Brentan Rodgers

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Empire said:
He won 5 out of 13 of his first Bundesliga games, he went on to win the league.

He won 3, drew 1 and lost 2 of his champions league group games, he scraped through his group with an unexpected away win at Juventus, he got to the final where he lost to a Mourinho parked bus in its second season of development.

I am not saying United will go onto win the league and I am obviously not saying they will get to the final of the champions league, I'm simply pointing out Louis van Gaal is not in strange waters, he has been here before and he predicted a difficult start to his premier league career in the summer after an excellent pre-season.

Rodgers is probably arguing it is less likely that Louis van Gaal will get his team to click and go on a winning run in the premier league (or take longer until it happens).
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Don't get me wrong I'm sure van Gaal knew the warnings and what it brings but it doesn't mean Rodgers didn't have a point. I doubt Rodgers went on some random outburst to, he was probably asked a question about United and/or van Gaal and answered it how he felt fit. You've got to remember the only people he has to appeal to really is Liverpool fans and if he turned around and said "He's a better manager than me and I reckon they'll finish above us" I doubt it's going to be too popular. There doesn't seem to be anything insulting in what he says, he just says it's different to other leagues he's worked in, which it is, and shocks can happen and he was proven right as we lost 2 games already.

Mind games happen in football and there's nothing wrong with it for me. Rodgers is a bit of a tit most the time but the van Gaal stuff he really hasn't said that much wrong in my opinion.
 
Oggmonster said:
Don't get me wrong I'm sure van Gaal knew the warnings and what it brings but it doesn't mean Rodgers didn't have a point. I doubt Rodgers went on some random outburst to, he was probably asked a question about United and/or van Gaal and answered it how he felt fit. You've got to remember the only people he has to appeal to really is Liverpool fans and if he turned around and said "He's a better manager than me and I reckon they'll finish above us" I doubt it's going to be too popular. There doesn't seem to be anything insulting in what he says, he just says it's different to other leagues he's worked in, which it is, and shocks can happen and he was proven right as we lost 2 games already.

Mind games happen in football and there's nothing wrong with it for me. Rodgers is a bit of a tit most the time but the van Gaal stuff he really hasn't said that much wrong in my opinion.
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I was just saying Rodgers has not been proven correct yet because Louis van Gaal predicted this start and also he has had a very difficult start in the past also but then his team clicked and developed the consistency of a top side.

Rodgers will be proven correct if Louis van Gaal's team doesn't develop consistency and fails to make top four in my opinion. That would suggest Louis van Gaal was unable to implement his process, so far though the early struggles are expected and normal.
 
http://www.espnfc.com/liverpool/sto...ated-by-team-with-no-resemblance-to-last-year
David Brent does not believe there is any quick fix for Liverpool's sluggish start to the season and has warned supporters that the "pain" may continue until he has a fully fit squad.

The departure of talisman Luis Suarez in the summer coupled with an injury to striker Daniel Sturridge has contributed to the Reds taking just seven points from their first six Premier League games this season.

A loss to FC Basel in the Champions League in midweek heaped more pressure on the situation and manager Rodgers admits he is as frustrated as anybody as he tries to bed in a raft of summer signings.


"I think the pain is for now,'' he told national newspapers. "I think it's unfortunate. It's hard for the supporters and I understand that. It must be so difficult at the moment to see a team that for 18 months has been so fluent and dynamic.

"Now they probably look and see a team with maybe no resemblance to that in many ways. I understand that and there is no-one more frustrated than myself.

"We look at our game, which is based a lot on possession, but we were also a big threat in transition when we won the ball back and we were on the break.

"We don't look a threat on the break at the moment. We could argue that we don't even play in transition. We're getting no one in behind, no one breaking lines.

"Our team dynamic was dominating the game with the ball but also without the ball and without the ball means running and getting in behind people. We've done that for 18 months. We did it at Tottenham.

"Once we lose that movement and speed of Daniel Sturridge -- and the link-up of other people within that -- it has broken the dynamic a little for us.

"We just have to persevere until I get the squad back - -until we get Emre Can back, Joe Allen, Daniel and the others. Then I think we will return to that level. In the meantime it's been hard for the supporters and I totally understand that.''
 
I can understand their struggles defensively as they have 3 new players (Moreno, Lovren and Manquillo) in defense with an ageing Gerrard shielding them and they will take some time to bed in. However, I don't understand how their high-octane forward play and cohesive interlink play has disappeared given they just about have the same personnel they did last season bar Suarez.

Granted they have new players in attack such as Lallana, Balotelli and Markovic but the old core of Gerrard, Henderson, Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge is still there, yet they struggled to replicate their attacking intensity and penetration that they had last season. I am not talking about the past few games but more of the games at he start of the season when these players played together. The only game where they looked like the Liverpool of last season was in the Tottenham game but you could probably attribute it to the piss-poor Tottenham side rather than Liverpool being outrageously good.
 
Empire said:
I was just saying Rodgers has not been proven correct yet because Louis van Gaal predicted this start and also he has had a very difficult start in the past also but then his team clicked and developed the consistency of a top side.

Rodgers will be proven correct if Louis van Gaal's team doesn't develop consistency and fails to make top four in my opinion. That would suggest Louis van Gaal was unable to implement his process, so far though the early struggles are expected and normal.
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Fair enough. I don't particularly think there's anything for Rodgers to be proven right or wrong about though in terms of van Gaal. All he commented was it's a different league which may take a while to get used to, it's a throwaway generic comment if anything. Like I said before Id be surprised if he just went on some mad outburst, probably asked a question and answered it as honestly as he could. It's a hard situation for him, due to the club he manages he can hardly go all out and praise van Gaal but it's not like he slates him either
 
Rodgers wants to play fast possession football, doesn't he? Just looking at his summer transfers, not many appear suited to his system...
 
NoLogo said:
I still think Rodgers is a capable manager but his transfers are a bit baffling I have to admit. Is this the football version of sabermetrics at work? If so it's not doing a very good job.
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I've been wondering that too, as the owners are supposedly big sabermetrics people.
 
Oggmonster said:
Fair enough. I don't particularly think there's anything for Rodgers to be proven right or wrong about though in terms of van Gaal. All he commented was it's a different league which may take a while to get used to, it's a throwaway generic comment if anything. Like I said before Id be surprised if he just went on some mad outburst, probably asked a question and answered it as honestly as he could. It's a hard situation for him, due to the club he manages he can hardly go all out and praise van Gaal but it's not like he slates him either
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You were the one who said Rodgers has been proved right, I was just saying that's not really the case.
 
He's had a far worse transfer window than spurs had when they replaced bale, you cant replace top class players with lots of very average ones.
 
Oo0AahCantona said:
He's had a far worse transfer window than spurs had when they replaced bale, you cant replace top class players with lots of very average ones.
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But didn't Tottenham replace Bale with players who perhaps weren't up to it either? I feel Eriksen might come good though.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
But didn't Tottenham replace Bale with players who perhaps weren't up to it either? I feel Eriksen might come good though.
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Lamela is an excellent player who hasn't yet shown his capabilities in English football. Liverpool haven't bought anyone of that quality
 
MDFC Manager said:
Lamela is an excellent player who hasn't yet shown his capabilities in English football. Liverpool haven't bought anyone of that quality
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Lets give players a chance before tarnishing them with comments like that. Lallana (overpriced yes) is an excellent footballer who has shown alot more than lamela and markovic has great potential. I can see what rodgers was/is trying to do. They were never going to replace saurez just like it was impossible for spurs to replace bale.
 
Nanotron said:
Lets give players a chance before tarnishing them with comments like that. Lallana (overpriced yes) is an excellent footballer who has shown alot more than lamela and markovic has great potential. I can see what rodgers was/is trying to do. They were never going to replace saurez just like it was impossible for spurs to replace bale.
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Eh? I'm not tarnishing anyone. Lamela and Ericksen are better footballers than Lallana. They are also 4 years younger than Lallana.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Eh? I'm not tarnishing anyone. Lamela and Ericksen are better footballers than Lallana. They are also 4 years younger than Lallana.
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That's a pretty flawed argument though, what has Lamela done so far for Tottenham?
 
MDFC Manager said:
Lamela is an excellent player who hasn't yet shown his capabilities in English football. Liverpool haven't bought anyone of that quality
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So untill he starts doing that it's rather hard to judge whether or not he's better than Lellana ( who I obviously don't rate ), no ?
 
Kostur said:
So untill he starts doing that it's rather hard to judge whether or not he's better than Lellana ( who I obviously don't rate ), no ?
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exactly. unless a player does it in the English league he is worthless. am still waiting to see what the hype is over that messi lad.
 
All I will say re the Tottenham comparisons is that I was initially far more impressed with their post-Bale outlay than I am with Liverpool's, post-Suarez... The likes of Ericksen, Lamela and Capoue were long linked to the big clubs, and when Spurs signed them, it was a genuine surprise. While the likes of Chadli et al were good, solid players who could do a job.

With Liverpool's signings, the only surprise was the amount of money they wasted on players who were the very definition of average.
 
MJJ said:
exactly. unless a player does it in the English league he is worthless. am still waiting to see what the hype is over that messi lad.
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Yea, because that's exactly what I have just said, next time you try playing the sarcasm game, try understanding the context first.
 
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Brentan seems to be losing it a little in my opinion, first his posturing with England, it could have gone wrong had Roy called Sturridge up, what would Brentan have done then, then with Balotelli, all this guff about making him a better player, better man and now as good as saying Balotelli was the best Liverpool could get/afford. Seems like the sterling contract situation could be an interesting development.
Can't help feel that he bought into his own hype a bit much last year and the slip this year has hit him a little hard
 
Anyone got the gif of his celebration for the first goal today. He really is such a detestable wanker. Holding his hands up like the arrogant guy he is against QP-fecking-R. It was embarrassing seeing him celebrate that way for an OG against the bottom team. Moyesesque, or dare I say it, worse.
 
Was his celebration anything like the one when Slippy G scored in the derby?
 
Tarrou said:
They looked like pretty normal goal celebrations to me
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They likely are. However, they lend themselves to the intrepretation that he's signifying that even own-goals are part of some amazing masterplan he wrote beforehand.
 
He got the points today but QPR are in my opinion the worst team in the premier league and even then they could have won the game let alone deserving a draw.

Brentan has a lot of work to do, the games are coming thick and fast so not much time to work on the training ground whereas Louis van Gaal has loads.

It appears to me Liverpool are way behind United in terms of problems they need to sort out and how close they are to clicking although we will learn more about United tomorrow.

I expect United to be excellent in terms of results from the last 19 games therefore even if Liverpool end up slightly ahead of us after the first 19 I think we will get top four.

Louis van Gaal will make more mistakes, he is still learning the league and team, United have some tough games coming up, Rodgers must sort the problems out soon and build a lead on them.
 
Empire said:
He got the points today but QPR are in my opinion the worst team in the premier league and even then they could have won the game let alone deserving a draw.

Brentan has a lot of work to do, the games are coming thick and fast so not much time to work on the training ground whereas Louis van Gaal has loads.

It appears to me Liverpool are way behind United in terms of problems they need to sort out and how close they are to clicking although we will learn more about United tomorrow.

I expect United to be excellent in terms of results from the last 19 games therefore even if Liverpool end up slightly ahead of us after the first 19 I think we will get top four.

Louis van Gaal will make more mistakes, he is still learning the league and team, United have some tough games coming up, Rodgers must sort the problems out soon and build a lead on them.
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Ironic that this rationale is being expressed in the Rodgers thread even though Rodgers said something very similar in the summer only to be pilloried by many on here...even though it's a perfectly sane assessment.
 
Empire said:
Rodgers will be proven correct if Louis van Gaal's team doesn't develop consistency and fails to make top four in my opinion.
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Nonsense. Rodgers has been proven correct - along with anyone else with a normal view of the toils of the PL. Rodgers never said he'd find it difficult to develop a team in the medium to long term, he just said the league will take adjusting to, which is evidently has.
 
Think he will struggle this year with his inexperience.
 
Bet he wishes he hadn't dug out ballotelli now give sturridge's latest injury, Ballotelli really looked interested today
 
PickledRed said:
Ironic that this rationale is being expressed in the Rodgers thread even though Rodgers said something very similar in the summer only to be pilloried by many on here...even though it's a perfectly sane assessment.
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When Louis van Gaal went to Bundesliga or La Liga the same was true, when he coached Netherlands he had to learn about international football.

The learning curve is expected in anything new but Rodgers said he will have more difficulty adapting to the premier league than elsewhere he has managed.

If you look at Louis van Gaal's FC Bayern performance he struggled during the adaptation phase and then things changed, it's not unreasonable to expect the same here.

Let us compare to see if Rodgers is right:

FC Bayern - After 7 games he had 11 points.

United - 7 games and 11 points.

He went on to get 10 points from his next 6 in Bundesliga.
 
PickledRed said:
Nonsense. Rodgers has been proven correct - along with anyone else with a normal view of the toils of the PL. Rodgers never said he'd find it difficult to develop a team in the medium to long term, he just said the league will take adjusting to, which is evidently has.
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Read my other post :lol:

Louis van Gaal predicted his struggles before Rodgers' did, he stated it's normal with his process.

Louis van Gaal gets the same points in the same amount of games in the premier league as he did Bundesliga, your logic is that therefore Rodgers is proven correct that Louis van Gaal will find it more difficult to adapt to the premier league than other places he has managed.
 
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