club with you? I dunno. Their opinions were shocking, though, and even watching the footy with them is like reading rawk, coz wishing injury on opposition players (especially United) is the norm.
None of the people I sit close at the match would ever have heard of RAWK and most were ashamed of the Suarez debacle.
Your stats are worrying though, you mixing with the wrong people?
Maybe the hatred is an obsession driven by intense rivalry? I am sure there are just as many United fans with contempt for Liverpool than vise versa.
On hindsight, agree with all of that.
Not so sure. It's natural, and understandable, for Liverpudlians to feel singled-out by 'the authorities' (whether it be the FA, governments, whatever) and the Suarez affair only underlined this. After Hillsborough, I fully understand why people would have that feeling, even if I don't agree with their views on Suarez's innnocence.
Really? As a neutral I disagree with that. I think that United fans, whilst obviously biased like any football fans, are generally more prepared to criticise their own players where they perceive wrongdoing than Liverpool fans.
I don't think that United fans would be so blind to Suarez's general cnutish antics and don't have that unique victimhood mentalty that a lot of Liverpool fans seem to have, which is exemplified by that Evra incident. The talk was of xenophobic conspiracies to hound our Luis out of the game, the FA in cahoots with Man United conspiring to stitch up poor Liverpool FC and Luis Suarez.
I speak as a Chelsea fan who was at Stamford Bridge when Drogba got booed by our fans when he was at the peak of his ridiculous theatrics, to let him know that wasn't acceptable to us. Liverpool fans would never do that to Suarez. I don't ever like to see us booing our own players but I was actually quite pleased we took a stand on that, cos he cut out much of that shit from his game after that and left the country actually as quite a popular player, rather than the pantomime villain that he was at the time.
the only thing I don't see United fans accepting is the race baiting which Suarez got up to. The club would never have tolerated it.
Its not just Fergie. The club is run professionally.
Its not just Fergie. The club is run professionally.
You think that Ferguson would have drummed out your star player based on a dispute of what did ultimately come down to one player's word against another?
You wouldn't get him conducting interviews in a t-shirt thats for sure.
No, I agree there.
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