Noone is judging him. They're giving their initial impressions, clearly.
Breel Embolo | Signed for Schalke
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Whoscored usually collect all the data only from the big leagues. They have this useful section called "Characterestics" as well for players highlighting their strengths and weaknesses and style of play and you can clearly that it's missing for him.
Transfermarkt is better for that stuff, there you get complete stats, positions played, stats for each position etc.
Haven't seen him at all, though I've constantly read that he's highly rated. If he's good on the right, then I'm all for it. But if it's another striking option, I'm not too sure this is necessary.
Have you completely lost the plot?
Composed finish
Good crossing (somebody should have put that low-cross away early on)
Decent link-up play
Pace, power, agility
Versatility - moved in to the channels out wide, showed he could work in a team sitting deep as he made some good breaks on the counter, latched on to a through ball to score, showed some use as a target-man after that holding up a long-ball and bringing others in to play
Good teamwork
Physical and worked hard without the ball
Showed a willingness to run at players, beat his full-back numerous times, drew free-kicks
Some intelligence, won a few clever corners
What more do you want? There were a few loose touches so he will need to work on his ball control and a couple of times he lost the ball trying to beat too many players or somebody in too tight a space but that's about it.
He's barely 19 aswell...
When it comes to a young player we are buying for potential, a youtube video of world class dribbles taken over a season doesnt make him a potential world class player. Even moreso, a video of failed dribbles from a match from a 19 year old kid, doesnt dictate he cannot be one.
People saying in this thread he looked nothing special from his youtube videos just reminded me of reading certain peoples negative opinion, based on just a few youtube videos, of a 19 year old kid called Martial just after he signed for us. Whereas those familiar with him over many matches raved about him.
Funny how that turned out.
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So cafe,
How seriously are we taking these rumours so far? From 1 to 10 on the muppet-o-metre
Not seen any reliables reporting it yet. So I'd say we're currently on a 3
How seriously are we taking these rumours so far? From 1 to 10 on the muppet-o-metre
Not seen any reliables reporting it yet. So I'd say we're currently on a 3
A Youtube compilation doesn't look to give you a full picture of player for all his pros and cons, in fact, they do the opposite; trying to display only the very best of a player over a season, ergo, they really shouldn't look bad or wanting in a video created to show them in their best moments.
If all someone saw of Pogba was his highlights reel, they would swear he was one of the best players on earth, watching him in full games lets you know those moments he has are sporadic and inconsistent, but vids like we see on Youtube also let you know his best moments are incredible.
You obviously only get an initial impression from a compilation and may get to fill in the blanks via watching the player in full games (Euros for example) and considering these are games from the Swiss league against lesser teams/ opposing talents, it's fair of people to be underwhelmed by what they see. It by no means suggests a solid opinion has been formed, just a basic outline of the player that could obviously be subject to change.
Rashford out wide could do just as well as Embolo from what I've seen. They both need work, but Rashford isn't inferior to what I've seen of Embolo except for in the crossing department. He's not likely to be our #9 next season, so it makes me wonder whether the plan is to share playing time wide between someone like Embolo and Rashford.
Nah at least 6-7. 3 would be someone we're barely even linked to.
---------Rashford----------
Martial-------------Embolo
----------Gomes-----------
From a neutral prospective I would be very excited about the possiblity of seeing these 4 together and let loose in a year or two's time. That would be an absolutely joy to watch.
Martial-------------Embolo
----------Gomes-----------
From a neutral prospective I would be very excited about the possiblity of seeing these 4 together and let loose in a year or two's time. That would be an absolutely joy to watch.
The so called 'reliables' have known nothing so far. Where were they on Eric Bailly?
Fair enough. I personally couldn't give anything above 5 on the muppet metre to someone who hasn't even been mentioned by the likes of Ducker, Odgen etc yet
... I may possibly think too much about this crap
Well they did mention him after the original links. They just didn't 'break' it
Whereas Embolo hasn't even had the mention yet
He would not be a starter for us, more a player for the future. He's not close to Martial in terms of maturity
He looks... okay?
Well if you watch him play you would know that he is not yet a reliable finisher to play as a striker or as a goal-scoring winger, which is one of the reasons why his manager often plays him on the right, and he has looked very dangerous and creative every time I have seen him play in this position.
Martial also looked underwhelming in what was supposed to be his best highlights from a season in a weak league and look how that turned out.
Jose likes to play a goal-scoring winger like Martial on one side and a creative, fast, powerful workhorse like Embolo on the other side so I can definitely see us getting him.
Sounds like a poem from Rawk.
DDG?
This price is so minimal that this is hardly a gamble. He won't be a starter for us to start, probably be a sub for us and I'm sure he'll know that.
He's a 'Liverpool' signing.
if we're getting him I hope he's not the only winger we are signing, surely we don't need to pursue neymar, but someone as experienced as Mkhytarian would be ideal, LVG made a mistake with Depay when he counted on him to become leader straight away whereas he should have been one for the future, we would have been extremely lucky if Embolo turned out as good as Martial in his first season, we should be getting someone experienced as well for sure, Mahrez wouldnt be bad at all but perhaps he's not enough hard worker for Mou...
Wouldn't be too surprised if we signed him tomorrow, out of the blue, with no rumours around. Woody knows how to deals at least when it comes to how quietly he works behind the scenes and wraps up the deal..
Wouldn't be too surprised if we signed him tomorrow, out of the blue, with no rumours around. Woody knows how to deals at least when it comes to how quietly he works behind the scenes and wraps up the deal..
From the video, he looks more than comfortable coming in off the left channel to shoot. He uses the inside of the foot and looks for placement from there, but that's exactly what Martial does and where Martial plays. From the right, he never uses his left foot to do the same thing, instead shuffling down the line for a surprisingly good cross or lay off. It seems like he can be better trusted to attempt a proper finish from the opposite side i.e. if he were to play LWF, his goal tally would go up whilst his assists would probably go down.
I can't speak about Martial as I didn't watch any vids of him before he got here.
From the way Embolo is touted, I did think his compilation would be spectacular, tbh.
It will be good to watch him in the Euros and form a better overview of the player. I'm looking forward to it.
More than happy to be proven wrong and I will look out for him in the Euros. I also had doubts about Depay and Darmian in all fairness but again that was also based on limited knowledge through youtube footage.
Its called first impression, no one would say he definitely is shit based on one video.
I said based on that video, he seems raw.. bad decision making, running into people, overhitting passes.. remember if he is coming into a Mourinho side, he isn't going to have a patient manager there waiting for him to iron out his kinks.
If we sign him, based on the limited footage I have seen my impression would be that it will be as a player for the future and not our right winger for next season.
I look forward to seeing him at the Euros. He was quite a handful against England, but again his performance was more brute force rather than finesse.
That is what many thought of Martial and we had more competition on the left rather then on the right
I keep reading his name as Drool Embolo for some reason.
How is he compared to Rashford anyway? Hope it gets officially announced soon and he plays a fair bit in the Euros. Remember when we had just signed Hernandez and I was supporting Mexico in the World Cup.
Think I even put a small bet on him to be the top scorer and Mexico to win it! All based on that wonderful youtube compilation.
How is he compared to Rashford anyway? Hope it gets officially announced soon and he plays a fair bit in the Euros. Remember when we had just signed Hernandez and I was supporting Mexico in the World Cup.
Think I even put a small bet on him to be the top scorer and Mexico to win it! All based on that wonderful youtube compilation.
I would obviously be pleased if we got him but moving to Leipzig made so much more sense for him from a career POV.
Like I said earlier Jose likes to play a goal-scoring winger on one side and a creative workhorse on the other side. Martial would be his goal-scoring winger and Embolo would be his creative workhorse.
It could be mate, though in the past Jose has always talked about having two top class players for each position. Maybe if we sign Ibra and an experienced winger. Then maybe Embolo and Rashford will be rotated with them.
We will have a shit load of games next year especially if we do well in the Europa. So there will be plenty of playing time for everyone i hope.
This.What makes sense is us signing him for £15M now and not for £50M in 3 years time
People always complain why we weren't in for players who teams like Leicester and Spurs snap up on the cheap who then turn into very good players.
I love our current approach of signing top talent and trusting our coaching staff to develop them.
Looks the opposite of what I'd sign for our right wing. Clumsy.
Yup, the deal makes sense in every aspect for us. Was talking about Embolo's POV. More game time at Leipzig -> Better development.What makes sense is us signing him for £15M now and not for £50M in 3 years time
I remember some people saying it would have been a good idea for Martial to stay at Monaco for another season. It's a gamble. We then risk not only having to pay more, but fighting off other clubs.
Clubs like Dortmund, Atletico, and Juventus are happy to sign these young players and develop them, Even Spurs recently have benefited from buying highly rated youngsters. We then find ourselves each summer drooling over the prospect of signing them, when we could have already signed them a few years earlier. It's a balancing act; we can't fill the squad with 18 and 19 year olds, but we should certainly try to have a handful of the most promising young players in the world in our team. It won't always work out, but when it does it's highly satisfying seeing a young player develop and grow in to a star.
Anyone made the joke that Antwerp will have one helluva team next year yet?
What was that about him joining RB Leipzig?
Never heard of this guy, he sounds shit.
Never heard of this guy, he could be the next Martial for me, unknown talent
There, I'll delete one in a few months.
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