Bowyer transfer listed!

Originally posted by giggzy:
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racist or not, the attack on Safraz was outta order... agreed?

how anyone can stick up for Bowyer and his crew is beyond me.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Agreed and I am not sticking up for Bow and his crew I am trying to be fair here and stick to the facts - the jury sat for 22 weeks and came to their decision. The end.
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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hey i didnt say i did it!

but i didnt say i didnt

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whatever you say. You're the boss now
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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Agreed and I am not sticking up for Bow and his crew I am trying to be fair here and stick to the facts - the jury sat for 22 weeks and came to their decision. The end.</strong><hr></blockquote>

do u agree with every decision a jury comes too?

:eek:
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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i dont believe that the attack would have been as vicious if the guy was white.


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Why on earth are you claiming this? Don't white people get viciously attacked every fecking single day???
 
Originally posted by The Future's White:
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whatever you say. You're the boss now</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey FW do you think Bo will come to his senses and pay up?

B4E
 
Originally posted by Billy Blaggs:
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I am not but the race thing pisses me off.
It is an easy target to attack.</strong><hr></blockquote>

so what?


they nearly murdered a student!!

have you ever been in a fight?

it takes more than one person to do what they did. its easy to run away when up against one person,(if in trouble....) You can't when a gang kicking the shit outta ya....


i don't care how provocative Safraz was, he didn't deserved to get the feck beaten out of him by a gang of wannabe hard men.
 
Originally posted by ChampionsElect:
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Why on earth are you claiming this? Don't white people get viciously attacked every fecking single day???</strong><hr></blockquote>

its just how i feel CE

when u look at the history of some of these guys and a previous attack on an asian who was just working at macdonalds u get the feeling there is racism amongst them.
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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have u ever heard a fight in complete silence?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly, and things are being said which might not have any relevance to the attack. When I was charged with racism after the fight the Asian bloke, I'm sure that at some point in the argument or fight I've told him to feck off, and I'm sure I used paki at some point. Just as I'm sure he was throwing insults at me. Does that make the fight an racist attack from me?
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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racist or not, the attack on Safraz was outta order... agreed?

how anyone can stick up for Bowyer and his crew is beyond me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not sticking up for Bowyer and his crew, I'm just saying that it pisses me off when people say it was racially motivated.
 
Originally posted by ChampionsElect:
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Exactly, and things are being said which might not have any relevance to the attack. When I was charged with racism after the fight the Asian bloke, I'm sure that at some point in the argument or fight I've told him to feck off, and I'm sure I used paki at some point. Just as I'm sure he was throwing insults at me. Does that make the fight an racist attack from me?</strong><hr></blockquote>

well you are obviously going to have mixed feelings over an issue like this if u have been mixed up in something similar to that degree.

imo it all depends on whether u meant it or not. did you?

i think bowyer is racist, involved in two attacks on two asians makes me think so.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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Hey FW do you think Bo will come to his senses and pay up?

B4E</strong><hr></blockquote>

I hope not. LUFC plc are bang out of order here.
What on earth is the point of "innocent until proven guilty, but guilty when proven innocent"

I'm with Bow, the fans are with Bow. I hope the club stop playing along with all the politically correct shite that's been in the media this week.

B4E is a certainty. If it's not Bowyer for Leeds, the wheels will be falling off the very quickly.
 
Originally posted by ChampionsElect:
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Exactly, and things are being said which might not have any relevance to the attack. When I was charged with racism after the fight the Asian bloke, I'm sure that at some point in the argument or fight I've told him to feck off, and I'm sure I used paki at some point. Just as I'm sure he was throwing insults at me. Does that make the fight an racist attack from me?</strong><hr></blockquote>


Britain is a racist society, i used to deny this but its the truth.


whether this attack was racially motivated is something we'll never know.
 
Originally posted by The Future's White:
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I hope not. LUFC plc are bang out of order here.
What on earth is the point of "innocent until proven guilty, but guilty when proven innocent"

I'm with Bow, the fans are with Bow. I hope the club stop playing along with all the politically correct shite that's been in the media this week.

B4E is a certainty. If it's not Bowyer for Leeds, the wheels will be falling off the very quickly.</strong><hr></blockquote>

ray fell from the leeds supporters club seems to be backing the club so i wouldnt say all fans are behind bowyer.

i dont see him going anywhere btw.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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they nearly murdered a student!!
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fecking students, they deserve everything they get..... ;)

(I'm joking before anyone jumps in screaming......)
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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so what?


they nearly murdered a student!!

have you ever been in a fight?

it takes more than one person to do what they did. its easy to run away when up against one person,(if in trouble....) You can't when a gang kicking the shit outta ya....


i don't care how provocative Safraz was, he didn't deserved to get the feck beaten out of him by a gang of wannabe hard men.</strong><hr></blockquote>

They did not nearly murder anyone ....Clifford did the beating and rightly got 6 yrs for it the others were also punished and Bowyer was innocent. What exactly is not clear about that?
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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ray fell from the leeds supporters club seems to be backing the club so i wouldnt say all fans are behind bowyer.

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Ray Fell's playing the political game along with the club. The people who pay to watch at ER and want the side to win know that without Bowyer, the team has a midfield which cannot create goals.

Ray Fell made his statement within 5 minutes of Ridsdale. Wonder how many fans he consulted before he spouted this out.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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They did not nearly murder anyone ....Clifford did the beating and rightly got 6 yrs for it the others were also punished and Bowyer was innocent. What exactly is not clear about that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

are u fecking serious marching?

do u seriously believe that one guy give that beating out?

:(
 
Even if i am a Lazio fans I am full of praise for the Roma fans who did something against the scouse fecks in Rome.And Bowyer dont have to be a racist because he happened to be in a fight.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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They did not nearly murder anyone ....Clifford did the beating and rightly got 6 yrs for it the others were also punished and Bowyer was innocent. What exactly is not clear about that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

i don't believe it was just one person that beat him up.... it doesn't work like that.
 
Originally posted by The Future's White:
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Ray Fell's playing the political game along with the club. The people who pay to watch at ER and want the side to win know that without Bowyer, the team has a midfield which cannot create goals.

Ray Fell made his statement within 5 minutes of Ridsdale. Wonder how many fans he consulted before he spouted this out.</strong><hr></blockquote>


yeah i can understand most of that but im watching sky news and there are quite a few emails coming in too.

with mixed feelings though.
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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well you are obviously going to have mixed feelings over an issue like this if u have been mixed up in something similar to that degree.

imo it all depends on whether u meant it or not. did you?

i think bowyer is racist, involved in two attacks on two asians makes me think so.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Meant what? To beat him up? Sure I did.

I'm not a racist though, I couldn't care less what colour, religion etc people have.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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Britain is a racist society, i used to deny this but its the truth.


whether this attack was racially motivated is something we'll never know.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You have finally got something right ....Britain is most certainly a racist society and it is topics like this that help perpetuate it.

I refuse to answer any more of your posts though Giggsy as you do not seeem to read mine. I suggest you read the trial transcripts and Justice Pooles comments as the the race issue then maybe comment with some knowledge of the facts

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Originally posted by giggzy:
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Britain is a racist society, i used to deny this but its the truth.


whether this attack was racially motivated is something we'll never know.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Show me a nation with mixed races that haven't got any racism.
 
where does this idea come from that sarfraz naheib "threw the first punch"?

according to testimony given in court, the drunk "gorilla" (one of woodgate's mates) was throwing and missing with a lot of punches out side the majestyk. he finally connected with one - a slap to the back of the head - at which point naheib instinctively threw one back. the judge said his actions amounted to nothing more than having "the temerity to try to defend himself"

so feck off with your twisting off the facts.

the only reason leeds fans can't see bowyer and woodgate are both racist thugs is because they fit in so well with the profile of their average supporter
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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are u fecking serious marching?

do u seriously believe that one guy give that beating out?

:( </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes! The jury sat for 22 weeks and came to that conclusion. Who am I to argue with that?
Najeib was in hospital 5 days and did not go into a coma...if he had been kicked by all them all he would have been in hospital for longer than that.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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Yes! The jury sat for 22 weeks and came to that conclusion. Who am I to argue with that?
Najeib was in hospital 5 days and did not go into a coma...if he had been kicked by all them all he would have been in hospital for longer than that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

marching if thats all your posts are going to include that "the jury came to that conclusion" then there is no point in discussing anything is there.

:rolleyes:
 
Bottom line, he arrival would only serve to undermine things at United. He's still a talented player. Let him go elsewhere.......
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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marching if thats all your posts are going to include that "the jury came to that conclusion" then there is no point in discussing anything is there.

:rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

the jury came out to the conclusion that OJ was innocent. ;)
 
Originally posted by elljay:
<strong>where does this idea come from that sarfraz naheib "threw the first punch"?

according to testimony given in court, the drunk "gorilla" (one of woodgate's mates) was throwing and missing with a lot of punches out side the majestyk. he finally connected with one - a slap to the back of the head - at which point naheib instinctively threw one back. the judge said his actions amounted to nothing more than having "the temerity to try to defend himself"

so feck off with your twisting off the facts.

the only reason leeds fans can't see bowyer and woodgate are both racist thugs is because they fit in so well with the profile of their average supporter</strong><hr></blockquote>


You talk bollox.....I was as horrified as anyone when I heard what players from my team were involved in. I have said all along they should be treated like any other person and punished accordingly. The jury sat and listened for 22 weeks to all the evidence and came to its decision so why cant we all except that and move on?
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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:( </strong><hr></blockquote>

And to get rid of racism it requires efforts from both sides. E.g. Asians have to stop shouting racism everytime they are vitcims of anything. Probably far more often than not, it has nothing to do with racism.
 
It seems to me that Bowyer is a very nasty piece of work and hardly a model employee. Getting drunk to the point of losing it is not ideal behaviour from an England International and keeping company with blokes who put people in hospital aint too clever either. At 19 years he is old enough to know better. You have only to watch his enraged face on the football field to recognise that he has a very low flash point.
I think Leeds are very wise to unload him though I doubt they will succeed.
 
Originally posted by Red Pat:
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I think Leeds are very wise to unload him though I doubt they will succeed.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i hear man city fans have been talking about him as a good signing over on thier forum

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...it' nice to see some man yoo fans actually talking some sense for a change (defending the REAL victim, sarfraz najeib). as for the rest of you leeds fans and convicted criminals, the word "bitter" comes to mind...
 
Originally posted by elljay:
<strong>where does this idea come from that sarfraz naheib "threw the first punch"?

according to testimony given in court, the drunk "gorilla" (one of woodgate's mates) was throwing and missing with a lot of punches out side the majestyk. he finally connected with one - a slap to the back of the head - at which point naheib instinctively threw one back. the judge said his actions amounted to nothing more than having "the temerity to try to defend himself"

so feck off with your twisting off the facts.

the only reason leeds fans can't see bowyer and woodgate are both racist thugs is because they fit in so well with the profile of their average supporter</strong><hr></blockquote>

numerous witnesses including the sober doorman said that Saafraaz punched the guy -hewison, and then danced round him like he was naseem hamed.
At this stage, the other members of the group saw what was happening and set off after him..

Although, been a white doorman, he's automatically a racist thug and should be ignored , should he not ?
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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You talk bollox.....I was as horrified as anyone when I heard what players from my team were involved in. </strong><hr></blockquote>

just check the postings on some other forums then. the typical leeds attitude seems to be "he had it coming", "i'd've done the same myself" and "okay, he might have been a paki bastard but that doesn't mean it was racist"
 
Originally posted by elljay:
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just check the postings on some other forums then. the typical leeds attitude seems to be "he had it coming", "i'd've done the same myself" and "okay, he might have been a paki bastard but that doesn't mean it was racist"</strong><hr></blockquote>

bit like this:

Originally posted by The Future's White:
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To be honest, I couldn't give a toss who thinks it was a racist attack or not. The fact that Najeeeb punched one of Woodgates mates to start the whole thing off pretty much says it all.

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sad.
 
Originally posted by elljay:
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just check the postings on some other forums then. the typical leeds attitude seems to be "he had it coming", "i'd've done the same myself" and "okay, he might have been a paki bastard but that doesn't mean it was racist"</strong><hr></blockquote>

Totally agree LJ and I condem anyone that posts such shit....there is a lot of it now on SquareBall and it is disgraceful.
Sarfraz did not deserve the beating he got and I have a lot of sympathy for him. I also feel sorry for him that he is now being used by the media to perpetuate this race issu.
 
Originally posted by Red Pat:
<strong>It seems to me that Bowyer is a very nasty piece of work and hardly a model employee. Getting drunk to the point of losing it is not ideal behaviour from an England International and keeping company with blokes who put people in hospital aint too clever either. At 19 years he is old enough to know better. You have only to watch his enraged face on the football field to recognise that he has a very low flash point.
I think Leeds are very wise to unload him though I doubt they will succeed.</strong><hr></blockquote>

In my line of work, we have many people coming through the criminal justice courts who have severe problems with substance abuse or anger control--usually expressed by slamming a car into a bus while loaded or pounding the wife because irritated. Within the confines of the criminal system our probation departments will monitor athe people through programs designed to address the isues. If Bowyer has the problems you describe, it is more in the interests of the Leeds club to "provide counselling" than to jettison an obvious talent or just take his money as "punishment."

Once again, referring to the criminal law system--until 18 the kid is a "juvenile" and unless found "unfit" for the juvenile system, treated differently than adult criminals. No offense to you Brits, but aren't a lot of your football players culled from the less-educated "working class?" If so, would it stand to reason that Bowyer is basically a young, undeucated, irresponsible kid with far too much independence and money for his own good?

Many of our younger pro athletes [in the USA]also fall into a life of substance abuse, fathering children out of wedlock, and violence (with more than a few homicides or brutal beatings thrown in). The fact is, and we might do well to remember this, that dispite the money and fame, they are a bunch of stupid little kids who frankly not only don't know any better, but have been so pampered and praised for athletic prowess that they really think they don't have to conform to societal norms.

Hell--if all Bowyer abused was alcohol and the only weapon used was his hands or feet, maybe he wasn't so bad after all.