Brentan Rodgers

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Hectic said:
Summer 2013
Luis Alberto, £6.8m, Sevilla Former Barcelona starlet made only nine senior appearances before joining Málaga on loan in summer Miss
Iago Aspas, £7.2m, Celta Vigo Delivered a dreadful corner against Chelsea last season. And that was it Miss
Simon Mignolet, £9m, Sunderland Started confidently at Anfield but failure to command his area has spread unease among defence Miss
Kolo Touré, free, Manchester City Experience was needed after Jamie Carragher’s retirement but Ivorian has faded rapidly after a promising opening Miss
Tiago Ilori, £7m, Sporting Lisbon Only 21 and not featured for Liverpool yet. Loaned to Granada last season, Bordeaux this Undecided
Aly Cissokho, loan, Valencia One to forget. His best appearance at Anfield came with Aston Villa this season Miss
Mamadou Sakho, £19m, PSG Rodgers does not appear convinced by the second most expensive defender in Liverpool’s history Miss
Victor Moses, loan, Chelsea Complained about a lack of playing time but never seized the opportunity when it came Miss

Hit and miss: Liverpool signings under Brendan Rodgers
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Summer 2013 - that is absolutely shocking. So much money spent on dross. We got more value out of Bebe than a few of those. What makes it interesting is, they got 2nd despite Brentan's signings. Spending that money a little better could have secured them the title.

Summer 2014 also looks pretty bad at the moment, but I'll reserve judgement.
 
Flying_Hellfish said:
Summer 2013 - that is absolutely shocking. So much money spent on dross. We got more value out of Bebe than a few of those. What makes it interesting is, they got 2nd despite Brentan's signings. Spending that money a little better could have secured them the title.

Summer 2014 also looks pretty bad at the moment, but I'll reserve judgement.
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The only mitigating factor for the 2014 summer transfers so far is 'give them more time'. Which isn't great 4 months into the season.

Summer of '13 was shocking though. That amounts to almost £50M spent on really poor buys.
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
The only mitigating factor for the 2014 summer transfers so far is 'give them more time'. Which isn't great 4 months into the season.
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Definitely agree, he selected these players and so far they haven't fit in at all really. Basically he needs to change his system to better fit the players he bought, let's see if he can do it.

Alternative is to spend a big sum on a striker more suited to last season's style in Jan, and sack off the players from Summer who don't fit. This would be more in keeping with Brentan's "high-churn" policy so far
 
How Balotelli can be 'undecided' I don't know...... a 'miss' if ever there was one.
Think Marcovic might turn out to be OK in the end - he looks to have something and maybe just needs a bit of time to bed in.
 
I don't buy into any of this give them time etc lark. Rodgers signing on the whole have been woeful. Its like he follows whoever twitter hipster journalists are claiming to be decent players and signing them without any real thought . As a club when the Suarez deal was in place to leave it should have been purely on the basis Sanchez came in the opposite direction.

He talks a good game and they did well last season- but how a manager can replace Suarez with Balotelli and Lambert and then claim to have any sort of football nous is beyond a joke.

At Swansea there was no pressure so he could play the style he implemented without fear of reprocution. Yes it worked and they did well but it was treated like the second coming or something.

Liverpool bought into that.

I just think though as a whole as a club due to their past and last season they over expect. They have not moved with the times and this season it really has shown. We have been average at best and yet sit how many points above them?
 
Revan said:
Neville strikes again! It is amazing how unbelievably stupid he looks whe he goes into these full defenses for British players/managers.
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Maybe he's running his own keep Rodgers at pool campaign.
 
Werder Herzog said:
I don't buy into any of this give them time etc lark. Rodgers signing on the whole have been woeful. Its like he follows whoever twitter hipster journalists are claiming to be decent players and signing them without any real thought . As a club when the Suarez deal was in place to leave it should have been purely on the basis Sanchez came in the opposite direction.

He talks a good game and they did well last season- but how a manager can replace Suarez with Balotelli and Lambert and then claim to have any sort of football nous is beyond a joke.

At Swansea there was no pressure so he could play the style he implemented without fear of reprocution. Yes it worked and they did well but it was treated like the second coming or something.

Liverpool bought into that.

I just think though as a whole as a club due to their past and last season they over expect. They have not moved with the times and this season it really has shown. We have been average at best and yet sit how many points above them?
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That would depend on Suarez not being desperate to leave, and Sanchez wanting to go to Liverpool.
 
Antisocial said:
Where does G.Nev expect the money to come from? Are the Red Sox meant to hand Liverpool a blank cheque book or something? It's all very well saying £40m isn't enough to add to the Suarez money if you want to follow that argument, but his answer seems to be simply that "Rodgers should get more to spend" - how? I admit to not knowing anything about the state of Liverpool's accounts, but my guess is the reason they don't spend like the sugar daddy clubs, Real, Barca and now ourselves, is maybe because they don't have that much money to spend like that...?

Add to that the budgeting for turning Anfield into a significantly larger stadium than it is now (which again I'm guessing the club has to pay for) then I'm not seeing much insight here from Neville based on any sort of reality.



Are there any pundits in football that give any consideration to where money for spending-sprees actually comes from? Surely they have to be able to identify that things are different for clubs that earn their own money to invest? Are sugar daddy arrangements meant to be considered the norm now or something? Is it just assumed now that to be a elite European club, then the owner will pump in hundreds of millions of their own money every transfer window? Or would a Leeds-like scenario be better, just spend and spend and spend and hope it magically gets paid for?

There does seem to be widespread difficulty by many football pundits/commentators/hacks to identify the difference between clubs like us or Liverpool spending our earned money within the appropriate budget vs. a sugar daddy club, so I suppose anything on finance in football shouldn't surprise me any more, but reading that a club like Liverpool haven't given the manager enough money compared to sugar daddy clubs or much bigger clubs like Real, Barca and ourselves isn't even schoolboy stuff.
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What's equally concerning is that how a 'good' pundit like him is now saying spending money would have helped (which they did anyway).
 
Barney said:
We should have been cnuts about the Suarez deal and held out for the full buyout in that case.
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Even a supposedly content Suarez was a ticking timebomb. Imagine what he'd be like if he was being held against his will?
 
Bill.s.preston said:
Even a supposedly content Suarez was a ticking timebomb. Imagine what he'd be like if he was being held against his will?
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He was the summer before too.
It's also obvious now that the club knew he was going to leave months before so the fact that they didn't have a more extensive list of alternatives to Sanchez is pathetic and is abysmal planning.
 
Barney said:
He was the summer before too.
It's also obvious now that the club knew he was going to leave months before so the fact that they didn't have a more extensive list of alternatives to Sanchez is pathetic and is abysmal planning.
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I agree.
I just think it was unrealistic for werder herzog to expect Liverpool to hold out for Sanchez.

They should have tried to get a similar player to Suarez in terms of pace and pressing of opposition defenders. That way, the team could operate in a similar fashion, even if said player didn't carry the same goal threat. If they had to pay every cent of the Suarez money, it wouldn't have mattered in my opinion.

Instead, they've done a Spurs and frittered away their windfall on strengthening the squad to the detriment of the team.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
I agree.
I just think it was unrealistic for werder herzog to expect Liverpool to hold out for Sanchez.

They should have tried to get a similar player to Suarez in terms of pace and pressing of opposition defenders. That way, the team could operate in a similar fashion, even if said player didn't carry the same goal threat. If they had to pay every cent of the Suarez money, it wouldn't have mattered in my opinion.

Instead, they've done a Spurs and frittered away their windfall on strengthening the squad to the detriment of the team.
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Yep. I'm relatively happy with our transfer business, I'm just disappointed in how we recruited strikers. I don't think signing both Balotelli and Lambert made sense. Signing Lambert if we were keeping Suarez did, but the club knew we weren't so that was a poor transfer. It should have been Balotelli + Remy (or someone in that mould) even if it cost the club a bit extra.
 
I think Rodgers was right to spend the Suarez money bulking up the squad rather than bringing in one significant signing. Their squad was very thin going into a season playing Champions League football.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
I think Rodgers was right to spend the Suarez money bulking up the squad rather than bringing in one significant signing. Their squad was very thin going into a season playing Champions League football.
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Perhaps trying to add 3 players of higher quality, rather than a risky volatile character, a lump and various decent players would have suited better?

Perhaps things would have been different if Sturridge had stayed fit, but as a strike partner I can't see Balotelli or Lambert providing the energy that Suarez did alongside him. I don't know why he chose such different players?

If the idea was to change the style then it clearly isn't working. Even pointing to the Spurs game when Sturridge and Balotelli did well doesn't mean much to me, as Spurs have been poor for most of the season.
 
Very true. I still have some doubts that Balotelli was a Rodgers' signing to be honest. Anyway, if the season continues as it does I think he'll be gone in the summer, Liverpool cannot afford to fall into nothingness again.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
I think Rodgers was right to spend the Suarez money bulking up the squad rather than bringing in one significant signing. Their squad was very thin going into a season playing Champions League football.
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I'm not so sure. Even if the idea was right the application was very poor.

They needed quality to make any sort of statement in Europe and make another challenge for a top 4 spot. They'd have been much better off signing 3 quality upgrades for their squad than 7(?) players that stepped them sideways.

It would have been a sign of intent, a statement that they are now a Chanpions league club buying top bracket players.

All they did was buy midtable players for their squad. The secret to good squad building is buying better players than what you have, make your current players backup and push them for a place and use youngsters for fringe squad positions.


I think the harsh truth is that he went into the summer targeting top bracket players and soon hade a rude awakening that A. Liverpool can't afford them. B. Liverpool isn't a big club anymore and isn't attractive to big players and C. Rodgers himself isn't a manager players are queuing up to play for. He has zero gravitas.
 
Pexbo said:
I'm not so sure. Even if the idea was right the application was very poor.

They needed quality to make any sort of statement in Europe and make another challenge for a top 4 spot. They'd have been much better off signing 3 quality upgrades for their squad than 7(?) players that stepped them sideways.

It would have been a sign of intent, a statement that they are now a Chanpions league club buying top bracket players.

All they did was buy midtable players for their squad. The secret to good squad building is buying better players than what you have, make your current players backup and push them for a place and use youngsters for fringe squad positions.


I think the harsh truth is that he went into the summer targeting top bracket players and soon hade a rude awakening that A. Liverpool can't afford them. B. Liverpool isn't a big club anymore and isn't attractive to big players and C. Rodgers himself isn't a manager players are queuing up to play for. He has zero gravitas.
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All true, but is Rodgers solely to blame for Liverpool being unable to attract top quality players? Their support got carried away as usual, hoping for a Reus, Cavani or Falcao which was never ever gonna happen in my opinion.
 
I think Rodgers probably did go for a few bigger names, but they chose to move elsewhere. Sometimes you just need one big player to make the jump (Ozil at Arsenal for example) and others will follow (Sanchez). He's getting a lot of stick for the dross they have accumulated, but perhaps that was all he could get.
Plus I think people underestimate what a big deal it is to live in/near London rather than the North West for non-English players and their families.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
All true, but is Rodgers solely to blame for Liverpool being unable to attract top quality players? Their support got carried away as usual, hoping for a Reus, Cavani or Falcao which was never ever gonna happen in my opinion.
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No of course he's not but look at the money he spent compared to ours.

Players like Herrera, Blind and Rojo cost us £60m and those three would be an instant upgrade for them. If United weren't interested I think they'd have been realistic targets for Liverpool.

The point being that they could have spent their money much better. Remy or Bony instead of Balotelli would have been a good start. It's decisions like that that make a huge, huge difference.
 
The Purley King said:
I think Rodgers probably did go for a few bigger names, but they chose to move elsewhere. Sometimes you just need one big player to make the jump (Ozil at Arsenal for example) and others will follow (Sanchez). He's getting a lot of stick for the dross they have accumulated, but perhaps that was all he could get.
Plus I think people underestimate what a big deal it is to live in/near London rather than the North West for non-English players and their families.
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He definitely did, Sanchez and Falcao. There were probably more too.
 
Pexbo said:
No of course he's not but look at the money he spent compared to ours.

Players like Herrera, Blind and Rojo cost us £60m and those three would be an instant upgrade for them. If United weren't interested I think they'd have been realistic targets for Liverpool.

The point being that they could have spent their money much better. Remy or Bony instead of Balotelli would have been a good start. It's decisions like that that make a huge, huge difference.
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True, their decision to not sign Remy has proved strange so far, and poor.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
I think Rodgers was right to spend the Suarez money bulking up the squad rather than bringing in one significant signing. Their squad was very thin going into a season playing Champions League football.
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True Liverpool need to strengthen their squad depth, but lets be honest here Rodgers transfer dealing has been appalling... I havent seen one player that he signed have a massive impact yet. He's maybe got depth in his squad but he hasnt got one world class player and you need your world class players when playing in the champions league and compete for top four. Brendan Rodgers was out of his depth imo, he's good tactical manager but when playing in the Elite tournaments and keep you team in that top four and dealing with team rotation, squad selection etc.. He just cant handle it. :lol:
 
FacerTheRed said:
True Liverpool need to strengthen their squad depth, but lets be honest here Rodgers transfer dealing has been appalling... I havent seen one player that he signed have a massive impact yet. He's maybe got depth in his squad but he hasnt got one world class player and you need your world class players when playing in the champions league and compete for top four. Brendan Rodgers was out of his depth imo, he's good tactical manager but when playing in the Elite tournaments and keep you team in that top four and dealing with team rotation, squad selection etc.. He just cant handle it. :lol:
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I dont think he is otherwise he would even win PL last season.
 
It was all down to Suarez.



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Kostur said:
Well they're no Lovren and Leiva but that's pretty harsh really.
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We need to upgrade on those two as well. It's clear Rodgers doesn't want a defensive midfielder anyway, he wants someone who can start attacks from deep. Lucas is a short term option to help stop conceding.
 
Barney said:
We need to upgrade on those two as well. It's clear Rodgers doesn't want a defensive midfielder anyway, he wants someone who can start attacks from deep. Lucas is a short term option to help stop conceding.
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Blind is a perfect option to start attack from deep position, he's shown that in Carrick's absence. He's been our second best player I'd say after DDG so for this price yea, he's probably the best purchase we've made this summer.

And I really think he'd easily get ahead of Allen or Leiva for you lot, as Slippy seems undropable anyway.
 
Pexbo said:
They're all big upgrades on your first XI.
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I really don't think Rojo is, or would be, a big upgrade.
Herrera would add to them, but I don't think he'd solve any problems.

Maybe Blind would be though.
 
Kostur said:
Blind is a perfect option to start attack from deep position, he's shown that in Carrick's absence. He's been our second best player I'd say after DDG so for this price yea, he's probably the best purchase we've made this summer.

And I really think he'd easily get ahead of Allen or Leiva for you lot, as Slippy seems undropable anyway.
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Doesn't have the creative passing range. We need someone in the Alonso or Carrick mould for that role.

He'd get in ahead of Lucas and Allen (though they play different roles).
 
Barney said:
If he wasn't a good tactical manager he would not have even gotten close to winning it (I await the comments about it all being down to Suarez).
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In my opinion,last season you blitzed teams in the first half (ofc thats also a tactic),there should be stats showing huge difference between your 1st and 2nd half,maybe its just my perception but not sure how many times you won 3 pts without leading in the 1st half.My main point was game vs Chelsea at home,you needed draw and he did not want to change his ways (fine),swap him and Mou in same game/situation,in that case i believe Mou would get what he needs to keep that charge towards PL title.
 
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