Television Breaking Bad

Wouldn't it be funny if Walt's lottery tickets won, say, $5 and Walt Jnr. or Skyler cash it in on Walt's behalf.

Something ridiculous like that is going to happen because Walt and Jesse's masterplans always have some cock-up along the way.
 
Wouldn't it be funny if Walt's lottery tickets won, say, $5 and Walt Jnr. or Skyler cash it in on Walt's behalf.

Something ridiculous like that is going to happen because Walt and Jesse's masterplans always have some cock-up along the way.


I like the idea of the money being lost forever in the desert.
 
I re-watched parts of 'Buried' today for the third time (I was bored and I have to watch something when I'm eating) and the scene when Lydia and Todd's crew obliterate Declan's gang got me thinking. Todd ushered Lydia out of the bunker and gently led her away after he urged her to close her eyes. He has, however, no conscience for what he's done. Even in the other scenes where Todd has acted callously, he always maintains a gentile demeanour.

On the other hand you have Jesse, who is the polar opposite of Todd. He comes across as being rude but his conscience eats away at home over the crimes he has committed. He couldn't be more different from Todd and that showdown between the two after Todd shot the kid in the desert was a clue from the directors, I think, as to where this may be headed.

Walt, of course, is stuck in the middle, but he's able to contain Todd whereas Jesse always proves more problematic. Depending on what outcome Walt wants, he's going to have to choose sides at some point.
 
I re-watched parts of 'Buried' today for the third time (I was bored and I have to watch something when I'm eating) and the scene when Lydia and Todd's crew obliterate Declan's gang got me thinking. Todd ushered Lydia out of the bunker and gently led her away after he urged her to close her eyes. He has, however, no conscience for what he's done. Even in the other scenes where Todd has acted callously, he always maintains a gentile demeanour.

On the other hand you have Jesse, who is the polar opposite of Todd. He comes across as being rude but his conscience eats away at home over the crimes he has committed. He couldn't be more different from Todd and that showdown between the two after Todd shot the kid in the desert was a clue from the directors, I think, as to where this may be headed.

Walt, of course, is stuck in the middle, but he's able to contain Todd whereas Jesse always proves more problematic. Depending on what outcome Walt wants, he's going to have to choose sides at some point.


Walt refused to get back in the business even though Lydia wanted him to return. Unless his stance on that changes, Lydia and Todd could end up being a major threat to him as they'll still feel like they need him to work for them, and if Todd now has a crew then Walt may not be in a position to refuse, despite the money he has.
 
I don't remember, which is why I'm asking. I rewatched the last scene where he was silent and then wondered if said anything before that either.

Why don't you watch it and tell me you gay.
 
He didn't say anything. I think he was only in two scenes, the roundabout bit at the start and the interrogation at the end.
 
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The Price is Right, bitch!
 
Skyler haters tend to be the kind of people who don't even fully understand why Breaking Bad is so good and just like watching their hero Walt have badass drug adventures.
 
Is she actually complaining that people see her character as a ball and chain? because that is pretty much what she was in the first couple of seasons, an obstacle for Walt to get around- It's just how the character was written, calling it as it is isn't 'being a hater'.

Skyler supporters often stick to her reaction to finding out Walt cooks meth, which is a reaction most people if they think about it will get and empathise with her somewhat for (well apart from fecking Ted, because at least upto that point the audience thinks Walt is doing it for his family, while her affair is just vindictive), but they ignore that she was already a dislikable person before she found out- she was incredibly controlling and suspicious of Walt, who at least upto that point had not given her a real reason to act like a prison guard. Noone likes a controlling partner, whatever the gender.

At least she's right about it being the fact she is diametrically opposed to the protagonist that means she gets more flack than she otherwise would..
 
Anna Gunn's written an article moaning about people hating her character. I agree with her for what it's worth, Skylar hate isn't very rational.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html?_r=0


Meh. She grossly underestimates what an annoying fecking face she has tbh.

I think Jessie will find out about some of the shit Walt has been up to next week.

It certainly looks like Lydia, Todd and his Uncles crew will be a problem in coming episodes (likely who the gun and riacin is intended for). I wonder if they will try and take out Jessie, Walt and his family to make sure that they don't talk?
 
Anna Gunn's written an article moaning about people hating her character. I agree with her for what it's worth, Skylar hate isn't very rational.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html?_r=0

It might not be rational, but why should it be? From the start I wanted Walt to make a tonne of money and survive cancer, but it's just not going to happen. I realised that as it goes on, and as it goes on, you understand more why Skyler's like she is. Sure, lots of us might want Walt to just breeze through this, but it wouldn't make for great TV would it?
 
Skyler haters tend to be the kind of people who don't even fully understand why Breaking Bad is so good and just like watching their hero Walt have badass drug adventures.


Innit. Or that the best moments in the show are the bits where he says really cool things in a threatening way.
 
I hope they follow up on the Star Trek script before the show finishes, it'll be really annoying if they don't answer that by the end.
 
Skyler supporters often stick to her reaction to finding out Walt cooks meth, which is a reaction most people if they think about it will get and empathise with her somewhat for (well apart from fecking Ted, because at least upto that point the audience thinks Walt is doing it for his family, while her affair is just vindictive), but they ignore that she was already a dislikable person before she found out- she was incredibly controlling and suspicious of Walt, who at least upto that point had not given her a real reason to act like a prison guard. Noone likes a controlling partner, whatever the gender.


There aren't really "Skyler supporters" Just people who don't hate a fictional character you're not supposed to hate. Who's been largely vindicated in show.

And I think it's more that "haters" tend to hand wave drug dealing & murdering being excusable but sleeping with someone else or being suspicious isn't. Because, you know, Walt's cool. He says cool things. He's the lead. Men. I like colours.

I think you were supposed to be rooting against her for the first two seasons, but by now, she should at the very least be understandable.
 
Skyler supporters often stick to her reaction to finding out Walt cooks meth, which is a reaction most people if they think about it will get and empathise with her somewhat for (well apart from fecking Ted, because at least upto that point the audience thinks Walt is doing it for his family, while her affair is just vindictive), but they ignore that she was already a dislikable person before she found out- she was incredibly controlling and suspicious of Walt, who at least upto that point had not given her a real reason to act like a prison guard. Noone likes a controlling partner, whatever the gender.

Walt had mentally and physically checked out long before she found out about him. He went missing for hours/days with no credible explanation, had a second cell phone and was acting like a completely different man; of course she had a reason to act suspicious.
 
There aren't really "Skyler supporters" Just people who don't hate a fictional character you're not supposed to hate. Who's been largely vindicated in show.

And I think it's more that "haters" tend to hand wave drug dealing & murdering being excusable but sleeping with someone else or being suspicious isn't. Because, you know, Walt's cool. He says cool things. He's the lead. I like colours.

I think you were supposed to be rooting against her for the first two seasons, but by now, she should at the very least be understandable.

I'd say that the hand waving to drug dealing and murdering is part of the audience's agreement with the show as part of the suspension of disbelief. Walt kills a man in self defence within the first episode of the show, a murder that was 'justified' just in the same way the cooking of the meth could be justified if viewed through the lens of the fact he's going to die and wants to leave money for his family because they are quite clearly skint. You are supposed to accept that death and drugs happen in the show.

But like you say, as you are supposed to be rooting for Walt in the first few seasons there is meant to be a moment where you stop and realise that Skyler is not the bad guy.. but she still does a few arseholish things that stop me from liking her- she is just more empathetic at that point- I don't hate her, but I still think she's a fairly bad person- at least compared to how she sees herself.

On the 'haters'/'supporters' thing, the people who I would classify as falling into these categories are the kinds of people who get into comment flame wars on the Breaking Bad facebook page or something. They offer very little to the debate outside a 'I HOPE SKYLER DIES' (you are right about them being the kind of people who just want to watch Walt's adventure uninterrupted) vs 'only sexist manshildren don't like Skyler, she's a strong woman and she is great' (the kinds of people who will ignore every bad thing Skyler does just because they want to like her)

anyway.
 
Walt had mentally and physically checked out long before she found out about him. He went missing for hours/days with no credible explanation, had a second cell phone and was acting like a completely different man; of course she had a reason to act suspicious.


I'm talking about at the very beginning. He had just turned 50, and gave her the explanation that he'd started smoking pot and needed to be given space- a perfectly plausible explanation that most people with a well adjusted personality after how ever many years of faithful marriage to the meekest, hardest working and kindest man in the world would have accepted.. instead she goes around to the drug dealers house.. because she's a controlling person.
 
She was more annoying in Deadwood.


Ah yes! That's where I remember her from. Yeah, she came across very cold in that too which probably played a part in getting her this role. I don't think she does sympathetic very well at all.

As far as her character in this goes the actress readily admits that Skyler was set up to be antagonistic and she needed to be to transform Walt from the emasculated sap he was in the first season to the scheming drug kingpin he has now become. Nobody remember the scene where she got Hank and Marie around the house to make plans for Walts post cancer future whilst completely ignoring his own opinion on the matter? She suggest that people dislike her character because she is Walts equal but their relationship was never set up that way. We saw a dying, desperate man being bullied at work and in his home life and the catharsis at first was seeing him stand up to that.
 
Speculation

I had a thought, imagine that over the rest of the series we see a few more of these flash-forward scenes (Walt in the cafe/going back for the ricin) but the show never actually reaches that point, it ends and then these scenes finish it off and everything makes sense. Its like we have seen the ending before if ends, but only when it ends do we understand it. Does anyone understand what I mean because I am having great trouble articulating this thought, its probably too early to be so high.
 
On the 'haters'/'supporters' thing, the people who I would classify as falling into these categories are the kinds of people who get into comment flame wars on the Breaking Bad facebook page or something. They offer very little to the debate outside a 'I HOPE SKYLER DIES' (you are right about them being the kind of people who just want to watch Walt's adventure uninterrupted) vs 'only sexist manshildren don't like Skyler, she's a strong woman and she is great' (the kinds of people who will ignore every bad thing Skyler does just because they want to like her)

anyway.


I don't know what's stranger, the fact there are weirdos like this that exist or the fact that sane people pay any attention to these "comment flame wars".

There aren't really "Skyler supporters" Just people who don't hate a fictional character you're not supposed to hate. Who's been largely vindicated in show.

And I think it's more that "haters" tend to hand wave drug dealing & murdering being excusable but sleeping with someone else or being suspicious isn't. Because, you know, Walt's cool. He says cool things. He's the lead. Men. I like colours.

I think you were supposed to be rooting against her for the first two seasons, but by now, she should at the very least be understandable.

Completely agree. She wanted Walt to get as far away from that aspect of the criminal underworld as possible because she felt it would destroy the family and put them all at risk, both of which have obviously come true and it's entirely necessary to have a character like this to stop the story from losing all sense of reality. She keeps the show somewhat grounded and acts as the inevitable moral opposition in a very dark, immoral world. It makes no sense to me to dislike a character that is clearly essential to the plot. If she wasn't there it wouldn't improve things, it would just make it ridiculous and lose its sense of gravity and intensity. Surely people find themselves agreeing with her POV at various points throughout the series, and that alone makes her a worthy character?

Besides all that she's turned into a bit of a badass from around the end of season 4 anyway. If she was just a ball and chain in the beginning - which I'm not sure I agree with - it's surely a bit silly to suggest she still occupies the same role now? People can't seriously be saying her character hasn't developed at all, can they?
 
Speculation

I had a thought, imagine that over the rest of the series we see a few more of these flash-forward scenes (Walt in the cafe/going back for the ricin) but the show never actually reaches that point, it ends and then these scenes finish it off and everything makes sense. Its like we have seen the ending before if ends, but only when it ends do we understand it. Does anyone understand what I mean because I am having great trouble articulating this thought, its probably too early to be so high.

That would be quite irritating, this isn't Memento.