David Moyes must be kicking himself taking that job in Spain, looks like there's an opportunity opening back up on Merseyside.
Brentan Rodgers
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Proper gutted if he gets sacked. If they lose Wednesday, pressure will be seriously high
Pretty sure that last season there were posters in this thread making a serious claim that we should get Rodgers in here. Oh yes high levels of feckwittery there.
Anyone owning up to that now? Expect not.
That post match interview was an interview with a man who knows he's been found out.
Anyone owning up to that now? Expect not.
That post match interview was an interview with a man who knows he's been found out.
I keep hearing this...They have a handful of younger players same as most other sides!
When I first come on internet I thought it said he had been sacked. Personally I think they'll stick with him for a while however I do think he's been found out to be a rather mediocre manager and will never get anyone gig like this one again. I hope they don't sack him as well because it's hilarious watching their plight after the nonsense we heard from them last season about our free fall.
He as the backing of the American owners . So he's not going anywhere for now.
@Joga Bonito
They played good stuff last season but that type of high intensity game in my opinion has a fine margin of error that is to say if they don't execute well they are always vulnerable to the counter because of how aggressive their football was.
The game relies on absolute confidence and they had that, they had the momentum, if they cannot get that incredible confidence back then I can't see them executing that type of football.
Also as with anything teams find ways to deal with it and other teams repeat successful strategies, the mark of a top manager is not so much getting the team to play excellent football with one way of doing things but doing something else when teams find ways to limit your effectiveness.
Rodgers still has a lot to prove and I do agree we cannot write them off just yet. The question for me however is who or what was mostly responsible for that confidence? If it's a combination of factors such as Sturridge, Suarez, Gerrard's captaincy and Sterling along with the manager well Sturridge is injury prone and so risky, Suarez gone, Gerrard won't be performing like that again and top clubs also might be interested in Sterling.
As for replacing them, Gerrard is irreplaceable in terms of what he brings as a Liverpool great, the chances of signing a player to do a Suarez is highly unlikely, the chances of getting another youngster that does a sterling also unlikely and who knows what the future holds for Sturridge, furthermore using funds generated if sterling left might have to be repeated on talent with potential because it will be hard for them to attract world class players.
If on the other hand Brendan Rodgers was more important to that confidence than those players combined then he will do fine.
They played good stuff last season but that type of high intensity game in my opinion has a fine margin of error that is to say if they don't execute well they are always vulnerable to the counter because of how aggressive their football was.
The game relies on absolute confidence and they had that, they had the momentum, if they cannot get that incredible confidence back then I can't see them executing that type of football.
Also as with anything teams find ways to deal with it and other teams repeat successful strategies, the mark of a top manager is not so much getting the team to play excellent football with one way of doing things but doing something else when teams find ways to limit your effectiveness.
Rodgers still has a lot to prove and I do agree we cannot write them off just yet. The question for me however is who or what was mostly responsible for that confidence? If it's a combination of factors such as Sturridge, Suarez, Gerrard's captaincy and Sterling along with the manager well Sturridge is injury prone and so risky, Suarez gone, Gerrard won't be performing like that again and top clubs also might be interested in Sterling.
As for replacing them, Gerrard is irreplaceable in terms of what he brings as a Liverpool great, the chances of signing a player to do a Suarez is highly unlikely, the chances of getting another youngster that does a sterling also unlikely and who knows what the future holds for Sturridge, furthermore using funds generated if sterling left might have to be repeated on talent with potential because it will be hard for them to attract world class players.
If on the other hand Brendan Rodgers was more important to that confidence than those players combined then he will do fine.
Was wondering the same. What you can do is use the Twitter share link: if you embed that, it seems to work.
He's struggling immensely and the reason for that is, primarily, his work in the transfer market. Suarez and Sturridge are both out of the side and he can't recapture what was once working so well for him. Their replacements are terrible. Then there's the Gerrard issue, which is crippling the team.
With that said, I don't think he's even the slightest bit close to losing his job and rightfully so. Last season was an anomaly, and given the strength of their squad then and now, it's that of a team fighting it out for the Europa spots. That's Rodgers' fault, but their squad was never very strong to begin with.
With that said, I don't think he's even the slightest bit close to losing his job and rightfully so. Last season was an anomaly, and given the strength of their squad then and now, it's that of a team fighting it out for the Europa spots. That's Rodgers' fault, but their squad was never very strong to begin with.
I don't think he'll go anytime soon, although he does have a penchant for putting his foot in it. Some of the quotes he has come out with aren't reflecting favourably now he's been exposed as a fraud.
In the MOTD interview, he looks like hes about to break down and cry.
In the MOTD interview, he looks like hes about to break down and cry.
True enough. I don't know - but you don't come within a Starfish slip of the title JUST by being ridiculously lucky. They punched above their weight (but that's to Rodgers' credit), were lucky that Chelsea and City were a bit shite (plus Arsenal bottling it in customary fashion and us being plain horrible) but did undoubtedly play very well, at least offensively, even without Suarez (also to Rodgers' credit).
So, yes - I'd agree that sacking him would be harsh. In all fairness he should be given a chance to turn it around - it's been described as a long-term "project" often enough. And seemingly the owners have bought this idea.
I think he's fecked up rather royally in terms of who has played when this season - the Starfish conundrum, Johnson looking bloody awful, yet being favoured, etc. If he can actually learn from this, it'd be a lesson which could make him take the next step.
Or - he's a moron who's been found out. Hard to tell with Brenda - I've never been quite sure whether there is something of substance behind his phrases and his teeth or not, and I still ain't.
Are they 100% out if they lose?
Not unless Basel gets a point against Madrid. If that happens, they're out. If not, there's a chance. I can never remember whether it's goal difference or head to head, though.
Will be goal difference. I think only la Liga use the head to head system. Stupid imo
See Phil Neville's laying the boot in on the BBC website. That's got to be a low-point for Big Bad Bren, getting lectured to by that moron.
Champions League is head to head before goal difference as well. They changed it a few years ago.
Boooo...or hooray!; I've no idea which.
Definitely a good thing. Have to give the man time as he's clearly a very good manager.
I don't think he will get sacked, and Liverpool would be stupid to do so right now.
The truth is, Rodgers is not the only one to blame here, the transfer commitee as a whole has dropped the ball, not just this season, but also in seasons past prior to Rodgers arriving there. There were holes in the squad last year that were compensated for by their high octane attack with Suarez and Sturridge. And the year before that as well. And the one before that. More then just Rodgers is to blame.
I think Liverpool have to accept that this will be a difficult season but I think they should stick with Rodgers and their long term plans. I think he proved last year that he does have qualities as a coach and that with the right players he can succeed. What they need to scrutinize is the transfer commitee as a whole to see where things have gone wrong. I think there is no cohesion in their transfer business with a number of buys simply not fitting in the team (Balotelli, Lambert). I don't think these are all Rodgers' buys and this is a result of too many cooks in the kitchen.
Sacking him now really solves nothing. I don't see a proper replacement available that can build anything for Liverpool long term and I still think that Rodgers can succeed there (though not this season obviously).
The truth is, Rodgers is not the only one to blame here, the transfer commitee as a whole has dropped the ball, not just this season, but also in seasons past prior to Rodgers arriving there. There were holes in the squad last year that were compensated for by their high octane attack with Suarez and Sturridge. And the year before that as well. And the one before that. More then just Rodgers is to blame.
I think Liverpool have to accept that this will be a difficult season but I think they should stick with Rodgers and their long term plans. I think he proved last year that he does have qualities as a coach and that with the right players he can succeed. What they need to scrutinize is the transfer commitee as a whole to see where things have gone wrong. I think there is no cohesion in their transfer business with a number of buys simply not fitting in the team (Balotelli, Lambert). I don't think these are all Rodgers' buys and this is a result of too many cooks in the kitchen.
Sacking him now really solves nothing. I don't see a proper replacement available that can build anything for Liverpool long term and I still think that Rodgers can succeed there (though not this season obviously).
Unless the rules have changed, head to head comes before the goal difference on UCL (also on Spain, Italy, Euro, Europa League etc).
Think he'll get until the end of the season at least.
He ought to on the basis of previous season. Finish below 4th though and he needs to go, taking them backwards that much after a season like the last one isn't acceptable. He has to be given time to turn it around although it will be difficult, he hasn't shown that he's capable of rebuilding a team so far and it seems everyone underestimated how much they were carried by Suarez last season.
Look at the signing he has made, over 200m on 25 players and only 2 have been succesful up to now. I think Lallana will be a good signing but he has been poor in the market. Thats his downfall especially after selling Suarez
He went for quantity over quality. With the extra burden of Champions League football it was understandable to an extent that he'd want to make up numbers but since he decided to largely ignore CL as evidenced by Madrid away game he could have as well fielded a youth side in half of his games so far, not spend money on actual subs. He's had to rebuild but some of his signings weren't really well thought out. Replacing Suarez with Balotelli was pure nonsense it turns out althought it looked like a fairly clever deal at the time.
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Definitely agree with giving him more time, said so before, but I don't see why he is 'clearly a very good manager', don't think he's actually done anything yet to prove that. The whole point of giving him more time is so that he can prove that, imo.
Is it clear though? Apart from last season nothing in his career can be rated as anything other than average.
But he deserves more time to prove weather last season was a flash in the pan or not. Cannot forget that 6 months ago Liverpool were on the cusp of winning the league.
There have been managers who had one or two great seasons and went downhill from there. Ranieri and Cuper strike me as two managers who could have brilliant seasons then very poor ones. Cuper had two brilliant seasons at Valencia, not sure if he'd done anything of note aside from that in his career.
I said it way back last season when folk were fawning over him he *might* be the new Mike Walker.
I definitely think he'll get them back playing again. If Pardew got time, Rodgers definitely deserves it. Up to him now.
I definitely think he'll get them back playing again. If Pardew got time, Rodgers definitely deserves it. Up to him now.
@Empire
Agreed that confidence and momentum were paramount to their good football last year. Whether the players themselves or Rodgers was more responsible for that we can't really determine definitely. However, it's fair to say that Rodgers played a significant part with the other players lavishing praise on him esp Gerrard with the he's the best man manager comment.
In saying that, he's more responsible for the rut in which Liverpool are atm with a slew of disastrous decisions. Its going to be nearly impossible to see them playing the football of last season anywhere in the near future.
Also seem to have doubts whether he can adapt or is just an obstinate manager incessantly persisting with his plan A (which they don't even seem to have atm). By that I don't just mean formations wise before some smartass claims oh he plays 4-3-3 and the diamond as well...
Agreed that confidence and momentum were paramount to their good football last year. Whether the players themselves or Rodgers was more responsible for that we can't really determine definitely. However, it's fair to say that Rodgers played a significant part with the other players lavishing praise on him esp Gerrard with the he's the best man manager comment.
In saying that, he's more responsible for the rut in which Liverpool are atm with a slew of disastrous decisions. Its going to be nearly impossible to see them playing the football of last season anywhere in the near future.
Also seem to have doubts whether he can adapt or is just an obstinate manager incessantly persisting with his plan A (which they don't even seem to have atm). By that I don't just mean formations wise before some smartass claims oh he plays 4-3-3 and the diamond as well...
That link forwards to catsthatlooklikehitler.com
Oh I am shocked.
If he gets sacked football really has gone mental.
Still, those Shankley/Paisley comparisons last season were full on cringeworthy.
Still, those Shankley/Paisley comparisons last season were full on cringeworthy.
To be fair he makes a perfectly valid point.
2013-14 2nd
2012-13 7th
2011-12 8th
2010-11 6th
2009-10 7th
Take Suarez contribution away from last year and 6th would be about right I'd say.
They were never gonna challenge for the title this year once he left, they're a top 6-8 team trying to get back into the top 4, that's it, anyone thinking they were going to win the league this year is mental.
That situation with Gerrard and his house is one that I never thought would be allowed to happen on the PL level. It has to seriously be undermining him with the players, especially when Gerrard is getting a full 90 every week and doing absolutely nothing when trying to protect the backline. Gerrard played the entire game against Palace and literally didn't make a single tackle or interception. Imagine Blind or Carrick, who carry out a similar role, going an entire game for United without getting a single one of those.
Who do they get if they end up sacking him? The American owners don't seem the type to write off a manger's salary like ours did with Moyes and if not for the investment, last season's form was like lighting in a bottle. Best thing would be to give him the season, not like he's going to get them relegated. If not for the expansive transfer spending, the expectations would likely not have been this high either.
That and they seemed committed to a philosophy of pursuing a young, talented coach after Kenny. Does that go out the window now? Will they even be able to attract a high-profile replacement for Rodgers? I doubt it on both counts.
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