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Brentan Rodgers
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I have yet to see anything that proves to me that Brendan Rodgers is a great manager. Yeah he did well to get Liverpool to 2nd and reinvigorate them, but if we hadn't have dropped out of the top 4 and been so shit (as well as Chelsea and City dropping points) they would have not made it to 2nd. At the end of the day they still bottled it, and it showed his managerial naivety, there was no need to go head on against Palace and Chelsea. A Championship playoff victory doesn't make him a great manager. Let's see him win something with them, which I haven't seen yet.
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If my aunty had a cock she'd be my uncle.
It kind of is.
Now now, play nicely.
It's highly likely she's had more than one
A media friendly manager who manages a club that are the main rivals of a club sections of the media despise. Combine those two factors and you get massive love for BR and articles about him being a student of the game and the next big thing.
Let's not forget less than 5 years ago he had a win rate of 26% with reading and left by mutual agreement (code for sacked without embarrassing anyone's ego).
I will personally reserve full judgement until I see how he does this season.
Let's not forget less than 5 years ago he had a win rate of 26% with reading and left by mutual agreement (code for sacked without embarrassing anyone's ego).
I will personally reserve full judgement until I see how he does this season.
I asked a Liverpool supporting mate of mine if his opinion of Brendan would change if Liverpool finish 5th. He was positive it wouldn't happen. The main reason for me asking him was if in Brendan's three seasons they finish 7th, 2nd and 5th, surely last season would be the odd one out and maybe suggest last season really was a perfect storm for Liverpool.
Hey, it pays the bills. Least somebody in the family has got a job.It's highly likely she's had more than one
That was a joke.
Pickle this is why having a debate with Barney is easier. Why you blowing up and going on a rant? Rodgers has done very well (last season and this started showing signs the Xmas before last). You can't just single out comments and bunch them together! If we done that your lot (see Rawk thread) would look as mad as a box of frogs also. My issue was people calling Rodgers great and over praising him (he deserves credit no doubt) but this is getting hyperbole (best since Shankly!) he's no where near matched Paisley and I doubt very much in 10 years in charge he'll match Rafa (who in my opinion was terrific for you's he was just unfortunate he came up against a strong Fergie and Jose). But his 11 was very strong but he made to many cheap silly buys (he spent a fair few bob).
Fair enough, but there's a lazy analysis from some that leads to comments that deliberately paint it in a more negative light. With Liverpool we have to wait and see - as if enjoying the moment is foolhardy.
At timesrevisionism ftw
Three times in, what, 27 seasons?
We returned the favour six times.
I doubt any of us want you to not enjoy this moment pickled, whether we admit it or not all of us recognise Liverpool are playing good attacking football, and are exciting to watch. It seems not only do we need to credit the team, we have to agree with your assertions to the level of genius of Rodgers and his tactical prowess, whether we can see failings or not!
He was on the radio this morning on Talksport, and for once, wasnt a completely insufferable bellend during his interview.
So fair play to him.
So fair play to him.
This is where debate becomes blurred. I assert a position and said position is then exaggerated and skewed to the point where it is ridiculed even though the original assertion bears little resemblence to what is actually being ridiculed. In other words, don't put words into my mouth.
Three times in, what, 27 seasons?
We returned the favour six times.
Well there you go. In 21 seasons Ferguson failed to pick up 6 points against Liverpool but still managed plenty of success despite it. My initial point related to the fact that had Liverpool lost 2 games to United they would still have finished in the top 4.
Like you did with that rant above?
AltUin said "I wonder if Rodger's will be the Liverpool manager for years to come or if he'll move on, I think he might stay at Liverpool. Whatever he does, he's done a cracking job so far."
You were discussing what could happen in the future. A possibility, that I pointed out, is that Liverpool have a couple of mediocre seasons and he gets sacked.
You confidently predicted that he'd get Liverpool back to the top by saying "If he stays for years it's because he's made us a power again and if he leaves it's because he's done so too." Which, as I've pointed out, completely ignores the possibility of him being a bit naff and getting sacked.
It is if you twist it. Was Torres a top player last season, the season before, or the season before that? No. Were Di Maria and Falcao top players last season? Yes.
'Move on' implies that he'll be joining another club. The only way he does that is if he does an excellent job. I haven't predicted anything.
Falcao was out injured most of last season!
You can join another club after being crap. He could resign and move to a lower club after deciding he can't hack the expectations.
Still scored 11 in 19, and then had 2 in 3 the start of this season. You'd be hard pressed to deny that he's a top class striker, and you certainly can't compare him to bloody Torres!
My family tree has been in meltdown this summer. All those aunties that became uncles overnight. The shame.
you are skewing my words now.... I said "we have to agree with your assertions to the level of genius of Rodgers and his tactical prowess" as you highlighted, this statement is saying that we have to agree with the level of genius/mastery/ability/skill and the level of tactical prowess you assert.... I was not saying that you believe Rodgers has genius levels.... You misread that. So don't put words in my mouth.
So when did I make that assertion that you've bolded?
Rafa had an immediate impact on the club but in the long term the club only deteriorated under him, in Rodger's case what he is building there seems organic and on the up, whether that is giving youth a chance or the style of football or creating a winning mentality in his team. I think he is a great manager already, winning trophies will just make it official.
Had Rafa had FSG the club wouldn't have deteriorated as it did. It's too simplistic to blame Rafa for that drop.
Yeah Rafa won the Champions league for Liverpool Rodgers so far has finished in the top four once! I see your organic logic...... No way can he be considered great already! He's won nothing, has Liverpool fans sunk to that low? I know he's brought the feel good factor back but come on!
Geez pickled, read the quote before replying... The emboldened part was my statement which you jumped on.
I reapeat, my statement is saying that we have to agree with the level of genius/mastery/ability/skill and the level of tactical prowess you assert.... I was not saying that you believe Rodgers has genius levels.... You misread that again.
"I've a good relationship with Roy. As an Irishman, I actually want to help the English cause believe it or not" - Brenton September 2014
He's Irish, not British.
Just popping in to say that and set it straight.
He's Irish, not British.
Just popping in to say that and set it straight.
Rossi jog on what difference does it make if he's Irish British or bloody Japanese?
He's from Northern Ireland, so technically he is a Brit.
He's still Irish.
I know, but he's both isn't he?
I guess but lots of people from that province don't consider themselves British.
But lots of them do too! I dunno he's just saying it in reference to the England team.
So to sum up 107 pages, Rodgers isn't yet a fantastic manager based on the fact that he hasn't yet won any silverware, but what he is, is a fairly young manager brimming with potential who is at the helm of a fairly young Liverpool squad which is also brimming with potential.
Which is what they said about Moyes
Moyes is similar to Wenger, albeit a mark or two down. At Everton he could guarantee they'd finish somewhere round 7th season after season, in the same way Wenger can guarantee Arsenal will finish 4th but neither seemed to have that something extra to push that bit further to higher success. I don't think the same can be said for Rodgers, he has found that bit extra gradually throughout his career, if he continues it's fair to say he'll win a big trophy one day be it with Liverpool or a different club.
He also annoys people with the comments he makes in the media. That sums it up quite well though.
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