Television Breaking Bad

Todd might be a sociopath but I don't think he or his uncle's kill for the pleasure of it, it's all very matter of fact, doing what is necessary however bad that is without empathy. So they'd maybe kill someone who's done nothing wrong to get what they want, but with Holly there'd be really no need for them to kill her and nothing to gain by doing so, its not like she could ever pin them to anything so they'd really be doing it for the sake of it. Even for Breaking Bad, killing a baby just for the heck of it would be a new descent into darkness. Although I do envisage a opening of the final episode where a crying baby Holly is the only one of her family left.

It would leave the door open for a sequel where Holly grows up, finds a tape with all the history and goes on a mission to destroy the Nazis. Sorry, but leaving the youngest one alive in a family has many a time led to a revenge plot.
 
I'm not watching this weeks episode and then I'll get a 2 hour special on finale night. Will be hard to avoid it but it will be worth the wait.


feck that. Avoiding this thread all day every Monday whilst I'm in work is hard enough, never mind a whole week!
 
I'm doing like JohnLocke, not watching this week's. No one watches it at work so I should be able to avoid spoilers. It's after the finale that I'm going to be avoiding Twitter and so on.
Yeah. I've booked the 30th off work as a spoiler precaution. I shall be watching in bed with a mug of coffee and a bacon sandwich.
Now that's dedication there! :lol:
 
25,200 votes and it still holds a 10/10. I don't think I will ever see a more emotionally draining episode of TV again. It was relentless and brutal.
 
just watched the four most recent episodes to catch up, what a show.

Could someone just refresh my memory and tell me in which episode walt is shown burying his cash?

I am just in awe of the meticulous writing and execution of this show, everything about it, the actors, the character development, the story line is just incredible.
 
While there is a part of me that can't wait for a conclusion to this incredible series, to find out how it finally ends for Walt, the other half of me can't comprehend how empty I'm going to feel when there are no more episodes to look forward to :(
 
25,200 votes and it still holds a 10/10. I don't think I will ever see a more emotionally draining episode of TV again. It was relentless and brutal.


The number of votes is miles higher than other episodes, too, most only have around 3,000-4,000.
 
It is, isn't it? Having wanted Walt to "win" the battle between himself and Hank for a long time, I am still shocked that Hank was killed. Gripping television.

If Hank was to die, I wanted it to be in a dog v dog scenario with Walt. I wanted Walt to be the one to pull the trigger, but only out of necessity in order to save himself. I didn't want some no-mark who only entered the show five minutes ago to do the deed.

Cue the "Oh, well Walt did kill Hank. His actions led to Hank's death" brigade to come rolling in.
 


It's a shame people need to see all those scenes together to be really endeared to Hanks character, myself included. He was a boisterous, arrogant alpha male but he was one of the good guys. I think the trouble we had becoming endeared to him was the fact he was the antagonist to Walts antihero. As Walts antihero strayed into being the Villain, while he should have naturally become a character you support but thanks to his previous rivalry with Walt when they had you rooting for him, it was always hard to be properly endeared to him.
 
Speak for yourself. Some have stuck by Hank through thick and thin, even during the difficult mineral period. Even post-toilet when he became a bit obsessed. He gazed long into the Walt and the Walt gazed into him.
 
Speak for yourself. Some have stuck by Hank through thick and thin, even during the difficult mineral period. Even post-toilet when he became a bit obsessed. He gazed long into the Walt and the Walt gazed into him.

I didn't say everyone but there's a hell of a lot of people that never "got" him. The relationship between him and Walt was interesting though. From laughing at a timid Walt being scared of holding a gun before he took him to that DEA raid where he met Jesse, through looking after him and seemingly being on the same level as the more confident Walt through season 2-4 and finally hating his guts in Season 5 pt 2.
 


Fantastically made. For what it's worth I've never hated Hank, I've just always wanted Walt to win. I've always wanted Walt to come out on top. Sadly it meant that it'd probably be an untimely death for Hank. That was also superbly executed (so to speak). He didn't even get to finish his last words, but that made it all the more dramatic. How many deaths do you get to say last words and say goodbye at the right time? Death is supposed to be sudden and they didn't do it in an overly-Hollywood way, they just got on with it. Outstanding episode by the way. It was almost in a separate tier of its own (which I feel this series is anyway). It's hard to see it as the same show as it used to be. It was about not being caught, making money, and Hank tracking down Heisenberg. Then roadblocks like Gus got in the way, so Walt was constantly avoiding death. But this season from the off has been about Hank and Jesse trying to take down Walt, and Walt trying to take the other two down.

As an aside, Time has become a greatly overused piece of music.
 
I just wanna know if..

We will see Gretchen? We all would have bet our houses on them 2 having an affair in the past during season 1, right?
 
It's a shame people need to see all those scenes together to be really endeared to Hanks character, myself included. He was a boisterous, arrogant alpha male but he was one of the good guys. I think the trouble we had becoming endeared to him was the fact he was the antagonist to Walts antihero. As Walts antihero strayed into being the Villain, while he should have naturally become a character you support but thanks to his previous rivalry with Walt when they had you rooting for him, it was always hard to be properly endeared to him.
I don't feel that way. The writing for the character and the acting by dean norris made the character very endearing.
 
Great montage and a good character for this show but I still don't like him just for the fact that he chose his job over family. I know I'll get some abuse for having this opinion but I just can't help to feel this way.

Some people are on his side because he has more integrity than Walt but I find it strange seeing thay everything Walt did he did for his family. Even when Hank had him in custody he didn't want any harm done to him.

Same can't be said about Hank and Marie, they didn't mind for one second destroying all family bonds as long as they could get back at Walt, they made it their life mission to destroy everything he's ever had.
 
Great montage and a good character for this show but I still don't like him just for the fact that he chose his job over family. I know I'll get some abuse for having this opinion but I just can't help to feel this way.

Some people are on his side because he has more integrity than Walt but I find it strange seeing thay everything Walt did he did for his family. Even when Hank had him in custody he didn't want any harm done to him.

Same can't be said about Hank and Marie, they didn't mind for one second destroying all family bonds as long as they could get back at Walt, they made it their life mission to destroy everything he's ever had.
Disagree with this completely. So what if Walt joined a terrorist organisation and bombed hundreds of people "for his family"? These justifications are stupid IMO. Walt is a complete nutter. He's a cold blooded murderer responsible for a heck of a lot of lives lost. Hank isn't choosing job over family, he's choose right over wrong, despite it involving a family member who is a bit of a maniac.

And again, "destroying all family bonds"? What sort of family are we been talking about? Your assessment of the situation seems to be very biased towards Walt. Everything he had, had to be destroyed.

Personally, I like Walt because all of this was never his intention and he started out trying to help his family, but since then he's turned into a remorseless killer/criminal, and I can't paint the rest of the world as bad for wanting to take him down and and make him out to bear victim.
 
Disagree with this completely. So what if Walt joined a terrorist organisation and bombed hundreds of people "for his family"? These justifications are stupid IMO. Walt is a complete nutter. He's a cold blooded murderer responsible for a heck of a lot of lives lost. Hank isn't choosing job over family, he's choose right over wrong, despite it involving a family member who is a bit of a maniac.

And again, "destroying all family bonds"? What sort of family are we been talking about? Your assessment of the situation seems to be very biased towards Walt. Everything he had, had to be destroyed.

Personally, I like Walt because all of this was never his intention and he started out trying to help his family, but since then he's turned into a remorseless killer/criminal, and I can't paint the rest of the world as bad for wanting to take him down and and make him out to bear victim.

Walt also cleaned up the entire New Mexico crystal meth supply by introducing and maintaining a virtually pure and comparatively very safe product. It's staggering when you begin to think about the amount of lives he's potentially saved through such an operation; easily enough to negate the moral cost of a one or two murders along the way.

It's the system Hank fought blindly for which forces criminality upon those just trying to get high in peace.
 
Disagree with this completely. So what if Walt joined a terrorist organisation and bombed hundreds of people "for his family"?
:lol: Come on man. He did some really bad things but everyone he killed/got killed was needed for him to get out of a very bad situation, no need to be so overly dramatic.

amolbathia100 said:
And again, "destroying all family bonds"? What sort of family are we been talking about?
Dunno, what about a father-son relationship for example?

Your assessment of the situation seems to be very biased towards Walt. Everything he had, had to be destroyed.
I'm not denying that, but why can't some people accept that there are lots of others still on Walt's side despite everything that has happened? If I had to guess a lot (if not all) has to do with him killing Mike.
 
I'll respond to those posts in a bit, vato.

But more importantly, I've finally decided who Hank actually reminds me of - brucie from gta 4.
 
Great montage and a good character for this show but I still don't like him just for the fact that he chose his job over family. I know I'll get some abuse for having this opinion but I just can't help to feel this way.

Some people are on his side because he has more integrity than Walt but I find it strange seeing thay everything Walt did he did for his family. Even when Hank had him in custody he didn't want any harm done to him.

Same can't be said about Hank and Marie, they didn't mind for one second destroying all family bonds as long as they could get back at Walt, they made it their life mission to destroy everything he's ever had.


Surely the whole point of Walt standing over a cowering Skyler and Walt Jnr was to reinforce the fact that he never really did it for his family. Time and time again he had opportunity to quit having achieved his initial goals. Instead he carried on for his own selfish reasons of wanting a legacy and an empire to look over.

No regard for the safety of his family - including Hank (who let's not forget nearly got killed by Tuco and then the twin's as a result of Walt's actions, then in the end meeting his demise thanks to Walt's connection). How anyone can watch season 3 and beyond and still think the family is Walt's motivation is beyond me. His justification maybe, but certainly not the motivation.

I also find your logic of "He only killed in bad situations" quite bizarre. Ok, with Krazy 8 and Gus he was in a kill or be killed situation. But a lot of his murders - planned or carried out by him have simply been to save his own skin from being caught, how is that in anyway more acceptable? So if someone say rob's a shop and then murders a co-accomplice who might rat them out, that's in someway justifiable?
 
I can't help but feel that the scene we saw at the beginning of Seaon five (first or second part, not sure now), where Walt goes back to his home and looks at the ''Heisenberg'' graffiti, will be the last scene of the show. Only question is whether Walt wrote his name on the blackboard in school in the very first episode. Walter White in the first episode - Heisenberg in the very last.
 
I can't help but feel that the scene we saw at the beginning of Seaon five (first or second part, not sure now), where Walt goes back to his home and looks at the ''Heisenberg'' graffiti, will be the last scene of the show. Only question is whether Walt wrote his name on the blackboard in school in the very first episode. Walter White in the first episode - Heisenberg in the very last.

No chance I reckon (and hope). I would assume that the scene with Walt going back to the house is the first (and last) time he returns there. Heisenberg was likely written by no one we know. The secret's out now. I expect getting the ricin is Walt's first port of call after the previous flashforward we've seen, prior to him Scarfacing everyone. Can't really imagine how that scene could work as the last in the show.
 
Surely the whole point of Walt standing over a cowering Skyler and Walt Jnr was to reinforce the fact that he never really did it for his family. Time and time again he had opportunity to quit having achieved his initial goals. Instead he carried on for his own selfish reasons of wanting a legacy and an empire to look over.

No regard for the safety of his family - including Hank (who let's not forget nearly got killed by Tuco and then the twin's as a result of Walt's actions, then in the end meeting his demise thanks to Walt's connection). How anyone can watch season 3 and beyond and still think the family is Walt's motivation is beyond me. His justification maybe, but certainly not the motivation.

I also find your logic of "He only killed in bad situations" quite bizarre. Ok, with Krazy 8 and Gus he was in a kill or be killed situation. But a lot of his murders - planned or carried out by him have simply been to save his own skin from being caught, how is that in anyway more acceptable? So if someone say rob's a shop and then murders a co-accomplice who might rat them out, that's in someway justifiable?

I disagree with that. I think that all along he has been so single minded about the fact it has all been for his family that he hasn't realised the damage it has caused his family. He's been so arrogant about how fecking smart he is that he didn't consider the fact that he could make a mistake and it could all fall to pieces and ruin their lives. It was only that very point that he is unwittingly holding a knife and standing over them in a threatening position that he realises the monster he has become and how they now view him. They don't see him as a man that provides, loves and protects them any more, they're shit scared of him.

That's why he grabs Holly, the last one who doesn't see him like that. Holly then says "Mama" and he realises he's just made things worse by taking Holly from her Mum and that's the final nail in the coffin for Walt the family man. I think with that time to reflect he realises that he loves them all and that he has to now do the right thing. He's going to clear the mess up before he dies, the interesting bit will be how he now feels towards Jesse. Will his time of reflection make him realise what he has put Jesse through and will he try to make amends?

I really do think that it'll be Jesse that kills him. Walt has nothing left to live for now, he'll take his revenge on Todd's crew and try to free Jesse and in turn give Jesse what he wants: Total freedom from the drug world and no more Mr White, Walt will get his quick death and everyone will get on with their lives.
 
I also find your logic of "He only killed in bad situations" quite bizarre. Ok, with Krazy 8 and Gus he was in a kill or be killed situation. But a lot of his murders - planned or carried out by him have simply been to save his own skin from being caught..
Firstly, I said "to get out of bad situations" so that makes this part of your post quite contradictory.

Secondly, where did I say they were "in some way justifiable"? I just said I was on his side, doesn't mean I agree with everything he's done. He's done it to get out of bad situations he got himself in by initially trying to provide for his family.

If Walt is such a sociopath and out of control, what does that make of Mike? Yet everyone thought he was cool, right?

And offcourse Walt could have stopped earlier when he reached his goal midway season 1, but that would have made for a very short TV series...
 
Vato, Walt explicitly states that the reason he doesn't want out is because he wants to build his own empire, something that he feels Elliot and Gretchen denied him. No mention of family. He might occasionally spin it that he's in it for the family but I thought it became obvious long ago that Walt's priority was himself.