Bowyer transfer listed!

I hope not. I hope the club kick the allegedly xenophobic little prick out of the club. Hopefully the allegedly racist member of teh NF will be out of football for good. Pathetic piece of allegedly white supremacist shite.
 
Originally posted by BennyF:
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I'm sure the maximum a player can be fined is 2 weeks wages....

I think Leeds want both players out but don't want their fans to think it is their choice but the players. Fine them stupid amounts hoping they'll reject it, then get rid...

Bowyers 4 week fine probably works out at more than Woodgates 8 weeks.</strong><hr></blockquote>

2 weeks fine is the maximum under the PL and PFA rules, but they have probably been fined for more than one offence, which then probably can be accumulated. I'm sure they have made sure they've done this in a legal correct manner.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>I hope not. I hope the club kick the allegedly xenophobic little prick out of the club. Hopefully the allegedly racist member of teh NF will be out of football for good. Pathetic piece of allegedly white supremacist shite.</strong><hr></blockquote>

How do you know he is racist? Do you know him personally?
 
Originally posted by BennyF:
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How do you know he is racist? Do you know him personally?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I never said I knew anything.
 
Originally posted by ChampionsElect:
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2 weeks fine is the maximum under the PL and PFA rules, but they have probably been fined for more than one offence, which then probably can be accumulated. I'm sure they have made sure they've done this in a legal correct manner.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He's also got 2 disrepute charges to face now and could be banned for up to 6 games.
 
The question other clubs must be asking themselves now is

"Is it worth improving our squad on the cheap by signing an allegedly racist, cowardly, violent, common fecking criminal? Who if said allegations are correct will no doubt lower morale, and potentially bring the club into disrepute by attacking members of the community when he's with his mates"

Or summat to that affect...
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>The question other clubs must be asking themselves now is

"Is it worth improving our squad on the cheap by signing an allegedly racist, cowardly, violent, common fecking criminal? Who if said allegations are correct will no doubt lower morale, and potentially bring the club into disrepute by attacking members of the community when he's with his mates"

Or summat to that affect...</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, that's bang on the money that Davo.
 
Why do they have to be racists because the victim happened to be an Asian bloke? Do you think it wouldn't have happened if he was white?
 
Originally posted by ChampionsElect:
<strong>Why do they have to be racists because the victim happened to be an Asian bloke? Do you think it wouldn't have happened if he was white?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Who's saying they are?

Not me....
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Who's saying they are?

Not me....</strong><hr></blockquote>

You and a number of others have implied it was a racist attack.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>The question other clubs must be asking themselves now is

"Is it worth improving our squad on the cheap by signing an allegedly racist, cowardly, violent, common fecking criminal? Who if said allegations are correct will no doubt lower morale, and potentially bring the club into disrepute by attacking members of the community when he's with his mates"

Or summat to that affect...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Or:

"Is it worth improving our squad on the cheap by signing an allegedly brilliant, young English footballer who has yet to reach his peak? Who if said allegations are correct will no doubt increase the competition for places in the team, therefore inspiring players around him to perform better in order to keep their place in the team."
 
Originally posted by ChampionsElect:
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You and a number of others have implied it was a racist attack.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No

I've heard allegations that the attack may have been racially motivated, and that Bowyer has a history of such incidents...

I've merely put forward these allegations for discussion...

I've never met Bowyer so have no idea what he's like..

He may be a nice bloke...or a racist little thug?

I simply don't know.....
 
Originally posted by BennyF:
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Or:

"Is it worth improving our squad on the cheap by signing an allegedly brilliant, young English footballer who has yet to reach his peak? Who if said allegations are correct will no doubt increase the competition for places in the team, therefore inspiring players around him to perform better in order to keep their place in the team."</strong><hr></blockquote>


I reckon they might just take recent events into account...
 
Originally posted by BennyF:
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How do you know he is racist? Do you know him personally?</strong><hr></blockquote>

How about because he beat the shit out of an asian in a McDonalds restaurant a few years ago? You know the club are now being sued for conspiring to pervert the course of justice (covering up), and their solicitor too. Here's another quote from today's paper "A judge ruled Bowyer's statements to police were 'littered with lies'" He got off due to insufficient evidence. He's also possibly going to be charged with
2 counts of misconduct by the FA with possible 6 match ban. This twat isn't worth much because of all this baggage.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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How about because he beat the shit out of an asian in a McDonalds restaurant a few years ago? You know the club are now being sued for conspiring to pervert the course of justice (covering up), and their solicitor too. Here's another quote from today's paper "A judge ruled Bowyer's statements to police were 'littered with lies'" He got off due to insufficient evidence. He's also possibly going to be charged with
2 counts of misconduct by the FA with possible 6 match ban. This twat isn't worth much because of all this baggage.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Is that the same paper that is saying Beckham's going to Italy, Keane is going to Celtic, United are in a crisis, Liverpool play attacking football? <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />

He also got banned for smoking puff while at Charlton but that doesn't mean he's a druggy.

He was found innocent........
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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How about because he beat the shit out of an asian in a McDonalds restaurant a few years ago? You know the club are now being sued for conspiring to pervert the course of justice (covering up), and their solicitor too. Here's another quote from today's paper "A judge ruled Bowyer's statements to police were 'littered with lies'" He got off due to insufficient evidence. He's also possibly going to be charged with
2 counts of misconduct by the FA with possible 6 match ban. This twat isn't worth much because of all this baggage.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So if I get in a fight and beat up a black or an Asian, I am therefor a racist.

It pisses me off that everytime the victim is not white, people claim it's racially motivated.
 
Details of another racially motivated attack(that Bowyer was involved in) were not submitted as evidence in the trial for fear it would unduly influence the jury.

Is it just me or is there a pattern here?
 
Originally posted by ChampionsElect:
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So if I get in a fight and beat up a black or an Asian, I am therefor a racist.

It pisses me off that everytime the victim is not white, people claim it's racially motivated.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're disagreeing with them you must be racist :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by ChampionsElect:
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So if I get in a fight and beat up a black or an Asian, I am therefor a racist.

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erm it wasnt treated as a racial attack, though it should have been.
 
Originally posted by ChampionsElect:
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So if I get in a fight and beat up a black or an Asian, I am therefor a racist.

It pisses me off that everytime the victim is not white, people claim it's racially motivated.</strong><hr></blockquote>

How about when it happens twice? Oh and btw Sarfraz Najeib's solicitor, who played a key role in the Stephen Lawrence case, also said a High Court prosecution would also bring evidence of a racial motive in the attack. So we should at least be able to agree that the victim in the case thought it was a racist attack.
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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erm it wasnt treated as a racial attack, though it should have been.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you're from leeds then you are! ;)
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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erm it wasnt treated as a racial attack, though it should have been.</strong><hr></blockquote>

To be honest, I couldn't give a toss who thinks it was a racist attack or not. The fact that Najeeeb punched one of Woodgates mates to start the whole thing off pretty much says it all.

As a Leeds fan however, the fact that Bowyer is listed is fecking devastating news and just about ends any hope of us winning anything. Since he got injured a few weeks ago, the team have performed badly and can't string 2 results together.

IF he leaves, someone will get a diamond for their millions.
 
From BBC:
Leeds United Supporters' Club chief Ray Fell backed the club's decision to place Bowyer on the transfer list.

"I am totally surprised by the news, as all fans of the club will be, but our main concern is what happens to the club," said Fell.

"Lee Bowyer has been a highly influential player for us, but the fans feel that the club must always come first."
 
Originally posted by The Future's White:
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To be honest, I couldn't give a toss who thinks it was a racist attack or not. The fact that Najeeeb punched one of Woodgates mates to start the whole thing off pretty much says it all.
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so its ok to put someone in hospital for 8 days then.

:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by The Future's White:
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To be honest, I couldn't give a toss who thinks it was a racist attack or not. The fact that Najeeeb punched one of Woodgates mates to start the whole thing off pretty much says it all.

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just what I was about to say.
 
I wouldnt be to worried if I were you, Ill bet he stays where he is, check this out...

As a result of this, Lee Bowyer will not be available for team selection by David O'Leary unless he accepts the club's disciplinary sanction."<hr></blockquote>

If he eats humble pie and accepts his punishment all will be forgiven.

As for you tossers winning the league, youve got two hopes

Bob Hope and

No hope

cnuts
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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so its ok to put someone in hospital for 8 days then.

:rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

....best ask the bloke who was convicted of gbh. It's not my normal night out, no.
 
Originally posted by The Future's White:
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....best ask the bloke who was convicted of gbh. It's not my normal night out, no.</strong><hr></blockquote>

anyone with a brain knows it was more than one person who attacked him.
 
Originally posted by The Future's White:
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....best ask the bloke who was convicted of gbh. It's not my normal night out, no.</strong><hr></blockquote>

or the leeds player who was convicted of affray, and is now being sued for damages?
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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How about when it happens twice? Oh and btw Sarfraz Najeib's solicitor, who played a key role in the Stephen Lawrence case, also said a High Court prosecution would also bring evidence of a racial motive in the attack. So we should at least be able to agree that the victim in the case thought it was a racist attack.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What was the racial motive?

As far as I see it was two groups of lads that starting having a go at each other. That can happen no matter what the ethnic background of the individuals are. Happens everytime people are out getting lagered!
 
At the end of the day, why should they be fined? They already owe Leeds about 1 million quid each for legal fees.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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or the leeds player who was convicted of affray, and is now being sued for damages?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not getting involved in this old bollocks. I saw the other threads where it was the couple of leeds fans saying well that's the end of that, the lads are not guilty blah blah, and all the scousers and scum who were baying for their dismissal.

This was about bowyer being listed, which is a total bastard in terms of the football ambitions of leeds
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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so its ok to put someone in hospital for 8 days then.

:rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

No, any attack is bad, be it racially motivated or not. What gets to me is that everytime the victim is asian, it is always claimed to be a racist attack.....
 
Originally posted by ChampionsElect:
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What was the racial motive?

As far as I see it was two groups of lads that starting having a go at each other. That can happen no matter what the ethnic background of the individuals are. Happens everytime people are out getting lagered!</strong><hr></blockquote>

We'll find out when he takes that to court - this story ain't over yet.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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We'll find out when he takes that to court - this story ain't over yet.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Seems that way. The big joker in the pack has been thrown in again. The Race Card. Loadsamoney if that one sticks.

Scandalous !!
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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We'll find out when he takes that to court - this story ain't over yet.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Probably isn't.

Do you think it was racially motivated?
 
Originally posted by ChampionsElect:
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Probably isn't.

Do you think it was racially motivated?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes. Here's what the solicitor Mr Grover said: "The family believe this verdict was perverse given the evidence, and that there is sufficient evidence of assault.

"Secondly, a significant part was racial motivation, and that was discarded in the trial. Fresh proceedings would have that racial element."

Mr Grover said solicitors would prepare papers to be served on the players and then a summons would be issued.

Given that we're talking about Leeds here, and Bowyer has been convicted of affray before for attacking an asian, and the position of this latest victim, I would say there are at least grounds for suspicion of racism. Proving it will be the tricky bit. I suspect they'll be after money. Whats more interesting in my opinion is that they after the club for trying to cover the whole thing up, which after the Duberry evidence would be quite credible.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Yes. Here's what the solicitor Mr Grover said: "The family believe this verdict was perverse given the evidence, and that there is sufficient evidence of assault.

"Secondly, a significant part was racial motivation, and that was discarded in the trial. Fresh proceedings would have that racial element."

Mr Grover said solicitors would prepare papers to be served on the players and then a summons would be issued.

Given that we're talking about Leeds here, and Bowyer has been convicted of affray before for attacking an asian, and the position of this latest victim, I would say there are at least grounds for suspicion of racism. Proving it will be the tricky bit. I suspect they'll be after money. Whats more interesting in my opinion is that they after the club for trying to cover the whole thing up, which after the Duberry evidence would be quite credible.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So based on what the lawyer said, you reckon it was racially motivated. Of course the lawyer would say that!

Here is how I see it. Two groups of lads were tanked up in (or outside) a night club. They started arguing, and all hell brakes lose when one lad from one of the groups hits a lad from the other group. One of them get a real beating.

This happens all the time, and I don't see where racism comes into it. I bet most posters on here have witnessed, if not been part of, fights like this.
 
In no way do I condone anything that Woodgate and Bowyer were party to in Leeds that night but some of the comments made on here sicken me. I wish you would all stick to the facts and stop spouting such shite.
 
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Got his just desserts now eh! ;)