Breel Embolo | Signed for Schalke
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Ok so from barely half an hour of play you've determined that he isn't better than those two mentioned.
Do you realise how utterly stupid that sounds?
Wasnt impressed after the hype from a few on here...
Can't jusge him on his performance today alone so will keep an eye out in the next few games but to be honest I've not been overly impressed so far.
Youtube can make even Tom Cleverly look like a world class player so it's certainly not a platform to judge from but having said that even the several youtube videos i watched on Embolo didn't impress me.
Youtube can make even Tom Cleverly look like a world class player so it's certainly not a platform to judge from but having said that even the several youtube videos i watched on Embolo didn't impress me.
I guess he would have had to score a half hour hat trick to appease you lot. People are crazy.
Probably a lot of us are judging as the ones who looked better have been snapped up by German clubs and the options for signing players are sliding down the ability scales gradually. I would have liked a Sanches or Dembele, but we apparently didn't want them, so we are going after someone who Leipzig were desperate to sign, not PSG, or Barcelona etc. Leipzig. He will probably turn out a world beater mind.
I actually quite liked the performance. He did what he was asked to do, get the ball forward and waste as much time as possible. He did both in that short cameo. Quite a smart performance more than anything else.
does it hurt?
It annoys me. It's not just this thread. People who've seen feck all of him acting like experts. Andre Gomes is suddenly the best thing since sliced bread, despite doing feck all all season. Pogba and Griezmann are shite, because yesterday. Our own players aren't really given a chance either. Everyone needs to be as good as van Persie in their first season. I'm better now.
He should really be starting upfront instead of that lump Sferovic. This is also the sentiment from a lot of Swiss fans according to the matchday thread.
Looked pretty good. Still not convinced by the reports we're after him though.
I agree that coaching and training matters. How can it not. But following instructions in training doesn't necessarily lead to getting starts because you're relying on players above you in the pecking order to let up which doesn't always happen. Youre not only assuming that Embolo will displace Ibra, you're assuming he will displace one of Martial or Rashford or a new RW.
In case of Rafa and Chicharito it's obvious that both the players they replaced were over 30 and both Rafa and Chico offered something we didn't have at that moment of time i.e. An attacking right full back and a striker that plays on the shoulder of the last defender. If we had those in abundance maybe they wouldn't have got that chance. IMO the Embolo transfer wouldn't happen because we have Rashford Martial and Wilson. How many young strikers can a club need in their first team. it could lead to a Lukaku sort of situation at Chelsea under Mourinho where he had to leave to get more starts. He wasn't just happy proving himself in training and getting substitute appearances.
To me it doesn't sound like sensible business given the gaps we have in other positions and for him it doesn't sound like a good move because he has a lot of competition for the same position. But like you said, we will know In a year. I've been wrong before.
I agree with this sentiment.. Some people are so quick to write off Schweinstiger, Darmianand, Schneiderlin Depay because they weren't as good as Martial this season.. I think the 2nd season is a better judgement of where players are. It's not just new signings, look at how people have written off James Wilson because of Rashford's rise
Don't know a lot about him, truth be told, apart from what I have read recently. Looked quite lively when he came on today.
Here here, though i guess people are making more informative judgements considering they have seen about 20mins rather than a 5min youtube video. The Swiss fans certainly seem to rate him judging by the reception he got coming on.
Heheheh some of you cnuts !!! Griezman, pogba, Kane and other muppet choices players can play as shit as possible like they all have done recently, but none of you will criticize.
This young kid comes in and plays very well but he gets so many negative reviews? Why? Because he is not griezman, Kane or bale?
He was good and that is not even accounting for his age.
This young kid comes in and plays very well but he gets so many negative reviews? Why? Because he is not griezman, Kane or bale?
He was good and that is not even accounting for his age.
Wait, are people saying he's not good based on today
Get the feeling people don't like the idea of him rather than him as a player, just because he hasn't been seen regularly or even by performing well in a weaker league.
He played well.
He played well.
People judging a player based on a 30 minutes cameo.
You can't judge him on 30 minutes playing in a pseudo #10 role, but for me if we buy him it should be for the bench while he develops, our attack needs an addition of proven quality as well as Ibra IMO. We always had attacking threat off the bench under Fergie and Rashford and Embolo would give us 2 fast, exciting and versatile young options.
Played with his head up, first and foremost. That's very encouraging to see in a teenager, especially a fast and powerful one who can dribble.
He's also got a good eye for plays into off-the ball runners, which suggests he's got some intelligence to his game.
I like that he isn't a mindless player. Can't see him being on the bench for the whole tournament; that starting striker could easily be dropped.
He's also got a good eye for plays into off-the ball runners, which suggests he's got some intelligence to his game.
I like that he isn't a mindless player. Can't see him being on the bench for the whole tournament; that starting striker could easily be dropped.
If he is brought in, it's definitely for the RW and not as a striker. The sky reports saying we didn't bid on Vardy and only focussed on Ibra sort of indicates that we are planning Ibra, Rashford and possibly Martial as our 3 strikers for next season. So I'm not going to assume he will displace anyone in the striker's position. If we don't sign any other winger, then his competition will be Young, Januzaj (Reportedly to be loaned out though), Memphis (Reported to be sold), Valencia (Possible if TFM plays at RB), Pereira (No Idea honestly) and Lingard. If that's the case, I think he will get plenty of game time. If we bring in another winger of already undoubted potential, then he's likely to get a lot of minutes from the bench, again not necessarily a bad thing. Many of the class of 92' apparently started in that manner; Neville, Butt, Scholes were all eased into the Starting XI by Fergie and they did alright.
The point about Chicarito and Rafael was made because, they impressed the boss. I mean displacing Gary Neville, the captain of the squad is not an easy feat at all. The point about Lukaku is true, but can you really say he's kicked on at Everton ? The same questions about his ethic and desire which was prevalent at Chelsea have been noticed at Everton too. Sure, he's a good player and has definitely improved since moving to Everton, but you can't say that this is him at his peak right now. He can get much better. Maybe he eventually will, but I expected him to be at an ever higher level by now to be honest.
Yeah mate, I've been wrong plenty of times before as well..
.Showed enough for me.... Sign him up.
Some good moments.
Depay season.2
That performance hardly had Manchester United written all over it: played one great pass but otherwise didn't show exceptional quality. Danny Welbeck had more about him..
If we really are after him, let's hope he improves next game.
If we really are after him, let's hope he improves next game.
You can't?People judging a player based on a 30 minutes cameo.
People are not judging him only based on 30 minutes.
His youtubes show that he is average. And now these 30 min also validate this opinion
His youtubes show that he is average. And now these 30 min also validate this opinion
Glad that people who weren't impressed by his game didn't watch Muller's 30 min cameo against Atleti in the CL semifinal. They probably would have said No Muller either after that. 
His trophies for club and countries, his stats, and he's a regular for one of the biggest team in the world might have something to do with that.Glad that people who weren't impressed by his game didn't watch Muller's 30 min cameo against Atleti in the CL semifinal. They probably would have said No Muller either after that.
Yeah, but if you ask most Bayern fans, they'll say that he's pretty useless coming off from the bench.
Why are people so offended that others have now got an opinion of a player they've been waiting to see? it's not like they're stating they will never change their mind and Embolo is written off, just put what they thought they saw, its a running commentary and will change when he plays well or bad. He seemed to have a spark, I liked him.
Ohhhh so it's the utterly pointless YouTube clips along with the 30 minutes today.
Fair dues. Completely justified opinion then
No problem with the running commentary. It's perfectly fair if people have different views on a player as we've seen the last two days with regards to him, Pogba and Griezemann etc. It's the extrapolation that I don't get. Watching him for 30 mins live for the first time and saying he's no better than X Player or Y Player who they've seen plenty of. Unless they were made in jest (Perfectly possible, I can never understand sarcasm on the internet anyway), they just seem like a silly thing to say.
Yes it is a justified opinion.
Everything about this lad screams 'average' - even his youtube videos which are supposed to show the best bits.
Welll most of the people here just saw one good game from depay other than youtube clips and say he have potential.
THat's a weird example, using Muller though.
People usually judge unknown player, based on his record/stats, the team and league he's played for, age, and watching him. Maybe shocking news for few here, but Youtube videos 5 min. here and there are also useful to show what a player capable of. As well as a 30 min. cameo.
So what if we judge player quickly? the way few react, seems like it is a sin and an absolute wrong way. What's their qualification on insisting that view?
And like a poster said above, it's not like people won't change their opinion. The thing is, after so many years in wilderness, we finally have a manager befitting United. And we are desperate for him to sign players that can match his and United ambitions, which is back to the very top. We are desperate for players that can excite us. Based on his profile and what has been shown to us, Embolo fails so far.
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I've watched the match at RSI (TV Swiss in italian) and the pundits continuously said that Embolo was to joined United.
I've seen him last year playing against Fiorentina in Europa League and boy oh boy, he was impressive. I remember it quite well because I thought "that's a player who could to good things for us". Less impressive today but the pundits stressed out that he was coming from an injury.
I've seen him last year playing against Fiorentina in Europa League and boy oh boy, he was impressive. I remember it quite well because I thought "that's a player who could to good things for us". Less impressive today but the pundits stressed out that he was coming from an injury.
That's fine I guess.
He was the most recent high profile player I could think of.
Again, that's fine. I've done it plenty of times myself. I don't have a problem if people think a player is good enough or bad enough. It's a forum after all. It's the extrapolation I don't really get and I mean it in both ways. If a poster is impressed, they immediately say he's the new someone, if he's not, they immediately say he's the new someone else. I understand the natural compulsion to compare to a well known player, but just feels like all of that is a touch unnecessary.
There, I've said my part, better leave before I get a wrath of hate posts.
.The biggest newspaper in Switzerland said he his coming here. Also the local Leipzig newspaper confirmed it and that he had rejected RB Leipzig. They would have some info since his move that team looked certain.
I have seen him about a dozen times and I like what I see. I can see some "Depay" retorts here. Unlike Memphis he's is a proper explosive player and playes a mature game.
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