Does sound like Boehly and his team are coming at this in a typical US franchise management style. Could be a novel way forward but also exhausting and an odd environment to what European coaches/managers are used to.
Boehly is going to ruin Chelsea (hopefully)
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I like this new model of spend a tonne of money without any idea how to make it work in the first window, sack the demanding manager, hire a novice who will be happy to be here and make him work with the players we have while selling off and profiting as much as possible over the next few years.
Its hope!
He is Woodward in the sense of a businessman meddling in football side of the club. Woodward also spent truckloads on big name targets.
But you are right that Woodward was nowhere this sacking trigger happy. Tuchel was gonna get sacked this season for sure, it is just the timing doesn't make sense.
Buiness man thinking he knows more about football than football people.
I miss the Chelsea of the early 80s, with any luck we'll see that again in my lifetime.
If he were Woodward, he would've never sacked Tuchel this early in the season and also would've never appointed someone like Potter.
Appointing Potter is like if Woodward hired Eddie Howe around 2017 or 2018 which had zero chance of happening at that time.
Appointing Potter is like if Woodward hired Eddie Howe around 2017 or 2018 which had zero chance of happening at that time.
Same as Abramovic then I guess.
The more I think about it, the more muddled the thinking is behind what Chelsea are doing here.
If Chelsea are really keen on building something for the long term, why get rid of Tuchel in the middle of a busy week, one week after the transfer window shuts? Why force yourself to do all that long term thinking in about 24 hours instead of over several months? Bringing in a manager where you're committing to at least 2 to 3 years no matter what happens requires serious due diligence. He may have potential, but Potter is a huge risk. If you not only bring in a manager like Potter, but build the club's senior management around him and it goes wrong, you are royally fecked (see United and Ole). So from a long term, empire building perspective, this is a terrible approach.
On the other hand, if the real concern is that this season is falling apart and you might miss out on top 4, why pick a manager with no track record whatsoever at this level? Potter is up against Pep, Klopp, ten Hag, Conte and Arteta, some real heavy hitters (plus Arteta). City apart, those other teams all have squads that are more or less comparable in quality. If it boils down to the ability of the coach to drag their teams through the season, you would have to put Potter flat last out of that group. That's not a reflection of his ceiling, which could be really high, its just a reflection of where he is right now, he's the manager of mid-table club. So from a short term, results focussed perspective, this is a terrible approach.
At this point in time my guess it that they'll go with Potter, make a big song and dance about it being a long term project but then ditch him at the first major wobble.
If Chelsea are really keen on building something for the long term, why get rid of Tuchel in the middle of a busy week, one week after the transfer window shuts? Why force yourself to do all that long term thinking in about 24 hours instead of over several months? Bringing in a manager where you're committing to at least 2 to 3 years no matter what happens requires serious due diligence. He may have potential, but Potter is a huge risk. If you not only bring in a manager like Potter, but build the club's senior management around him and it goes wrong, you are royally fecked (see United and Ole). So from a long term, empire building perspective, this is a terrible approach.
On the other hand, if the real concern is that this season is falling apart and you might miss out on top 4, why pick a manager with no track record whatsoever at this level? Potter is up against Pep, Klopp, ten Hag, Conte and Arteta, some real heavy hitters (plus Arteta). City apart, those other teams all have squads that are more or less comparable in quality. If it boils down to the ability of the coach to drag their teams through the season, you would have to put Potter flat last out of that group. That's not a reflection of his ceiling, which could be really high, its just a reflection of where he is right now, he's the manager of mid-table club. So from a short term, results focussed perspective, this is a terrible approach.
At this point in time my guess it that they'll go with Potter, make a big song and dance about it being a long term project but then ditch him at the first major wobble.
Ambramovic hired football people like Emenalo etc
Emenalo left in 2017. Marina was in charge of day to day stuff and she was not a "football person". The brought Cech in a few years later as a go-between.
So you''re saying he was there for many years then. Only after many years of being in football did the team start to act like they knew football
We were very successful with "non-football" people making big decisions. Of course they made terrible ones (Shevchenko being the first big one I can remember) but they were smart enough to eventually learn and hire the right people.. I don't see why this new lot can't do the similar.
Boehly isn't ruining Chelsea with this appointment.
Potter is outstanding and I was torn between wanting Ten Hag and Potter in the summer.
They battered us in their last 3 games against us and when you look at the players at his disposal it's quite remarkable the level of performance he's managed to get.
Potter is outstanding and I was torn between wanting Ten Hag and Potter in the summer.
They battered us in their last 3 games against us and when you look at the players at his disposal it's quite remarkable the level of performance he's managed to get.
No one said they can't.
It's obviously easy to paint a picture in hindsight but the stories coming out don't seem too far fetched. Asking Tuchel to explain his tactics, wanting to buy Ronaldo as the new shiny toy associated with the new Chelsea.
The fact that Tuchel is one of the least diplomatic coaches out there probably accelerated the process (because, let's face it, result wise it's mad they sacked him). I can absolutely imagine his pure disgust when being asked to explain why Ronaldo shouldn't be bought
The thing is, as long as he doesn't let the money rain dry out they will continue to be up there. Too many examples in football that even when owners are clueless, the scattergun approach works out eventually because the quality of the players remains the biggest factor to success in football.
The fact that Tuchel is one of the least diplomatic coaches out there probably accelerated the process (because, let's face it, result wise it's mad they sacked him). I can absolutely imagine his pure disgust when being asked to explain why Ronaldo shouldn't be bought
The thing is, as long as he doesn't let the money rain dry out they will continue to be up there. Too many examples in football that even when owners are clueless, the scattergun approach works out eventually because the quality of the players remains the biggest factor to success in football.
It's obviously easy to paint a picture in hindsight but the stories coming out don't seem too far fetched. Asking Tuchel to explain his tactics, wanting to buy Ronaldo as the new shiny toy associated with the new Chelsea.
The fact that Tuchel is one of the least diplomatic coaches out there probably accelerated the process (because, let's face it, result wise it's mad they sacked him). I can absolutely imagine his pure disgust when being asked to explain why Ronaldo shouldn't be bought
The thing is, as long as he doesn't let the money rain dry out they will continue to be up there. Too many examples in football that even when owners are clueless, the scattergun approach works out eventually because the quality of the players remains the biggest factor to success in football.
I don't see why that's necessarily a bad thing, especially from a new owner. Obviously depends on how it's done though.
He wasn’t demanding. He was indifferent. He took the extra responsibilities not because he wanted them, but because he didn’t want anyone else to do them.
Going by their own financial plan in the structure of the purchase they won’t be drawing a profit from Chelsea for like .. a decade. They arent the Glazers. For starters they did t have to borrow money to buy the team. They won’t be waiting to see each dividend statement.
On the contrary, rather than let the obvious problem fester they are willing to spend 20 million to fix it ASAP.
Good residence
James Corden at the latest game with Todd...
I need to support a different team now
I need to support a different team now
Hopefully your new centre forward
He suits the role of goalkeeper I think..
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Obviously not. If they wanted a portly talentless egomaniac with the physical stamina of a nursing home patient to play up front, they'd just recall Lukaku from Inter.
I think they will be fine. Put it this way, I would have Ted over the Glazers every single day.
Obviously, using the Glazer family is not a metric to measure if an owner is suitable for a football club. But Chelsea have already been smart enough to identify that Potter is a manager whose stock is rapidly rising. In a year or two we would have had Spurs, maybe Arsenal, Liverpool, maybe even United all considering Graham’s services.
Football fans are fickle of course. It only takes one poor transfer window for supporters to vent their frustrations. But so far, I wouldn’t say that the new Chelsea regime have done anything so alarming as to doubt them.
Time will tell.
Obviously, using the Glazer family is not a metric to measure if an owner is suitable for a football club. But Chelsea have already been smart enough to identify that Potter is a manager whose stock is rapidly rising. In a year or two we would have had Spurs, maybe Arsenal, Liverpool, maybe even United all considering Graham’s services.
Football fans are fickle of course. It only takes one poor transfer window for supporters to vent their frustrations. But so far, I wouldn’t say that the new Chelsea regime have done anything so alarming as to doubt them.
Time will tell.
Yep. I'm a little confused by the Woodward comparisons unless it's just blindly following Gary "I pick and choose when accountability is morally acceptable" Neville's throwaway comment.
There's defiently been some rawness there but he even knows that himself hence the relentless search for football people in that position. There's also a quite clear plan of building the team through young players being academy boys or sourced and the appointment of a manager who on paper is the perfect guy to implement this idea (compared to the time we tried a similar approach a decade ago when we appointed Mourinho to oversee it).
All the signs are what we are doing is an upgrade on the previous regime (of the last decade that is). For example Lukaku was set to get another chance had they remained.
They're in real trouble.
Nature will always find a way to restore balance.
I wonder if opinions have changed a bit now?
Bit like fans knowing better than football people
Chelsea fans were chanting for Tuchel and Abramovich
Weird bump
Quoting a post from September?
Anyway hes doing a great job, hope it continues on this trajectory.
Nope - I wasn't around then and haven't seen that quote before, it's true though!
How so?
A 4-0 nil pasting at City, side ravaged by injuries... The last person I'm thinking of is Boehly.
Plus this is par for the course for Chelsea. Periods of peak over performing before a return to top 4/6 base level, occasional drop down to midtable. Coincides with how frequent they sack and hire managers.
Hmm, interesting thread title. The transfer window was a total disaster, that is becoming clear.
As for Tuchel, Potter and injuries, multiple factors.
As for Tuchel, Potter and injuries, multiple factors.
Out of the cups and a league campaign going nowhere? All the right ingredients for a Chelsea Champions League win. Only thing that is missing is a manager sacked in January followed by the inevitable new manager bounce who'll be sacked again by the end of the year. It's the Chelsea way.
Let's hope they pulled the trigger on Tuchel too soon and they stick with Potter for the remainder of the season. Can see him gone after the first leg against Dortmund but it might be too late by then.
From the shed end. Little harsh? Don't think it's too wrong either
Really strange decision not letting him see out the season at least. Was there a queue of clubs fighting for Potter's signature?
Really strange decision not letting him see out the season at least. Was there a queue of clubs fighting for Potter's signature?
There hasn't been one good decision made by these new owners. They are absolute shambles these days.