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@Barney you have a fan down in the newbs

Ole Gunner Scholes said:
Hello,

Barney on Brentan Rdogers is talking absulte crap about Rojo & he does it all the time to downgrade our players :wenger:

I am a Newbie so can't post but plz do post this stat to show him ROjo is better than all of their CBs :lol:

Wins more tackles & interceptions than any of their CBS :lol:

Also the stats from Rojo's last game for us are. Ask him what did his defenders do? :lol:

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Stats are really starting to get on my nerves.
 
I think Rojo is slightly better than Lovren (who is incredibly overated due to half a good season at Saints, I'm sounding like a broken record with this but I'm amazed that anyone thinks he's a top PL defender), but I don't think he's anything special. Maybe he's a raw diamond, I don't know, but I don't see it myself. In any case, at this point I don't see him as a huge improvement on Lovren, he's also better than current Skrtel but he wouldn't be taking Skrtel's place but a left sided one, so he's in contention with Lovren.

Blind is miles better than what they have and would be incredibly handy in their team (and I think would fit perfectly with how Rodgers wants to play, he's always showing up to get the ball from defence and usher it forwards). Herrera would be a starter for them too and again I think Rodgers would appreciate his style of play a lot. Loves to manipulate the ball and can find some excellent incisive passing, and has some defensive nous. His price is irrelevent in the discussion though, he was an Athletic player and he was going to be bought by anyone for a penny less.
 
MDFC Manager said:
@Barney you have a fan down in the newbs
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1. The number of tackles and interceptions he wins is a pretty bad way to judge a defender. For instance, if you stick a defender in Bayern's system he'll probably tackle less than someone in Burnley's. Having watched him play this season, I've not been impressed. Of course he can still turn things around as he's coming to a bigger club in a new league, but uo until this point he has been bad.

2. I praise United players plenty. It's just that it's the criticisms that I make are the only thing that goes noticed. I've praised De Gea, Smalling, Rafael, Valencia, Young, Hernandez, Carrick, Shaw, Rooney, and so on many times in the past
 
Nice of Barney to say too early to judge 2014 signings for Liverpool yet claim the starting full back for World Cup finalists who's just back from injury as 'dog shit'
Lovren and Toure would be his competition...I'd pick Carrick over them
 
cyberman said:
Nice of Barney to say too early to judge 2014 signings for Liverpool yet claim the starting full back for World Cup finalists who's just back from injury as 'dog shit'
Lovren and Toure would be his competition...I'd pick Carrick over them
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Barney said:
Of course he can still turn things around as he's coming to a bigger club in a new league, but uo until this point he has been bad.
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Rotating of injury plagued defensive partners while changing formations from one week to the next yet I still can't think of a goal conceded that Rojo is blatantly in the wrong for. He may give the ball away in silly situations but that has little to do with his defensive ability and colours peoples opinion of him.
 
Barney said:
He wouldn't play agead of Gerrard or Henderson and Coutinho would probably be picked ahead of him too. Not a chance he would start for us.
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You're not serious, are you? Your midfield is one of the worst in the PL at the moment and yet you wouldn't have arguably our best central mdifielder? I think you're letting your bias get ahead of you but he's definitely better than the Gerrard we see these days and better than Henderson's ever been.
 
Herrera would start for Liverpool imo. Henderson has dipped this season and was one their worst players against Basel. And Allen is a nothing player.
 
sizzling sausages said:
Yep, he'd help your defence massively while still playing the way Rodgers likes. I feel Blind could do similar though.
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Blind would get into their team (if Rodgers was willing to let go of Gerrard a bit more) but I think Carrick's just that bit more polished and composed. I think his passing is better and more positive too.*

I think Carrick would be one of the first on the team sheet at Liverpool, but not Blind.

* In before somebody posts some stats showing that Blind has made more forward passes than Carrick.
Forward (even long passes) are not always positive, and Carrick played in the biggest games of the season, unlike Blind.
 
Speak said:
Blind would get into their team (if Rodgers was willing to let go of Gerrard a bit more) but I think Carrick's just that bit more polished and composed. I think his passing is better and more positive too.*

I think Carrick would be one of the first on the team sheet at Liverpool, but not Blind.

* In before somebody posts some stats showing that Blind has made more forward passes than Carrick.
Forward (even long passes) are not always positive, and Carrick played in the biggest games of the season, unlike Blind.
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Blind would get in ahead of Lucas in Rodgers' current system. Like I said before though, Rodgers would probably look at replacing him with a player similar to Carrick or Alonso.
 
Zoo said:
Herrera would start for Liverpool imo. Henderson has dipped this season and was one their worst players against Basel. And Allen is a nothing player.
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Eh? A lot of people think Henderson was our best player along with Sterling. Not saying much because it was a shambles of performance, but he wasn't anywhere near our worst.
 
Speak said:
Blind would get into their team (if Rodgers was willing to let go of Gerrard a bit more) but I think Carrick's just that bit more polished and composed. I think his passing is better and more positive too.*

I think Carrick would be one of the first on the team sheet at Liverpool, but not Blind.

* In before somebody posts some stats showing that Blind has made more forward passes than Carrick.
Forward (even long passes) are not always positive, and Carrick played in the biggest games of the season, unlike Blind.
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Yeah, I do think Carrick would be more suited to the style Rodgers wants to play than Blind would. I just think Blind would do a good enough job for them that he wouldn't need to it replaced like Barney is suggesting.
 
Ander Herrera probably would start but he's nowhere as good as (some) Man Utd fans seem to think. I agree with Barney that I'd never want my club to splash £30m on him (and yes, I'm aware my club is shite in the transfer market before that's mentioned in reply).
 
Bob Loblaw said:
Ander Herrera probably would start but he's nowhere as good as (some) Man Utd fans seem to think. I agree with Barney that I'd never want my club to splash £30m on him (and yes, I'm aware my club is shite in the transfer market before that's mentioned in reply).
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Kind of difficult to tell with him at the moment. He looks like he's got the ability to be an excellent player for us, although obviously it's hard to fully judge until he does consistently deliver.
 
Cheesy said:
Kind of difficult to tell with him at the moment. He looks like he's got the ability to be an excellent player for us, although obviously it's hard to fully judge until he does consistently deliver.
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I'm basing it more on his Athletic Club performances which were also really patchy - though a few people seem to disagree with me on that, which is fair enough.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
I'm basing it more on his Athletic Club performances which were also really patchy - though a few people seem to disagree with me on that, which is fair enough.
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Didn't see too much of him there, although I heard he was generally quite good. I get the impression though that he's definitely got some decent ability, but just needs to start consistently producing it. Hopefully though, that'll come with age. Hopefully.
 
Cheesy said:
Didn't see too much of him there, although I heard he was generally quite good. I get the impression though that he's definitely got some decent ability, but just needs to start consistently producing it. Hopefully though, that'll come with age. Hopefully.
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He is good, I just don't think he's £30m good but yeah he has plenty of time to put his game together.

Anyway, Rodgers...
 
Barney said:
Eh? A lot of people think Henderson was our best player along with Sterling. Not saying much because it was a shambles of performance, but he wasn't anywhere near our worst.
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Rodgers started him on the left to nullify their RB Xhaka but the Basel player was able to bomb on constantly and went close to scoring from one great run. With Enrique at LB, Basel were getting free reign down that flank. Granted it's not Henderson's best position but am surprised people think he was up there with Sterling as one of your best performers.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
He is good, I just don't think he's £30m good but yeah he has plenty of time to put his game together
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You have to overpay these days especially if you are dealing with Bilbao.

Rather overpay for a good player than pay 30 million for 2-3 average players (See LFC's transfer strategy for reference).
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
You have to overpay these days especially if you are dealing with Bilbao.

Rather overpay for a good player than pay 30 million for 2-3 average players (See LFC's transfer strategy for reference).
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We overpay for average players, transfer strategy doesn't get better than that.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
We overpay for average players, transfer strategy doesn't get better than that.
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Is there any truth to the rumor of Southampton players being forced upon Rodgers by the Fenway Sports transfer committee ?
 
Invictus said:
Is there any truth to the rumor of Southampton players being forced upon Rodgers by the Fenway Sports transfer committee ?
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I doubt it, Rodgers seemed really, really keen on the Southampton signings (Lallana and Lovren at least) - he spoke really glowingly about them which I don't think he'd have done if they were forced on him.

Who knows though, the committee means there's a lack of clear accountability.
 
Do you think Rodgers regrets the stuff he said about Tottenham and Southampton in the Summer? Especially the stuff about Tottenham.

It makes him look even worse.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
I doubt it, Rodgers seemed really, really keen on the Southampton signings (Lallana and Lovren at least) - he spoke really glowingly about them which I don't think he'd have done if they were forced on him.

Who knows though, the committee means there's a lack of clear accountability.
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Umm that still leaves me in a quandary but thanks anyway ! :)

Yeah, maybe Rodgers was of the mindset that he could elevate their performances to a higher level, and I wouldn't necessarily blame him given his recent record with the likes of Sturridge and especially Henderson. I think given the success of your British core from last season, he wanted to bring in more mostly young-ish, hungry players into the team who understood Liverpool's traditions and would stick by the club for a long time. Unfortunately for you, it doesn't seem to be working right now though..

Djemba-Djemba said:
Do you think Rodgers regrets the stuff he said about Tottenham and Southampton in the Summer? Especially the stuff about Tottenham.

It makes him look even worse.
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He must really regret it in hindsight, spoke too soon. Might sound cliched but the tables can be turned rather quickly in football. To be fair that type of arrogant and crass commentary would look bang out of or order even coming out of more experienced and successful managers. The fact that last season was perhaps Rodger's first among the elite makes it even worse.
 
there was an interesting point on a football weekly a couple of weeks back about rodgers.
I cant remember the journo but essentially they claimed last season as an anomaly in rodgers tactics and something they felt he stumbled upon given suarez and sturridges' blossoming partnership.
they put forward that all of BRs previous teams, including liverpool the previous year, had played a patient possession based game and that the high energy blitz of 13/14 was not necessarily his doing but rather a pleasant accident he simply persevered with. now that he's lost the fulcrum of that system he's trying to revert back to his old style but the teams caught somewhere in between.

whilst this point is perhaps a little harsh on BR, by essentially stripping any credit from him for last years title tilt, i do think there's something in it with regards to it being not his first choice approach. early pool, swansea and watford were all very similar in their games under rodgers and it was nothing like the pool we saw last season.
pool fans of course wanted to paint him as a tactical genius for the change in approach but given that he has been unable to sustain it without suarez and especially given that he's buying players that don't suit that system i'm not so sure last season was completely intentional
 
Barney said:
The player from your midfield that I think Rodgers would love is Carrick.
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He's bloomin' welcome to him. I though I was watching the creatures from Jason and the Argonauts the other day, but it was Carrick trying to turn around.
 
I've never been much of a Carrick fan, tbh. But it's not as if I claim to know much about football, so feel free to ignore my opinion.
 
SteveJ said:
I've never been much of a Carrick fan, tbh. But it's not as if I claim to know much about football, so feel free to ignore my opinion.
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We all value your opinion and quick wit, but now I'll probably never read your posts again!!! ;)
 
:(

This must be the first time a @SteveJ post upsets me instead of making me laugh or nod agreeably.
 
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