That's why I think Potter would be wise to turn the offer down, but who knows.
Boehly is going to ruin Chelsea (hopefully)
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That's why I think Potter would be wise to turn the offer down, but who knows.
Yeah the guy is a brilliant coach. It is the only appointment they could realistically make that would annoy me.
Just got a Football Manager feeling. Someone with to much free time playing game, but this time in reality.
I think they know who their DoF is going to be. I could be wrong.
The people he sought to advise him and helped him go through things like our bloated books saw Marina to the door.
You know, with our wonderful academy, we JUST started creating development plans for the players as part of their contracts? Prior to that they existed just to join the “loan Army”. Do you think Boehly is wrong to want something d
Cech left out of loyalty to Marina.
I don’t think all the signings do fit just Tuchel. Fofana and Kk have both played in a 3 and 4 man back line. Sterling can play a load of systems. The young talent does not look picked by Tuchel at all. Aubamayang only cost …7m? Cucurella can play in a 3 or 4, and fits a more positive setup like Potters over Tuchel.
If owners are building a project, they want THEIR people. Maybe Tuchel sensed that would never be him. But if they were giving him a chance to prove it should be… he has been failing miserably. And not just on the pitch. He has become toxic. There just isnt a good relationship or a lot of trust there. So then, what point putting off the inevitable?
So, scenario (purely hypothetical): say we come out of this with Edwards or one of the other two candidates we have been consulting as our DoF. They signed off on Potter as manager, and he takes over (they don’t have to already have the job to do this, Boehly talks to all of them weekly apparently). The scouting department and academy setup is completely revamped, and everyone in the building is on the same page as to the type of football we want to play.
Would you see that as a failure?
What surprises me is the number of people that thought they should have come in and just started giving money to all the same people, like only the name on the Cheques changed.
Yeah, very bizarre indeed. Woodward seems more qualified as compared with him from CV. Well, who knows. He is co-owner and can do whatever he wanna do.
It’s amazing that Ronaldo is causing problems and divisions even at clubs he has nothing to do with
Reason you have to play a back 5 is because you have a lot more quality back there than in midfield or attack.
Say you play a midfield 3 and 3 in attack, who are you picking? Then you have one injury who comes in? It’s spread so thin already.
I’ve seen so many excuses for your new owners actions it’s ridiculous. If what you say is true he shouldn’t be appointing a new manager, or even sacking Tuchel until he has his team in place, advising him
I appreciate you will want to paint this positively but there’s no way on earth this has been planned and is part of some masterpiece by Boehly.
Why isn’t the DoF in place yet? What’s taking so long? Why is there strong rumours Boehly wants to be very much involved in the football side of things himself?
Why sack Tuchel now? Why not do it in the summer as soon as it was clear the values didn’t align? Why pick up his players like Aubamayang as late as deadline day?
Who has been picking the new players if not Tuchel?
Too many questions and not enough answers.
Hiring Potter without a detailed process and considering other candidates would be another strange decision. Another rushed and cobbled together venture much like the transfer window. It really does smell of incompetence.
As I say though it may all fall together but let’s not paint this as anything other than a circus currently.
In the same boat we were after Sir Alex, Mike Pelhan and David Gill left. Now need to get that organised top back to get anywhere near the top 4 again.
So Boehly a) pays a termination fee to Tuchel and b) pays 16m release clause for Potter?
No he isn’t.
Ours is vastly different if for no other reason than we have changed owners and the rumour was that some of the old board had to leave. Bohley hasn’t changed much on the football side of things ( well not till today) most of the support personnel such as Neil Bath are still in place.
Scott McLachlan is the scout who has left ( not scouts) it was announced that he was leaving before the takeover but he delayed his departure to help with the transfer window, most of the targets including the youngsters wer3 identified by his team.
As I posted earlier Sky sports are suggesting that Marina G and Petr Cech are both involved in the team that are meeting with Potter tonight. I knew that Marina was still around Cech I though had left the building.
Not planned ? You know that how ?
DOF as was posted this earlier I think they already have a name and if the rumours are right welcome home !
Who has been picking the players it certainly wasn’t Bohey although it suits many agendas to say it was. Try looking at earlier posts. Marina and Scott McLachlan for two were involved .
None of us have a clue how they identified Potter or indeed who else was considered but if you just think Bohley just woke up this morning and though I know I will sack TT today and I know I will speak to Brighton about Potter then you are naive in the extreme.
Common sense would say it wasn’t planned. In particular the timing.
Unless you really believe they’ve spent all summer going after players for Tuchel, including Aubamayang on deadline day, whilst trying to integrate a host of new players in to Tuchel’s style of play during pre season only for Boehly to have been thinking all along he was going to sack him the day after the team return from Zagreb?
No one has an agenda. We’ve been saying all summer your window was chaotic. Tuchel has been moaning and Boehly has clashed with everyone since he arrived.
Looks like we were right and now here we are.
Oh no...
Anyway
Anyway
It's way too early to predict something like this.
Tuchel wasn't their guy to begin with, maybe they have someone in mind for the way they want to play and would give that manager more time than any manager has had in the past for Chelsea. And if not then Chelsea has a history of winning with a revolving door.
Tuchel wasn't their guy to begin with, maybe they have someone in mind for the way they want to play and would give that manager more time than any manager has had in the past for Chelsea. And if not then Chelsea has a history of winning with a revolving door.
I hope Chelsea get to experience the wonders of life under an American franchisee owner. Alas, I do think their experience wouldn't be comparable to ours given that Boehly already went against the first rule of Glazernomics 3:18 "Thou shalt not dip thy hand into thine pocket, lest it be for the purpose of signing a dividend for thyself"
Lets hope so
If they sign Potter then the players will not accept him at all. Their players are very entitled and self righteous, and Potter hasn't really achieved anything in football. Furthermore, Boehley and his gang won't accommodate him
He's the interim sporting director and has been guiding Chelsea throughout the summer. Such a bizarre situation.
I know the thought that you might be in the same kind of wasteland as United was post SAF is scary for you and I understand that you are trying to cling to the hope that it's not going to happen, but in reality your most successful era was when Abramovich was your owner. Most likely that era is over - it would be a miracle if the new owners can replicate it, and so far it doesn't look very promising - shambolic displays on and off the pitch only add to the instability and negativity around the club. Sure, no two situations are the same, but the grand picture might turn out to be very similar to what has been happening at United post SAF.
my first post here was that they will be fine, but if the above is true, I might have to reconsider
Ronaldo to Chelsea in Jan probably on the cards then?
A lot now coming out which paints Boehly in a negative light. I expect there will be more too from the Tuchel camp.
Don’t forget the American salary caps, trade and rookie systems are a universe away from Football and it’s half baked seldom enforced FFP.
If they are still in the CL.
The American salary cap doesn't apply to baseball (Dodgers). It's more like FFP with the fines. But you can go as high as you want, but the fallout apart from fines, is that you lose your spots in the draft (a way to acquire young talent through your scouting). However, the Dodgers are run the best in literally every facet to overcome that. Amazing scouts (both from a prospect/youth or professional level perspective) and amazing at youth development once they have their talent. Also great at managing finances/roster both in the short term and long term. Also amazing with analytics. Any department a club can excel at, they excel at.
The problem with this is that a major reason why they're so good at this is because they hired the best guy at his job. And it's not necessarily because the ownership group was so competent that they found him. For all we know, they could have had a handful of available talents to choose from and got lucky with him (who then also hired many other great general manager/DOF type talents to help him out). Some have tried to replicate him, but haven't been able to do so. It's like trying to find the next Klopp or Pep. There are many up and coming coaches, so even if you follow the same path, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll get someone as good as them.
I don't think there is a comparable person in football. And I don't think they're so much richer than everyone else that others can't compete for the same non-player talent. For example, Newcastle just got Dan Ashworth from Brighton. As we know, there are now multiple state funded clubs, apart from the biggest clubs. So there is always going to be big clubs able to snatch away your talent.
Watch Matt Laws interview. I wrote about it in the Tuchel thread. It explains quite a bit. The “Plan” to integrate Tuchel into the “New Chelsea”, get him to work collaboratively off the pitch, communicate back and forth with multiple people on transfers and be really involved, help wrote game-plans and paths for youth players to have a chance of coming through…. It all starts to fail by mid Summer. The relationships really deteriorated in the America trip, and the rant after the Arsenal loss was telling.
They were naive to think Tuchel would really want to do any of this. Chelsea was run like an empire under Roman, and Tuchel was one of the only managers that really liked it. He does not care about long term projects, and he doesn’t want to answer questions s about why he made certain player decisions.The decision was apparently made around deadline day, when Boehly went behind Tuchel (they weren’t speaking at this point. They had not met or spoken since Leeds) to press Gilmour on why he was leaving (which is about what we all had heard). Boehly did the same thing with Broja earlier apparently, and it pissed Tuchel off.
Law says they’ve known for about two weeks they wanted to do this, but wanted to get through deadline day and have things set up.
Tuchel apparently took it very well, and possibly knows he isn’t cut out to work with this team.
Whether people agree with the approach or not, Chelsea want (and I agree with Matt, I hate this word) “holistic” approach with open communication and collaboration throughout the club. They die t two entire weeks fixing how non-footballing staff were “treated”. It’s similar he says to how Man City is run, which I’ll have to read up on now, because I’m not familiar.
The two parties just don’t fit what the other wants. Chelsea want someone who wants to be involved in multiple levels of the club, and at least places a priority on communication.
Tuchel wants an experienced squad and he wants to be left essentially alone to coach them to a trophy THAT year. Next year is next year.
He will and should find a spot like that soon… after enjoying some parachute money.
Chelsea, whether they knew it, wanted someone like Potter (if he comes) all along.
edit: this explains Aubamayang as well. People were like “if they want him JUST PAY THE MONEY” but towards the end they were doing inquiries on people like Leao again and they wouldn’t budge on Auba. Auba was one of the only targets Tuchel WAS vocal and asking about regularly, and they had painted themselves into a corner. If Barca hadnt agreed to the 7.5 plus Alonso … I’m not sure that deal happens. It probably shouldn’t have happened. But here we are.
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That's an impassioned post.
If Boehly's stance on open communication was true, he should have started off explaining to Tuchel at the start of the regime change what he wanted from him, and if Tuchel was on board? The difference in approach would have been glaring right then and there, and Tuchel could have left before pre-season started for Potter to come in.
Instead, Boehly played politician and waited for results to get bad before he threw Tuchel out & concocted this spin to media that everything was planned in advance to save himself from disgrace. Abrahamovich was predictably ruthless. This guy is confused at a Woodwardian level.
Also, exit interviews are common & it's astonishing Boehly trusted Broja and Gilmour over backing Tuchel if that bit is true. Looks more like he was building up a case to discredit Tuchel.
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Boehly isn’t the sole owner. At the beginning ALL the owners met with Tuchel and explained what they wanted. Maybe all he heard was “more control”
Apparently he even tried using the WhatsApp to attend meetings on targets, etc. but eventually it all started to wear on him… and apparently he was going through a divorce, or had just gone through a divorce at the same time?
From the players side he apparently got short tempered and frustrated with everything. He recently gave a snarky quote about “finally getting back to just training in the pitch”
Boehly wasn’t trying to push the players.It wasn’t a matter of trust. Tuchel was supposed to explain things like wanting to get rid of a player, and he flat refused. That simple really. So Boehly went to ask Gilmour what was going on.
I was nice in that post, mostly because I was just paraphrasing Matt Law, but if owners give you that much, and back you with 300 odd million Dollars, if they want an opinion on a path for an academy player, or they want to ask why they are supposed to be selling a player … you answer the question.
If Tuchel had little role to play in transfers & if Tuchel couldn't give a reason why he got rid of Gilmour, why did the Boehly simply not stop the sale of Gilmour, particularly if he had a plan to sack Tuchel anyway?
Chelsea have always had a DoF/directors handling transfers and coach taking care of just the coaching. I'm really surprised there was a major miscommunication on Tuchel's expected role that lead to this. Or maybe Tuchel thought "I can handle this" and then realized "no way".
Secondly, Tuchel was annoyed by how hands-on Boehly and Behdad Eghbali intended to be with first-team matters and did not take kindly to being asked to explain his tactics and selections.
This is from Jason Burt. Asking tuchel to explain his tactics
This is from Jason Burt. Asking tuchel to explain his tactics
It's not the first time a new owner has hastily moved on the manager that wasn't their hire. Bit of a non story.
Potter would not turn down Chelsea nor should he. He might be fantastic there so I hope it doesn't happen.
But this is all good for us. Them being down an excellent manager and less likely to recover to a top four spot.
Secondly, Tuchel was annoyed by how hands-on Boehly and Behdad Eghbali intended to be with first-team matters and did not take kindly to being asked to explain his tactics and selections.
This is from Jason Burt. Asking tuchel to explain his tactics
@Bluelion7 what about this?
RE the rest thanks. You do post some quite interesting stuff. Obviously written from the owners insight whilst there are now things leaking from Tuchel who was apparently ‘exasperated’ at having to continually explain himself to Boehly.
The truth I feel will be somewhere in the middle. It seems clear Boehly wants to be hands on and very public in his role. I know you Chelsea guys won’t like it but that, along with his antics in the transfer market, show many parallels to Ed Woodward and how he started off at United. If anything it’s slightly worse especially if he’s directly involving himself in tactics and pestering the head coach.
It may all settle down and this could well be him finding his feet but none of what’s been going on at Chelsea up to this point seems to be part of a strategy or calm planning.
He is like the billionaire owner version of Ed Woodward.
Maybe; maybe not. The desire to sign Ronaldo certainly supports the comparison.
The main issue with Woodward wasn’t so much that he started off inexperienced and clueless, but that he seemed totally incapable of learning from his mistakes and kept on making the same ones over and over again for seven years. He was allowed to get away with it because the equally clueless owners weren’t bothered as long as the numbers looked ok.
It’s different with Boehly because firstly it’s his money that’s at stake; secondly, he’s first among equals in a consortium. Unless his fellow investors are as passive as the Glazers they will surely be up for challenging his decisions.
Because Woodward famously spent a truckload and sacked people early?
He's the bizzaro Woodward if anything.
So Khrestiano Ronalod to Chelsea in January then.
We did spend a lot with Woodward running the football side and it almost always was wildly over expensive, seemingly without any long term plan, which seems to describe your transfer window.
The sacking people early point is fair though, Woodward would be a coward and wait too long to sack managers.
Any time you get someone who knows feck all about football starting to make decisions about the football side, as Woodward did and Boehly seems to be doing , it's a worry.