Brentan Rodgers

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Phurry said:
His complete inability to sort out the defence suggests otherwise.
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At any of his teams. Remember Swansea fans grumbling about that in the past. This article is pretty brutal/superficial but has some decent points - http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/debunking-brendan-rodgers-rhetoric---4563879

And then there's this
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It's pretty misleading and doesn't obviously account for some pretty big sales, but even compared to our spree it's a staggering number.
 
Minimalist said:
He's a good coach I think. Starting to doubt whether he's a good overall manager.

Massive pressure on him now. The money he's spent is just unforgivable really when you look at how they've regressed.
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I don't think he is.

This famous Swansea side played just like this liverpool side under the man, pass the ball about aimlessly in their own half, toothless upfront and prone to collapse when they made defensive mistakes.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
I don't think he is.

This famous Swansea side played just like this liverpool side under the man, pass the ball about aimlessly in their own half, toothless upfront and prone to collapse when they made defensive mistakes.
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A bit unfair to dismiss his time at Swansea. They may not have been a perfect side by any means, but he did a very impressive job to get them promoted and then finish comfortably mid-table, all the while attempting to play a decent brand of football. He did an excellent job at Swansea overall.
 
Brenda with a great quote:

"I don't think there is pressure on ourselves, only what we have from within. Look at Tottenham ... [when] you spend over £100m you'd expect to be challenging for the league.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27162437

After spending 112m or 12% more than he quoted he is struggling.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
I don't think he is.

This famous Swansea side played just like this liverpool side under the man, pass the ball about aimlessly in their own half, toothless upfront and prone to collapse when they made defensive mistakes.
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I used to watch Reading when he was in charge there and they had the same problem.
 
Cheesy said:
A bit unfair to dismiss his time at Swansea. They may not have been a perfect side by any means, but he did a very impressive job to get them promoted and then finish comfortably mid-table, all the while attempting to play a decent brand of football. He did an excellent job at Swansea overall.
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And he did it with Danny Graham leading the line for the large part. Not Suarez, nor even Sturridge.

Which is why I still believe in Brendan. He seems to have lost his way with his favourites (Gerrard mainly) which is eroding the system. Once Brendan gets Gerrard out (the Palace loss is a now a silver lining crisis, and out of the crisis we may finally bench Gerrard or see him leave for the US/UAE/etc) the system might start taking shape again. I just want to see us playing like Swansea, and the quicker Brendan gets us back there the better for all of us.
 
Dumbstar said:
And he did it with Danny Graham leading the line for the large part. Not Suarez, nor even Sturridge.

Which is why I still believe in Brendan. He seems to have lost his way with his favourites (Gerrard mainly) which is eroding the system. Once Brendan gets Gerrard out (the Palace loss is a now a silver lining crisis, and out of the crisis we may finally bench Gerrard or see him leave for the US/UAE/etc) the system might start taking shape again. I just want to see us playing like Swansea, and the quicker Brendan gets us back there the better for all of us.
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With a bit of luck Sir Stevie Starfish of Me will sign a new deal soon.
 
Rado_N said:
With a bit of luck Sir Stevie Starfish of Me will sign a new deal soon.
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Sadly, probably yes. And it will be a 3-5 year deal with clauses that he plays every single game he's fit for before taking over the reigns as player manager and then manager.

Heck why not.
 
Dumbstar said:
And he did it with Danny Graham leading the line for the large part. Not Suarez, nor even Sturridge.

Which is why I still believe in Brendan. He seems to have lost his way with his favourites (Gerrard mainly) which is eroding the system. Once Brendan gets Gerrard out (the Palace loss is a now a silver lining crisis, and out of the crisis we may finally bench Gerrard or see him leave for the US/UAE/etc) the system might start taking shape again. I just want to see us playing like Swansea, and the quicker Brendan gets us back there the better for all of us.
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Jeez this actually makes me feel for you a bit
 
I said it a couple weeks ago and still firmly maintain that Rodgers has lost the dressing room imho. That might be his biggest problem right
now.Want to have a laugh but will hold off until we play them...:)
 
Jazz said:
I said it a couple weeks ago and still firmly maintain that Rodgers has lost the dressing room imho. That might be his biggest problem right
now.Want to have a laugh but will hold off until we play them...:)
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Good theory. Do you reckon he's constantly playing certain players that are 'still with him'?

ps. you can laugh away mate I think you'll be alright by the time we play you.
 
How come he has been there for 3 years and he still cant get get his defenders to comfortably play out from the back ? Martinez managed it in 3 months and i would of said Jagielka and Distin where poor on the ball.
 
Jazz said:
I said it a couple weeks ago and still firmly maintain that Rodgers has lost the dressing room imho. That might be his biggest problem right
now.Want to have a laugh but will hold off until we play them...:)
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It'll be interesting to see if that is the case.

The Sakho situation is strange to me and clearly he doesn't rate some of the players that the club have brought in. That's going to be a problem when the rest of the dressing start to drop their heads and look for someone to blame.

If he has lost the dressing room (or if he does later), then like every manager in history in that scenario - he's gone.
 
BigDunc9 said:
How come he has been there for 3 years and he still cant get get his defenders to comfortably play out from the back ? Martinez managed it in 3 months and i would of said Jagielka and Distin where poor on the ball.
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Because that would require him knowing how to. Swansea already had that engrained into them by previous managers e.g. Souza, Martinez, etc. Rodgers, while doing well for Swansea, can't really take credit for that.
 
Jazz said:
I said it a couple weeks ago and still firmly maintain that Rodgers has lost the dressing room imho. That might be his biggest problem right
now.Want to have a laugh but will hold off until we play them...:)
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Yes, it is possible that there are some problems in dressing room or he has lost them. He had thrown in subs at 1-1 so he couldn't do much in that respect but he just stood, hands folded and with lost look. Imagine Fergie or Mourinho or other good/great managers just standing/sitting hands folded and looking clueless.
 
They had a terrible summer but it's unclear if it's all his fault or not, if those players were his targets then he's to blame for this, but if he had better targets and the club failed to land them then he had to at least work on depth.
 
The Man Himself said:
Yes, it is possible that there are some problems in dressing room or he has lost them. He had thrown in subs at 1-1 so he couldn't do much in that respect but he just stood, hands folded and with lost look. Imagine Fergie or Mourinho or other good/great managers just standing/sitting hands folded and looking clueless.
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To be fair, some on here think Van Gaal is that because he sits through the whole game.

(I don't think Van Gaal is clueless at all obviously.)
 
Dumbstar said:
Good theory. Do you reckon he's constantly playing certain players that are 'still with him'?

ps. you can laugh away mate I think you'll be alright by the time we play you.
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In every crisis under Houllier, Rafa and Woy you always managed to play like world beaters against us so I don't doubt you'll find a way again this time round.
 
birdy2121 said:
Brenda with a great quote:

"I don't think there is pressure on ourselves, only what we have from within. Look at Tottenham ... [when] you spend over £100m you'd expect to be challenging for the league.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27162437

After spending 112m or 12% more than he quoted he is struggling.
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You're being very kind to Brenton there. It's rarely noted that despite spending a £100 million, Spurs sold £110 millions worth, so still made a £10 million profit in that window. Brenton has managed to not only spend all the money they received from transfers, but also another £45 million on top of that. So the 12% doesn't do it justice as it makes the comparison with Tottenham reasonable. He's not only messed up much bigger than Spurs did last season, but he's managed to spend massively more in doing so. Brentons accomplishments are special.
 
He does seem bereft of ideas now that he can't use pace to win matches. After his choices in the transfer market last summer i thought that he would choose a different approach, that he would try to control the middle areas of the pitch and use pacy FBs to provide width whenever necessary with Gerrard staying in deeper positions. That hasn't been the case so far.

He's definitely a good (not top) manager, there's no reason to deny that, but i think he overestimated his own abilities and the abilities of some of his players after the incredible season Liverpool had last year. It's not only about Suarez, last season they had a clear plan. They pressed and tried to steal balls in the midfield, then they hit their opponents in their transition and they took advantage of their attackers' ability to attack the open space.

Point is that they were not only good at it, they were also very lucky. The amount of times Liverpool scored with their first or second shot in the game last season is simply ridiculous. Almost every time they found that early lead that would allow them to stay deep and play their counter attacking game. Only City and Chelsea managed to turn the games around during the festive period of last year.

You simply can't expect that to happen every season. You can't expect Gerrard to repeat his previous season and continue being a point of reference in each game with one more year on his back and with European midweek games added either. Imo his biggest mistake was not spending money on midfielders who have good vision and composure and are able to provide key passes and through balls. Gerrard doesn't have the legs to go forward often anymore and it seems that everyone is waiting for Coutinho to dribble everybody or for someone to do something extravagant and bail them out.

The 'accusations" that he shows favoritism towards Balotelli are a bit bizarre. They are all over the news since last night and all articles indicate that many players aren't happy with his selections. Well, who should he play, at least until January or until Sturridge becomes available again? And if i remember correctly when he was asked, on the transfer deadline day, about Balotelli he didn't seem very happy about the transfer.
 
Minimalist said:
To be fair, some on here think Van Gaal is that because he sits through the whole game.

(I don't think Van Gaal is clueless at all obviously.)
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Ya, I didn't mean going around shouting or making gestures which some other managers do (which I find funny, especially when they do it the moment camera turns to them), but passing on some message or tweaking things a bit, formation wise etc. Van Gaal doesn't move from his seat much but he is always involved discussing things with his coaching staff and generally Giggs goes to touchline to communicate message. Today, I felt Rodgers did nothing when they went down 2-1. There was still enough time for equalizer at least. Bit of encouragement from him to players and change in approach could have worked. It was almost as if he thought it was inevitable they will lose.
 
Dumbstar said:
Good theory. Do you reckon he's constantly playing certain players that are 'still with him'?

ps. you can laugh away mate I think you'll be alright by the time we play you.
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Not sure to be honest. Might sound extreme, but I actually think not many of the players are with him, but that is pure speculation on my part. As much as everyone says he shouldn't have played that team at Madrid, in my opinion, although not dynamic etc, that team provided the most coherence, and I have a feeling that he may not be playing the players who should in fact be starting. He's too caught up (like a lot of British managers unfortunately) in what the press thinks and if he'll get criticised for dropping certain players like Gerrard and Sterling.
 
Red Dreams said:
surely last season was not just a fluke.

even missing Surez and sturridge does not explain it for me.
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Yep agreed it shouldn't. But the pressures this season is different to last. Last season they had nothing to lose (until the last couple of games), and no expectations. They also had fewer games. In the meantime, it did not help Rodgers to have all the 'press adulation' during the summer. He really started to believe the hype (judging by his various comments). That's fine if you believe in your abilities, but dangerous if you don't back it up. Seems to me like a lack of proper preparation for a new season with more expectations, and Champions league football thrown into the mix, is having an effect. Hence, the performances are suffering.
 
The Man Himself said:
Ya, I didn't mean going around shouting or making gestures which some other managers do (which I find funny, especially when they do it the moment camera turns to them), but passing on some message or tweaking things a bit, formation wise etc. Van Gaal doesn't move from his seat much but he is always involved discussing things with his coaching staff and generally Giggs goes to touchline to communicate message. Today, I felt Rodgers did nothing when they went down 2-1. There was still enough time for equalizer at least. Bit of encouragement from him to players and change in approach could have worked. It was almost as if he thought it was inevitable they will lose.
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Yes, pretty sure that is now the arrangement between LVG, Giggs and the team. Most likely LVG feels that Giggs gets the message across better when the game is in-play over himself who might be mistaken in his instructions.

Anyway, back on Brentan. Bloke has a single-track mind on football management. From his post-match, it seems he's adament they should keep trying the same way of play as before til things eventually click again, i.e. when they get their confidence. Needs to be more pro-active at mixing things up a bit for that to happen though.
 
Natener said:
Yes, pretty sure that is now the arrangement between LVG, Giggs and the team. Most likely LVG feels that Giggs gets the message across better when the game is in-play over himself who might be mistaken in his instructions.

Anyway, back on Brentan. Bloke has a single-track mind on football management. From his post-match, it seems he's adament they should keep trying the same way of play as before til things eventually click again, i.e. when they get their confidence. Needs to be more pro-active at mixing things up a bit for that to happen though.
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Ya, unless he develops some proper plan B, C etc for games, he might get in trouble. Might turn out to be mini-Wenger. Wenger at least created invincibles team and won stuff.
 
Red Dreams said:
surely last season was not just a fluke.

even missing Surez and sturridge does not explain it for me.
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It was a cocktail of absolutely everything going right for them. The key decisions they received at key times when they were struggling (particularly dubious penalties); their entire front 6 playing a level above what you'd class as their normal level (particularly Gerrard, Henderson, Sturridge, Coutinho) all at the same time; no injuries to any of their key player's especially during the run in; no cup competitions to distract or fatigue them; they had the most in form player in the world who everyone could look to when things weren't going perfectly.

Last season was a complete perfect storm for them; every possible star aligned at the same time.
 
gasmanc said:
Scousers touting Gerrard better than Scholes yet 99.9% of them are already packing his bags for LA, well done.
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United fans never did that with Scholes, Giggs, Rooney or anyone ever.

:wenger::nervous::wenger:
 
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