Genuinely one of the best trailers I've ever seen.
Magnificent.
Magnificent.
Television Breaking Bad
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Where am I denying he continued out of greed or any other selfish reason? My point is that he got into this business for the sole purpose of helping provide for his family as his medical bills would drain any savings they had until then. It might be wrong but it's still a pretty noble cause in my opinion. That doesn't change even if somewhere along the way his motives to continue doing what he does changed for whatever reason.
A lot of people don't see that he's become the man he is because of this path he took. Or do you think that killing someone and all the other shit he's seen doesn't change a person? Not saying he's a good man now or anything, just that he's become who he is because he wanted to help his family initially. Wasn't he a devoted husband and father before his illness or was he a monster too back then? Experiences like he's been through can change a man, why do you think some war veterans can snap due to post traumatic stress? I'm not saying that "poor old Walt" had no choice in the matter by the way before a Wonder Pigeon comes flying into the thread. He chose to take this path but it changed him as a man.
Was just an idea but I don't think it'll be the shown in the next episode (the flashback).
But even his decision to go into the business was a selfish one. He was offered money by Hank & Marie, he was offered both a job and money by Elliot, but because of his own stubborn pride he decided he'd start cooking. At no point did he consider that it would be far more sensible, far easier, and far safer to accept one of the alternatives, he instead was solely concerned with his own pride and building an empire for himself.
He's become more violent and far scarier since entering the world of crime, but ultimately, everything he has done has been driven through either his own selfishness or greed.
No one thinks hank looks like brucie? They're the same person!
Well, this is the first selfish greedy bastard that doesn't want to accept money from others then... don't you see the contradiction here?
But the vast majority of the of those bad situations came because he selfishly carried on, they have nothing to do with his initial reasons of doing it for his family - and even then are you forgetting that way back in season one he gets offered a lucrative job and his treatment paid for by his old business partner. Straight after that his reasons became less noble and all about his need for some sort of legacy and power.
Considering Vince Gilligan has repeatedly said about the goal of the show was to change Mr Chips to Scarface, it should be pretty obvious whatever he noble intentions he once had a long time ago are well and truly shunted to the background by season 5. Walt repeatedly claiming its for his family surely makes no sense if you consider his actions and the danger he puts the family in.
That's immense, Cranston is a fecking boss, truly a wonderful actor.
Damn I love breaking bad.
That's where I have to disagree, offcourse they have something to do with it. He would have never been in the situation he's in had he not had cancer and felt the need to provide for his family in case he should die from it. At least that's my opinion about it...
He didn't become greedy until he was already involved in the meth business, hence the use of 'or' instead of 'and'. He was selfish to refuse the money because he didn't consider what would be best for his family, he only considered what wouldn't hurt his pride. He didn't get into meth cooking because he wanted to financially support his family, he got into it because he didn't want to receive charity. Hell, Walt didn't even want to seek treatment to start with because he was worried about his own loss of dignity, and not that his family would miss him when he died. Up until he gave Holly back in the last episode, I'm not sure Walt has done anything where his family are the primary beneficiaries.
He'd never be in the situation he was in if he'd just accepted the help offered by other people. If it was purely about helping his family he'd have just accepted that.
That's brilliant. It's going to be fecking weird when this is over.
That's a fake trailer. A FAKE!
Well, nobody's perfect, eh? No need to crucify him for that in my opinion, or me for that matter.
Having a different opinion on a BB character to the majority, feels like a crime in here.
The essential flaw in his character is his insecurity and how he lets things affect his ego, it's why he wouldn't accept help and why he needed to build an empire once he got into the industry. He clearly was doing it to leave money for his wife and children to live a better life once he was gone (the job opportunity and medical bills getting paid would still leave Skyler up shit creek once he dies), but then he let his ego get the better of him.
I'd just add that he was willing to give up the entirety of his wealth for the sake of his family in the end, because he tried to negotiate to save Hank's life because he a) still saw him as family even though he had disowned him and wanted to destroy him and b) he knew it would destroy his relationship with Skyler when she found out his actions lead to Hank's death. So he clearly still is acting in the interest of his family, rather than himself, even if he is morally abhorrent or at least completely misguided
Hank=chubby brucie?
Ne1?
Ne1?
You've basically just agreed with what I said but tried to spin it to make it like it was perfectly reasonable. The fact that he let his insecurity and ego get the better of him is precisely why he was selfish. It doesn't change the fact that the rational and sensible thing to do would have been to just accept help. He doesn't even care too much what others* think anyway, he just wants to know himself that he is the one responsible for bringing in the money; we saw as much when he was happy to spin the Elliot and Gretchen bullshit and pump money into Jr.'s website. The only actual opinions he cares about are those of his kids. The only time Walt has been concerned with someone not liking him has been with Jr. and in the future Holly, he was perfectly happy to let Skyler keep taking the blame for all of his feck ups and was perfectly willing to try and incriminate Hank.
As for the money thing, the last couple of episodes have seen everything crumble for Walt. All of his calculation and planning has come to nothing because of one stupid error, and as such he's made some rash decisions in his desperate attempts to cover his tracks. He's been adamant that he didn't want anything to happen to Hank, partly because he sees Hank as family, and partly I think because he took great pleasure in outsmarting him. To have him killed took both away from Walt, and so he did all he could to try and prevent his death. As you said, Walt knew that as soon as something happened to Hank because of him, Skyler would be gone, especially after the incident with the twins. Whilst he was willing to give up all of his money for the sake of his family, he was also doing it to save himself. Had he managed to save Hank, I have no doubt that he'd have used that fact to try and persuade Hank to drop the case, particularly as all of the evidence would have been gone.
Do you really think Hank would drop it? He gave himself up rather than let hank die, and when it came down to it he was willing to give the money up to save him too
Who the hell is Brucie?
I don't think Hank would have dropped it, but he certainly would have had more to worry about. The only evidence they'd have had would have been the confessions on the phone call to Jesse and Jesse's tape. The phone call stuff has probably been taken and destroyed by the Nazi's and so the only evidence Hank would have had would be the word of a junkie that he's had a previous altercation with. It wouldn't be hard for Walt to spin that as being unreliable on the grounds of Jesse's drug history and on the grounds that Hank could have intimidated him into giving a false confession - then of course there's the tape that Walt made accusing Hank. What would Hank have had? He'd have to start again and he'd have no way of getting anything resembling evidence.
I don't think any of that is relevant, because Walt was clearly acting out of emotion rather than taking a calculated risk of possibly getting away with it.
If you want to pretend Walt was being devious when he gave up his money for Hank, go ahead.
If you want to pretend Walt was being devious when he gave up his money for Hank, go ahead.
I don't think he was being devious; I agree that he was doing it purely out of emotion. However, I do think that had the Nazi's accepted the offer and walked off with Walt's money, he'd have made it clear to Hank how weak his case was - describing what I did in my earlier post - and attempt to persuade Hank to drop it.
I still think there's something more to this than us just being in your eyes 'the biggest fans of the show'.
Latest I can start really is 8am. It'll be my first induction lecture of the year which I need to attend.
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You're trying to make it seem like he wanted to save Hank for selfish reasons, when it was pretty clear that he just wanted Hank to live because he loves him.
All of the characters in Breaking Bad are a mixed bag, in the last episode Walt was clearly struggling to be a monster when it impacted his family- he does still care about them, and they are what drives him- far more than his own 'greed'.
All of the characters in Breaking Bad are a mixed bag, in the last episode Walt was clearly struggling to be a monster when it impacted his family- he does still care about them, and they are what drives him- far more than his own 'greed'.
I've said twice now that it was obvious that he attempted to save Hank because of emotion, I'm just trying to point out the ways in which Walt would have been benefited besides saving Hank.
yes but you also said that the first thing he did primarily for his family was give the baby back and are repeating the point about potentially getting away with it, even though it's unlikely to have been the primary concern in that moment. He just wanted Hank to live because he loved him.
You also missed the call where he was trying to get Skyler off the hook, btw. He did that entirely for her benefit.
I don't think he was thinking of his wider family though, just Hank. The phone call was an opportunity to vent as well though. Whilst it got Skyler off the hook, it also gave Walt the opportunity to give Skyler the big "feck you" that he's been wanting to give her for ages.
Oh ok, apart from where you say that you think he was considering the impact on Skyler and how that would affect his relationship with her.. He gave up the money for his family, of which Hank was a member and whose death would be a loss to him and everyone who Walt cares about.
The phone call was rehearsed, he scripted it out just like he did in the first scene- he's in the 'Heisenberg' character to show how far he's come at being able to lie when in character.. but we see that he's breaking down when taken off script because he is heartbroken at the situation. If he is venting it's not his primary concern at all, he's trying to help his family carry on without him.
The phone call was rehearsed, he scripted it out just like he did in the first scene- he's in the 'Heisenberg' character to show how far he's come at being able to lie when in character.. but we see that he's breaking down when taken off script because he is heartbroken at the situation. If he is venting it's not his primary concern at all, he's trying to help his family carry on without him.
You've played too much werewolf.
Anyone see the auction spoilers for the breaking bad props earlier today? Apparently a fair few objects were listed that revealed the fates of... pretty much everyone. But don't panic as it just seems to be an elaborate troll stunt.
Huells skeleton was kind of a giveaway.
I'd sell my Granny for Huell's skull.You brought up the effect on Skyler, I just referred to it. When Walt offered to give up his money in exchange for Hank's life, he did so to save Hank. He didn't do it to keep Skyler or anyone else sweet, he did it because he still cared for Hank.
As for the phone call, it was scripted but it was still his opportunity to vent all the pent up frustrations at Skyler. He could have easily scripted a phone call to get her off the hook without saying half of the things he did.
Alex, you are talking some absolute bollocks here, sorry. The phone call was a good way to vent his frustrations? Come on now, the man was emotionally drained from trying to act like he did against her.
Just because he couldn't handle it by the end doesn't mean it wasn't a good way for him to vent. I'm not the only one that thought it was cathartic for him.
Hank, who he keeps saying is what? his friend? his lover?
Walt repeatedly uses the word family in the episode because it is the thing that is at the front of his mind ffs he's doing things for his family, at least during this episode.
His intention with the call was to make it look like he'd threatened her into cooperation the whole time, by physically intimidating her, verbally abusing her and using her children as hostages, since he knew the police were there... I'm sure they'd have believed it if he'd acted like a decent guy over the phone, right? He wants the cops to think he's abusive so they'll be more sympathetic to her, and she was smart enough to realise it early during the call.
Walt repeatedly uses the word family in the episode because it is the thing that is at the front of his mind ffs he's doing things for his family, at least during this episode.
His intention with the call was to make it look like he'd threatened her into cooperation the whole time, by physically intimidating her, verbally abusing her and using her children as hostages, since he knew the police were there... I'm sure they'd have believed it if he'd acted like a decent guy over the phone, right? He wants the cops to think he's abusive so they'll be more sympathetic to her, and she was smart enough to realise it early during the call.
Alright, so it's possible that giving Holly back wasn't the first time Walt put his family first. That still doesn't change that the call was cathartic for him and that he has put himself first throughout the whole show, starting with his decision to cook meth rather than except help.
I reckon you've missed a trick. Have you not seen all the implying that Walt is a proud man. They even spell it out for you on numerous occasions. Why didn't Hank accept(*) help? Same reason. Why did Hank lie down in his final scene? Partly because he had a bullet in his leg, and also because he was too proud to beg for his life.
Yes Liam, Hank only lay down "partly" because of the bullet that was in his leg.
Partly.