I agree, it's baffling to me.
Brentan Rodgers
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I agree, it's baffling to me.
Of course it is, Borini gets paid to score goals, Skrtel gets paid to defend them! Borini showed last year that he's capable of getting a goal! Skrtel going up front only works and the end of the game when they need a goal, Borini could have come on at half time and changed it, they could have scored earlier. Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of Borini at all but still, He's more likely to get you a goal than skrtel or Sterling playing out of position.
Also at the moment Liverpool can't score, it's very hard to predict whose going to score for them but if you asked me I'd say Lallana is their biggest threat, Why didn't he play?? Also why didn't Moreno start? He's a far better LB going forward than Enrique...Like I said, Rodgers went out as if Liverpool didn't need to win the game and a draw would do.
"You can't hurry love."
Well they certainly don't play with 10 men & a goalkeeper.
Could've fooled me, going on the recent Liverpool games I've seen I thought that's what you guys were doing.
Before the season started people were saying they've "done a Spurs" but actually it might be even worse than that. At least Spurs use their signings. Lallana - £25m couldn't even get on the pitch, Lovren - £20m only started because Toure was injured.
Hard to believe Rodgers spent over £100m on his squad in the summer, looking at that starting XI. And Rickie Lambert should have been rested at the weekend so he could play 90 minutes here. You can't go looking for a win in your biggest game of the season without a no.9 on the pitch.
Hard to believe Rodgers spent over £100m on his squad in the summer, looking at that starting XI. And Rickie Lambert should have been rested at the weekend so he could play 90 minutes here. You can't go looking for a win in your biggest game of the season without a no.9 on the pitch.
Was Lambert injured ?
No, just tired and awful.
I get the criticism of Rodgers' team but don't get why you'd criticise him for playing without a striker in the 2nd half. As far as I'm concerned we were better without any of them jokers.
Going off 10 more points you are saying that Sturridge is worth 25 points a season. To put that into perspective that's the difference between Alex Ferguson and David Moyes. No player in the world is worth that many points; putting Messi into Aston Villa's side wouldn't be worth 25 points.
One thing for sure is that Sturridge is going to have an incredible amount of pressure on his shoulders when he returns.
It was probably right going on last night's performance and other options, I think what people are criticizing is that Rodgers put himself in this situation with his summer transfers. Sure you're not helped by injuries in that sector, but it's still pretty damning that in your big CL game, you start with Lambert as your #9 before withdrawing him to play without one.
FFS, first they abuse the word philosophy, and now folklore is into the mix. Soon we will be talking about the myths as well. I think the word religion is tossed into there also. Ridiculous!
Fair enough, that's true. We shouldn't have been in the position of relying on Rickie Lambert in such an important match. The fact that only two new signings played last night (and both enforced at that) speaks volumes.
I actually think a few of them have done well but Rodgers has a habit of dropping a player without giving them a chance - Luis Alberto had the same treatment last year.
That is where I have to disagree with you.
The bulk of their squad are good PL players, nothing more. They had that extra yard last year because things were going well. Sure, they played good football last year. Look how they performed when things started to go against them and now.
This year same players, but low in confidence. They are almost playing as bad as some of our players last year, when all we had was a change in manager. When the confidence goes the level of skill also drops. I am sure that you could name at least 5 first team players from last year whose level has dropped. I will argue that it has dropped just below their natural level, e.g. Henderson. He played very well last year having been pretty average for the previous years. He is now back to the previous level.
I don't get why he's freezing out Borini & Sakho but playing Lovren and then moving Skrtl up front. And he needs a new GK, getting Studge back will help a lot (for the pace, if nothing else). Might as well get Markovic in to add some speed too.
Then there's the Gerrard problem.
Does seem to have shored the defence up a bit = 7pts from 9, which he had to do because they're not scoring at the other end.
Bit of a mess but brendan's not helping himself. Some of these new players haven't had a chance - Lallana, Markovic. He persists with people under-performing but drops Moreno who outside the couple of mistakes has been his best signing.
Then there's the Gerrard problem.
Does seem to have shored the defence up a bit = 7pts from 9, which he had to do because they're not scoring at the other end.
Bit of a mess but brendan's not helping himself. Some of these new players haven't had a chance - Lallana, Markovic. He persists with people under-performing but drops Moreno who outside the couple of mistakes has been his best signing.
How on earth can Borini not get on the bench but he plays against Real Madrid away? In a must win game he doesn't start Coutinho or Lallana, the latter doesn't even get on the pitch. Enrique started? Has he played much this season, I genuinely forgot about his existence.
Then at half time you take off Enrique for Moreno who should have started, so that's one sub wasted. Lambert goes off because he's tired or just out of his depth. No recognised striker on the pitch when you need two goals. Its completely shambolic management.
Allen/Henderson/Lucas/Gerrard playing in a game you must win at home is just bizarre.
Then at half time you take off Enrique for Moreno who should have started, so that's one sub wasted. Lambert goes off because he's tired or just out of his depth. No recognised striker on the pitch when you need two goals. Its completely shambolic management.
Allen/Henderson/Lucas/Gerrard playing in a game you must win at home is just bizarre.
But when Liverpool finish the game with Skrtel playing as a striker then something is wrong. Borini might be woefully out of form or just shit but least its better to have him in the last few minutes than Skrtel?
I think we must watch a different Joe Allen. Not the first time I've thought he added nothing to the game, won't be the last
(Not actually looking for another debate on him, we both know each other's view and we're never really going to agree)
That was just a last effort to have someone in the box. I'd rather have seen Coutinho, Markovic, Moreno, Lallana or Can come on than Borini. The second half wasn't the problem anyway, the first half was.
I think we must watch a different Joe Allen. Not the first time I've thought he added nothing to the game, won't be the last
(Not actually looking for another debate on him, we both know each other's view and we're never really going to agree)
I thought he played quite well considering what he had to put up with.
Lucas was atrocious on the ball. Was pressed out of possession a few times and made some dreadful passes. His worst game since returning.
Yeah maybe. I never like Allen playing but last night my problem was more that there was no need for the four midfielders selected. He, and the team as a whole, would have looked better if one of them was dropped for Coutinho, Lallana or Marković.
And yeah, Lucas was really bad which was disappointing because he's been pretty good since returning.
Against Man Utd we surely have to go without an orthodox striker. Don't think we will though
we once played Oshea as a striker.....maybe rodgers thought he could pull of a 'genius' move.
We played O Shea everywhere.
The sad thing is Skrtel looked more likely to score than Lambert.
Full time devils going in on him 
Full time devils going in on him
The phone number at the end is a nice touch.
The loss of both Suarez and Sturridge is what's really killed them and on top of that Balotelli is now injured. Having said that I rate Rodgers but last night really was a WTF moment for me. No Lallana and Coutinho - I just didn't get that at all in a game they needed to win. The biggest difference for me in terms of last season and this probably aswel has a lot to do with Suarez but it's the way they start games. It's so cautionary, they look like they are playing with fear desperate not to concede early - they hardly create anything until after 30 minutes.
Also, no offence to any Liverpool fans as it is a club I respect but I can't help but think the clubs obsession with trying to create magical stories sometimes holds them back. Would Ricky Lambert really have been signed if he came from Surrey? He's nothing like any of the players they have or the philosophy that Rodgers wants to play and just about everyone I know who knows about him says he needs a number of games before he gets firing so was never going to be a good impact sub or plan B! In this day and age you just can't be purchasing players for a romance story with the exception being if it's a short term loan - football has just become too competitive for that.
Also, no offence to any Liverpool fans as it is a club I respect but I can't help but think the clubs obsession with trying to create magical stories sometimes holds them back. Would Ricky Lambert really have been signed if he came from Surrey? He's nothing like any of the players they have or the philosophy that Rodgers wants to play and just about everyone I know who knows about him says he needs a number of games before he gets firing so was never going to be a good impact sub or plan B! In this day and age you just can't be purchasing players for a romance story with the exception being if it's a short term loan - football has just become too competitive for that.
I agree with you on the Lambert signing. Done out of sentiment and no more. For a club which finished second last season, that's a real wtf signing in my eyes.
Sturridge alone is hardly going to solve the fact that their defense is shite, their captain is aging and on the wane, their midfield is slow and ponderous, their goalkeeper is at best bottom half standard and their manager is a bit of idiot.
It won't solve their problems, although it'll certainly give them a boost. Presuming he can stay fit for them, of course.
But, to be fair to them, a problem in one area which is significant enough to lose you games always ends up making the other areas look worse than they are.
It's the inverse of what happened last season. Suarez' brilliance made games very easy for the rest of the team, and allowed them to utterly dominate, which made mediocre players like Henderson, Sturridge, Flanagan etc look much better than they actually are (which in turn led to the massive over-inclusion of Liverpool players in the WC starting XI). Now, lacking a single competent striker up front to keep the pressure on the opposition's defence, the whole team is struggling and as a result a lot of them are being made to look even worse than they are.
Lallana, for example, is looking like half the player for Liverpool that he is for England. Sterling was overrated last season but he's looking worse this season than he actually is. Coutinho's a really gifted player but he looks shite for them at the moment because his main weapon is his through-ball and there's no movement or threat from the strikers ahead of him.
I agree, though, that Sturridge's return is unlikely to be the turning point that they all seem to think it will. I reckon his abilities were magnified by Suarez as much as anyone's - we saw for England at the WC how utterly ineffective he can be when he doesn't have a superstar creating space and chances for him all the time.
That sounds good in theory except for the fact that your defense was shite even with Sturridge and Suarez in the team last season.
I think we must watch a different Joe Allen. Not the first time I've thought he added nothing to the game, won't be the last
(Not actually looking for another debate on him, we both know each other's view and we're never really going to agree)
It's stuff like this that backs you up, Bob:
If he was asked to play as a number ten or creative midfielder, then those stats wpuld be concerning.
He should just bite them loses and keep on the same foundation with minor tweaks to accomodate the lost of Suarez, going chopy change doesn't bring any stability and will only make matter worse.
It seems that he doesn't know what he's doing and just simply trying everything out of desperation.
What was he asked to do then?
Genuinely, what was his role last night? Was he the 2nd defensive midfielder in a game that was must win?
Left Centre Training Cone.
It's about time he's been called out for the bullshitt*r that he is. The guy talks some absolute tripe and just comes across as a deluded idiot. The players look so bereft of confidence this season; it really is astounding given what a great philosophical motivator that Brenton claims to be.
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