She seems to be a creature of habit though, probably always sat at the same table, same time. It was always by the window. Could have easily grabbed a packet of stevia before they arrived, opened it slightly and poured some ricin in, then switched it with the pack at her table.
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She seems to be a creature of habit though, probably always sat at the same table, same time. It was always by the window. Could have easily grabbed a packet of stevia before they arrived, opened it slightly and poured some ricin in, then switched it with the pack at her table.
I don't get why people see it as a happy ending?
Walt and Hank are dead. Yes Walt got revenge but at the ultimate cost, it was a pyrrhic victory if it was anything.
Marie lost her husband and is estranged from her sister, she's basically alone as we never see her with other friends or family really.
Skyler lost her husband, her house, her livelihood and has trouble with the law.
Flynn will get the money but lost the person he respected the most and has to live in the shadow of his actions, Plus Vato hates him.
Holly will grow up with the stigma of who her father is.
Saul had to go into hiding.
Jesse may have had a 'win' by escaping the Nazi's and killing Todd but the emotional scars will haunt him forever, he's pretty much broken.
And that's what I think the show was about really, not whether all the Nazi's were killed but at what cost which means Walt had to win because otherwise the guilt of all that happened on the show would be shared with the Nazi's, this way we see Walt as the last man standing (kind of) so all the responsibility lands on his shoulders.
Or at least that's my initial reaction, just finished watching it and I think I may watch again later.
Walt and Hank are dead. Yes Walt got revenge but at the ultimate cost, it was a pyrrhic victory if it was anything.
Marie lost her husband and is estranged from her sister, she's basically alone as we never see her with other friends or family really.
Skyler lost her husband, her house, her livelihood and has trouble with the law.
Flynn will get the money but lost the person he respected the most and has to live in the shadow of his actions, Plus Vato hates him.
Holly will grow up with the stigma of who her father is.
Saul had to go into hiding.
Jesse may have had a 'win' by escaping the Nazi's and killing Todd but the emotional scars will haunt him forever, he's pretty much broken.
And that's what I think the show was about really, not whether all the Nazi's were killed but at what cost which means Walt had to win because otherwise the guilt of all that happened on the show would be shared with the Nazi's, this way we see Walt as the last man standing (kind of) so all the responsibility lands on his shoulders.
Or at least that's my initial reaction, just finished watching it and I think I may watch again later.
Great end to the best tv serried or movie I've seen in my life. They handled it just right. It was clear that the 3rd last episode was going to provide the shock value with the last two episodes drawing the curtains and grey did it really well.
It's over
It's over
There were some silly parts but there always have been with BB. I think people look for a bit too much realism with this show at times when it's not really supposed to have any, the whole thing is supposed to be a bit of a fantasy, the overall plot of the show was absolutely nuts after all.
The stevia was a bit much though, that was my main peeve with the episode.
The stevia was a bit much though, that was my main peeve with the episode.
I guess it's fair to say Vince Gilligan couldn't have pleased everyone, so many people were just so invested in the show. It was the perfect ending for me, like others have said Ozymandias was the true ending, and this was the epilogue.
Mondays will never be the same
Mondays will never be the same
To be fair, it's a very a realistic show. Crazy story yes but there's a lot of crazy shit happening out there.
Perfect last episode and perfect ending to the best TV series ever made.
Because Walt admitted that he did it all for himself, that he loved being Heisenberg and that it made him feel alive. He then got revenge on all who deserved it and died from a war wound in a meth lab, the only place he's ever really felt at home.
As already pointed out, she's a creature of habit by the looks of it. She sat by that table every time she met Walt as well, so he gambled on that happening still. Not sure how he got it in, but I'm sure he has his ways and there was only one package left (possibly because he removed the others), so she had to pick that one.
Visiting Skylar was important for him. Not sure what else to say about that. It was quite convenient that the DEA is apparently as useful as Miami Metro (the whole scenario seemed quite Dexter-like really) and seemingly completely incapable of looking after a house - that part annoyed me as well. But yeah, it was an unnecessary risk to take that only worked because the DEA didn't do their job (I'm assuming that they were looking after Skylar's house, seeing as she's a witness in a big case and not exactly safe with Walt being out there). On the grand scheme of things I'm inclined to let it go though, but it was definitely a weak point as I see it.
I don't agree with people that put The Sopranos on a pedestal but I do think it has much more replay value because it's much more layered. Breaking Bad has excellent acting and an involving storyline throughout, of course, so I'm not saying it's not layered in itself, but it is somewhat reliant on the tension built up and the subsequent shock value from not knowing what comes next. That's not really the case with The Sopranos at all, and overall The Sopranos has more to it as a show. None of this bollocks about how deep the acting and shit is though.
Although I don't think the ending had any sway on my opinion at all.
Yeah, I think people are just becoming more and more nitpicky the closer it came to ending. Perhaps the single most important moment in Walt "Breaking Bad" was when he killed Crazy 8, and how it came about was very silly. He looked in a bin and somehow spotted that a piece of the plate was missing. As if he looked at a bunch of broken pieces of plate piled on top of each other and worked out in his head that it didn't create a full circle. That's what Breaking Bad always was, it doesn't have anything to do with them taking leaps in logic to to rush things along in the final series.
Although I don't think the ending had any sway on my opinion at all.
Yeah, I think people are just becoming more and more nitpicky the closer it came to ending. Perhaps the single most important moment in Walt "Breaking Bad" was when he killed Crazy 8, and how it came about was very silly. He looked in a bin and somehow spotted that a piece of the plate was missing. As if he looked at a bunch of broken pieces of plate piled on top of each other and worked out in his head that it didn't create a full circle. That's what Breaking Bad always was, it doesn't have anything to do with them taking leaps in logic to to rush things along in the final series.
I was hoping for his brief appearance in jail to be met with an ego boosting ovation from the inmates, but I can't really complain.
Although there was the "blaze of glory" shoot out, at least it didn't end there. Yet it still had that Butch/Sundance feel to the ending.
After all the chaos, a serene final moment was the best that Walt could hope for. Not a violent end, or an undignified death from cancer.
There could have been an "all-in-the-game" type continuation of Blue Meth production, but this was Walt's story, not the game's.
Now what?
Although there was the "blaze of glory" shoot out, at least it didn't end there. Yet it still had that Butch/Sundance feel to the ending.
After all the chaos, a serene final moment was the best that Walt could hope for. Not a violent end, or an undignified death from cancer.
There could have been an "all-in-the-game" type continuation of Blue Meth production, but this was Walt's story, not the game's.
Now what?
I get that but I'm still not sure I'd call it happy when he has completely destroyed his family, he certainly went out on his own terms and his actions were as always selfish, but he had to care for his family still.
I chalked the plate thing up to Walt still being extremely paranoid about danger and being caught/killed and upon seeing the plate wanted to check it was all there.
As for the ricin thing, as has been repeated a few times now, Lydia always did the same thing so Walt gambled on that and it paid off. The shot where Lydia searched for the Stevia showed only one packet, which suggested that there was something important about it. Lydia and Todd also demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of how clever Walt was, with neither thinking that he didn't actually want to make a new deal and both thinking they'd outsmarted him by luring him into a trap to kill him.
For those of you who care, why not go back to the other time(s) Lydia was in that place and see if she sat at the same table?
Is it? As Brwned said, the Crazy 8 thing was silly, then you've the bath tub, the plane crash, the magnets, Gus, the twins etc etc.
Breaking Bad has always been about creating the ultimate TV drama full of suspense, action and emotion but in order to achieve those things there's always been a need to suspend some form of belief with it, the finale was no different.
I'm not sure why people are underwhelmed by the finale itself or feel that it was too predictable. What did you want them to do exactly? Not kill the Nazi's? Not kill Lydia? Not have closure between Walt and Skylar? Not have Jesse kill Todd? Not have Walt die? A few days ago these are exactly the things that everyone wanted to happen yet somehow now that they have, everyone is suddenly disappointed that they did.
Interesting tidbit from Gilligan -
The reason they had Walt place his watch on the pay phone was to ensure continuity since he was not wearing a watch during the flash forward. I reckon they could have let that one go!
The reason they had Walt place his watch on the pay phone was to ensure continuity since he was not wearing a watch during the flash forward. I reckon they could have let that one go!
Actually one thing, they never told us where he got the M60, did they?
Maybe I'm missing the point here, but the Sopranos had flawless acting for the most part. It's put on a pedastal rightfully.
I wouldn't rank Breaking Bad above the Sopranos (or the Wire for that matter) yet, but it's definitely in that echelon.
He got it from the shady arms dealer in the flashforward.
She didn't (apparently).
Walt does know how paranoid she was though, so maybe he made an educated guess about where she would sit (as far away from everyone as possible) or maybe there was some off camera slight of hand.
Yeah but we don't know who that guy was, how he got his number or anything. When first seeing the flashforward, I always assumed that Saul would perhaps give him a list of contacts or something.
Not a huge deal for me anyway, I hear in America you're never 5 feet away from a machine gun.
Not getting at you as you say you're not arsed really but I don't get why stuff like the gun REALLY matters? Like has been said, it's easy enough to get one, he had plenty of contacts to. If they showed us every little detail of his life the story would never progress.
He bought a pistol off him in S03, didn't he?
Skyler was always going to lose her Husband, really.
It was a good ending for Walt.
Just got a PM from theralyst with this link. Was the same table.
That was the best bit for me. That he was willing to admit that he actually loved it.
Awesome, I didn't realise.
Maybe I'm completely wrong but to me he was just telling her what she wanted to hear since he was never going to see her again. He's obsessed with how people will remember him, so he was being contrite so she would have a softened view of him, especially after he told her the truth about Hank. He also wanted to see Holly one last time, so pissing her off would have escalated it to an argument and he'd have been told to feck off.
No doubt he did enjoy the feeling of power towards the end of season one, but he definitely was obsessed with leaving money for his family, even when only Jesse was around.
Well you could say she lost him twice in a way, she lost him being there in her life because of the cancer but Heisenberg killed off the comfort she could take from the man he was.
I'm still not convinced it's as black and white as a good ending for Walt, it's more of a grey matter.
Didn't Walt even say that they met at the same time in the same place every week. The routine thing.
Depends on what a person finds 'deep' about a show, in my opinion. For me personally, I am absolutely obsessed with the human personality, so to see an entire cast pull off that sort of immersion with regards to their roles is about as deep as television gets. Pulling off the subtleties of development that the characters do in that show from as far into a make-believe character as they are makes them all geniuses in my eyes.
Realistically though, it got to the point last season whereby I couldn't legitimately argue any of them above Walter White (him and Tony Soprano are about as neck and neck as it gets). It's a different acting style for a less advanced setting (in my opinion) but the sheer extent of what he was pulling off was extraordinary. Was saying previously how I found a few of The Sopranos cast even more impressive but he was about 5 completely different people throughout that show by the end of it! How that was kept consistent I will never understand. Incredible. Impressive acting performances all round though mind you and I wouldn't like to speculate as to what Anna Gunn could and couldn't do as an actress. I'd love to see some of these actors in something more like the style of The Sopranos actually because I'm sure at least a few of them would be capable of that.
Anna Gunn in particular though really did go up massively in my estimations after that final season. Either she took it up several levels or I was absolutely brainwashed during the rest of the program by writers making an antagonist out of her.
As for the ricin/Lydia thing, I didn't really have a problem with that. The writers couldn't have really made it any clearer that she was a compulsively routined and anxious person, and I suppose it's not too much of a stretch to imagine Walt leaving just one, replaced Stevia packet in there. It all felt slightly rushed at that point but they had a lot to fit in, to be fair.
This felt more like an epilogue rather than a finale. After the last couple of episodes, I don't think we can complain. BB has always been a plot driven show in comparison to Sopranos, which was much more character oriented. So Vince Gilligan was always going to tie up every plot thread he could. Breaking Bad finale on its own is not a great end to this series but as a third part of last 3 episodes, it is a fine ending to a great series.
Love it! However he died smiling, Jesse set off into the night crying with laughter.
Tragedy and comedy is of course the same thing, so it's all good for me.
I think this episode was always going to have a "good" ending, because in Ozymandias basically everything that could go wrong did, so this was all about redemption for the characters.
I don't care about complaints about realism or it being a happy ending or whatever, but the complete lack of tension in the last half hour in a show that is renowned for it was a bit of a let down. Still a great final season and a great show of course.
We also need more massage chair appreciation.
We also need more massage chair appreciation.
They should've ended with a flashback scene like the one at the start of Ozymandias.
People are entitled to differ but I think it was a crap episode.
They really struggled to find anything interesting to do with Jesse this season too.
People are entitled to differ but I think it was a crap episode.
They really struggled to find anything interesting to do with Jesse this season too.
Perhaps he paid one of the minimum-wage dropouts working in the coffee shop $10k to give the ricin to Lydia? Perhaps he switched it whilst sat at the same table as her within easy reach?
Does it matter how he did it? It's obviously not an impossible thing to arrange, so the fact that he did it should be enough; why do you lot need to know exactly how everything was done and see it as being incredible if you're not walked through the explanation for absolutely everything?
Does it matter how he did it? It's obviously not an impossible thing to arrange, so the fact that he did it should be enough; why do you lot need to know exactly how everything was done and see it as being incredible if you're not walked through the explanation for absolutely everything?