I like the "..." As if I'm supposed to be in awe of your startling discovery
Breel Embolo | Signed for Schalke
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I'm already tired of commentators calling him Embola, mind.
Don't get me wrong; I think we're on the right path with Mourinho and think it's as close to guaranteed that you'll get that he'll improve us considerably.
He frequently takes gambles on athletic players that don't always pay off though and I think this would end up as another example of that.
Swiss naturalized, Cameroon born and raised. Only got his citizenship two years ago. So yes he's Swiss but you get my point
He only became a swiss citizen like 2 years ago....
Personally I rate him very high. He's a humble person (which I think is a big stregth) with the wrong consultant (Shaqiri's brother).
Strengths:
- Vision
- Defensive workrate
- Coolness in front of goal
- Speed combinded with athletism
Weakness:
- Inconstant
- Desicion-making
He reminds me of a young Drogba (Marseille time) even Embolo plays most the time as a winger. But that's only the first name which came to my mind...
But we'd be watching Kane because he's the top scorer in the EPL. Embolo is being watched because he's young and spoken about on forums. He hasn't achieved anything yet. He wasn't even in the top 10 scorers in the Swiss league and despite his age, that isn't impressive considering his physical development. I know he played wide for a lot of those games, but he scored less than Dele Alli scored in the Prem. Everyone keeps saying he's highly rated, but is there any proof of that? He hasn't kicked on from last year and no big clubs came in for him them, despite the press and fan hype being bigger than it is now. He's scored 1 goal in 13 games for Switzerland and doesn't seem to be a stand out player in the Swizz league. Other than media and fans who can't see past his age, despite him being more physically capable than 90% of pro players. I just don't see any reason why he'd be highly rated and I think people are just assuming he is. People are acting like it's a Raphael Varane situation or Lukaku situation, where the European giants are lining up to sign him as an 18 year old. People keep using the argument that our scouts no better than the fans in this thread, but is there any proof our scouts rate him? Isn't it just media speculation? I'd be shocked if we signed him.
But, he moved to Switzerland when he was six. So that is where he grew up.
If anything, we should be thankful that he hasn't been impressive yet in Euro. Otherwise, we wouldn't even be in this debate phase because other big club would already be in and wrap up his signing. For example Bayern...anyone?
The fact that he is a teenager with already 13 appearances with the Switzerland senior team shows that he is highly rated there.
Okay that's great man, you've made your point very succinctly here and I congratulate you, but last time I checked where you grew up doesn't change your physical attributes/genes, which was the whole point of saying Jose likes his African players in the first place. The point made was Jose has a liking, at times, for athletic/strong/tall/fast players of the African persuasion, which Embolo is. What I'm trying to say is that this lad is more likely to enjoy rumba music than cheese and fine timepieces, if you catch my drift.
Yeah... Evra is African too. Born in Senegal. Look at all those African attributes..
That will do. As long as buying him is not an excuse to Not getting better attacking player(s). As for now, he looks average on games and clips that are available. He won't take us nowhere relay on player of this quality.
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Agreed.
I've said it once and I'll say it again, he made absolutely no decent runs last night at all. He only runs after a pass is made to him. Didn't really call for the ball at all against France too - which is the opposite of what Martial/Rashford do.
Most impressive thing he did last night was holding his ground while Pogba was planking on his back.
Most impressive thing he did last night was holding his ground while Pogba was planking on his back.
Or that he's good enough to be a Swiss international. When you are as physically developed as him, it doesn't mean you have great potential. It just means that you are seen on a level alongside Seferovic, Tarashaj, Mehmedi and Derdiyok. We are talking about a young player who has an okay scoring record in the 12th highest ranked league in Europe and has 13 caps for a Swiss team where he is up against the players I just listed for playing time. You just don't have to be that special to achieve that. We really aren't looking at the next Martial here. He's touted as some wonder kid and it seems to be based on little more than playing for Switzerland at a young age. Derdiyok was playing for them at 19. Being rated as good enough for the Swiss national team isn't the same as being rated as one of the best young talents around. If there is a scramble for his signature by the top clubs in Europe, then fair enough, I'll accept he's highly rated, but so far all I see is media and fan speculation. I doubt what we are seeing in this tournament is a shock to Europes top scouts.
Jesus you lads are harsh, pretty sure he is still coming back from injury, people forget that Rooney is useless for a few games when he come back from injury? And he's a seasoned pro.
The way I'm seeing is that he's not yet up to full fitness and he's taking his time getting his rythm back, coupled with the fact he's 19 years of age and he's bound to be having thoughts of a move on his mind given what's in the papers, and to be linked with us is massive, he's probably getting asked loads of questions, it's not unusual to be distracted by a big life changing decision which he's going to have to make soon.
To expect every young player to be as calm and as focused as Martial is not responsible, he's currently got a shed load of pressure on his shoulders (every Swiss fan cheers when he come on etc) so I wouldn't read much into his performances yet, if we do sign him it'll probably take him a season for him to mentally readjust to his surroundings too.
I hope you lot start putting away your pitchforks before you start sharpening them again since they've clearly become blunt after your hounding of Depay.
The way I'm seeing is that he's not yet up to full fitness and he's taking his time getting his rythm back, coupled with the fact he's 19 years of age and he's bound to be having thoughts of a move on his mind given what's in the papers, and to be linked with us is massive, he's probably getting asked loads of questions, it's not unusual to be distracted by a big life changing decision which he's going to have to make soon.
To expect every young player to be as calm and as focused as Martial is not responsible, he's currently got a shed load of pressure on his shoulders (every Swiss fan cheers when he come on etc) so I wouldn't read much into his performances yet, if we do sign him it'll probably take him a season for him to mentally readjust to his surroundings too.
I hope you lot start putting away your pitchforks before you start sharpening them again since they've clearly become blunt after your hounding of Depay.
If I understand this thread, Sterling is poor because like all self-respecting Jamaican, he prefers Bobsleigh.
naturallyWe need proven players who can fill in our void on RW and that should be a priority. It is not a matter of basing off other peoples opinions, it is just the truth. We already have Lingard who can provide continuity in our team and as a suitable back up option. That being said, that dosen't mean that we can't upgrade our back up options options with an allegedly talented player who can develop into the main role, but it isn't a priority. You feel me?
Nah mate, I don't. Go and look at his stats for last season before you say he can't fill that void. He played more from RW than central last season. Obviously micky would be the first choice that's obvious, but who knows, he could be played central if/when mata is sold. This doesn't change the fact you form opinions off of other people's, then try pass off an analysis as your own, which is in fact a fallacy. It's not down to you or me, if Jose thinks he's right for the position, that's it, period.
How many top European scouts do you know then?
10 goals 7 assists in 2250 minutes( 25 games)
Nice, they are impressive for a 19 year old, but he plays in a weak league. Depay did a lot more in a stronger league, but struggled a lot in his first season here. We need somebody who is proven to come in and contribute on the RW instantly. Haven't we learned enough that you relying on unproven talents is not the way to go?
Stupid comment. He is not a proven player and that is a fact, therefore(in my opinion) he is not what we need right now. This isn't a hard concept to understand.
Martial and Kane might be misfiring but they have come here at the back of long seasons where they have been main men for big sides and visibly look tired. They also haven't technically looked out of their depth just poor decision making and don't look sharp.
This guy looks like a livewire in terms of athleticism but just looks very average in all facets of attacking. But I did think last game looked okay.. its just his YouTube vids of full games to me looked very poor for a supposed future world class player.
Plus does highly rated in Switzerland mean anything.. which top players have come from that league?
It's not. Neither is actually trying to watch players before passing judgement. That's not too hard for you is it? If it is, there's always YouTube to see their highlights? If Jose wants him, there's absolutely nothing you or I can do about it, so just chill out and see what happens. You nor I, are the manager, so it doesn't even matter.
So after 30 mins or so as a sub and leading the line against a very strong team the caf decided he's crap?
A month ago he was injured and in doubt for the Euro. He also needs match fitness and is also a teenager.
A month ago he was injured and in doubt for the Euro. He also needs match fitness and is also a teenager.
I disagree. In my opinion, you can't really judge whether a player will come good or not based on strength of the league he plays in. For example, Ronaldo came from the weaker Portugese league, and was able to develop into one of the best players to ever play the game.
Reading back, I think I've worded my point rather poorly, but summed up: there's always a first! (Just because no other player has really emerged from the Swiss league, that doesn't rule out Embolo from becoming a good player.)
Why are people trotting out the illogical "you'd think Kane, Ibra, Martial etc are poor players based on the euros"?
Everyone knows how good the above mentioned players are, one average tournament doesn't change that. However, someone like Embolo not taking his chance to impress in a big tournament is ominous.
Everyone knows how good the above mentioned players are, one average tournament doesn't change that. However, someone like Embolo not taking his chance to impress in a big tournament is ominous.
No, no it isn't. He's 19 years old, the fact he's not having the best tournament is not a defining moment in his career. Imagine if scouts or people who actually matter in football thought like people do on here, it's hilarious.
I think history has taught us you should not put too much stock in international tournaments good or bad.
Too many journalists are saying we are after him. People at the club have been watching him for a long time. If Mourinho says he wants, we have to trust him.
I have seen him about half a dozen times for Basel, he's a far better player than he's shown in this tournament.
I have seen him about half a dozen times for Basel, he's a far better player than he's shown in this tournament.
He's great on FM tbf.
But then again so is Memphis
But then again so is Memphis
I don't think anyone is saying it is.
True, I'm only pointing out that saying other established players are having a poor tournament too, is poor logic.
Well excuse me for not having exclusive access to the fecking Swiss League. You don't need to watch Embolo to know that he is not a top proven player. I've seen his highlights and read all of his scouting reports and he looks like a pretty talented guy, but it is not rocket science to know that he isn't proven. No judgement needed.
Second off all this whole " I can't do anything about it, so I should just be quiet" approach is a little bit lame don't you think? I am just expressing my concerns over a potential move of a player--a core conviction of the whole transfer forum right? It is not as if I am livid about this move.
As I said, if our scouting team believes in him then I am all for it and look forward to seeing him as a Man United player.
You can't compare the swiss league to the Portuguese league. One has a rich history of producing some of the greatest players of all time in Eusebio, Figo and Ronaldo.. not to mention plenty of modern day stars have featured there or been developed in that league.
Swiss league comes nowhere near in terms of pedigree in the champions league for example.
Agreed. Embolo hasn't really shown much, but I really couldn't care less because how you play on the international level doesn't mean much at all.
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