Boehly is going to ruin Chelsea (hopefully)

TheReligion said:
Yeah I’m not what the idea behind the Dewsbury-Hall signing was. Very Drinkwater feel about it. I can only assume Gallagher was keen to move and wouldn’t have been happy as a rotation kind of option. When you lay the money down though it’s a hard one to fathom.
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Initially he wasn't though. He was desperate to stay at Chelsea but accepted a move in the end when it became clear he wasn't in the club's plans.

On one hand I get it. With Caicedo, Enzo and Lavia being the main guys in midfield it would have been a real waste to limit Gallagher to the kind of role KDH has when he's very much capable of being a key player in a system that emphasizes on the qualitie he has.

But the club still handled the whole Gallagher situation very poorly, and to then waste the money on KDH was insane. Any minutes Dewsbury-Hall has played (mainly in the Conference League and EFL Cup) could easily have been given to some academy graduate or one of the many young midfield players the club have on the books like Chukwuemeka, Casadei or Santos.
 
Rnd898 said:
Initially he wasn't though. He was desperate to stay at Chelsea but accepted a move in the end when it became clear he wasn't in the club's plans.

On one hand I get it. With Caicedo, Enzo and Lavia being the main guys in midfield it would have been a real waste to limit Gallagher to the kind of role KDH has when he's very much capable of being a key player in a system that emphasizes on the qualitie he has.

But the club still handled the whole Gallagher situation very poorly, and to then waste the money on KDH was insane. Any minutes Dewsbury-Hall has played (mainly in the Conference League and EFL Cup) could easily have been given to some academy graduate or one of the many young midfield players the club have on the books like Chukwuemeka, Casadei or Santos.
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While I do agree the club was the main driver in selling Gallagher I do feel he may have gone anyway once Simeone showed interest.

Imagine trying to sell him the idea of being the utility player (which he would have been the system we play now) coming off a season Poch has treated him like he's Messi and Simeone is going in hard for him.

Was the correct move for all parties.
 
I still think kdh will create his own space in our squad. Yes so for he was erratic and rushing things too much. Once he settled he will come good.

Trying too hard to prove in my opinion. Has good technique to break the lines,good ability to pass and dribbling too and has good shot in his armour.

Will have to wait and see because have good basic techniques and hard worker too.
 
Rajiztar said:
I still think kdh will create his own space in our squad. Yes so for he was erratic and rushing things too much. Once he settled he will come good.

Trying too hard to prove in my opinion. Has good technique to break the lines,good ability to pass and dribbling too and has good shot in his armour.

Will have to wait and see because have good basic techniques and hard worker too.
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He'll most likely end up being sold very quickly. I don't see him still being here next season. He offers very little. We have academy kids who can take up his squad place and we'd be no worse off quality wise and better off in terms of the development of our own prospects.
 
Rajiztar said:
I still think kdh will create his own space in our squad. Yes so for he was erratic and rushing things too much. Once he settled he will come good.

Trying too hard to prove in my opinion. Has good technique to break the lines,good ability to pass and dribbling too and has good shot in his armour.

Will have to wait and see because have good basic techniques and hard worker too.
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He'll never displace the starting midfielders we have anyway unless they're injured for long periods. Like Scott Parker back in the day, if he actually wants to play he'll need to go elsewhere.
 
Mb194dc said:
He'll never displace the starting midfielders we have anyway unless they're injured for long periods. Like Scott Parker back in the day, if he actually wants to play he'll need to go elsewhere.
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I don't think he need to replace one of them. We needed someone like him who has all the skill sets to shine happy in bench. May be I am wrong but next season we can't play same midfield like now every game in pl. Hopefully he will be ready for that challenge when time comes.
 
WeePat said:
He'll most likely end up being sold very quickly. I don't see him still being here next season. He offers very little. We have academy kids who can take up his squad place and we'd be no worse off quality wise and better off in terms of the development of our own prospects.
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May be you are right but I still think he will come good. Will see.
 
Rajiztar said:
I still think kdh will create his own space in our squad. Yes so for he was erratic and rushing things too much. Once he settled he will come good.

Trying too hard to prove in my opinion. Has good technique to break the lines,good ability to pass and dribbling too and has good shot in his armour.

Will have to wait and see because have good basic techniques and hard worker too.
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Maybe you could loan him out in January to get him some proper game time, maybe Ruud will take him for 6 months
 
With all the money spending = showing a will that he wan to achieve something....a lot.

High high and top willing to win and achieve top goals. Like the russian owner Roman.

Over 200 millions on CM players.

And Cole Palmer. I knew he had something while he was scoring in the Charity match for City before he joined Chelsea. That goal was so precise " A sniper goal " Mahrez and Robben at the best level.

1 year to gel the team together. Starting with Pochettino in the last matches of last season. Where Chelsea started to climbed to table in the end of last season. And Chelsea just continue the top level of consistency this season.

Not my money. Not all money was well spend. But young upcoming boys and players that run a lot. Athlete and really quick.

Things take times. With the 2 200 cm duo and + Palmer (on top and world class level of football now ) You are meant to become a top team. The top ingredients are there.

And every top teams need to have world class player in the team. At least.


Chelsea have Palmer. Top cm duo
Liverpool have Salah
Real Madrid : Bellingham, Vincious

City and Pep : Rodri and Kevin De Bruyne. Without Rodri and De Bruyne is on the decline = weakness appear with City

United is lacking and United do not have any world class player in the team. Big reason United is not a top team, right now. Compare to Chelsea. X factor player in Palmer. A big difference player.

To be top and world class team. Get to have a world class player in the team. The minimum or requirement.
 
TheReligion said:
Yeah I’m not what the idea behind the Dewsbury-Hall signing was. Very Drinkwater feel about it. I can only assume Gallagher was keen to move and wouldn’t have been happy as a rotation kind of option. When you lay the money down though it’s a hard one to fathom.

I still can’t really get behind the way your club operates in the market if I’m honest. It must be a killer seeing home grown players develop elsewhere. Hall being another example recently, to add to Liveramento, picking up international caps.
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FFP makes club operating that way

KDH £30 millions divided by 5 years is about £6 millions per year

Gallagher £35 millions is pure profit since he is an academy player and costs £0

So Chelsea nets £30 millions FFP wise

You will see this next year with Chabolah as well . He is not necessary worse than Diasi but worth more FFP wise so he will be sold.

Will happen to more upcoming academy players unless they are very good and can fight for a place in the first team
 
123PlayCard said:
FFP makes club operating that way

KDH £30 millions divided by 5 years is about £6 millions per year

Gallagher £35 millions is pure profit since he is an academy player and costs £0

So Chelsea nets £30 millions FFP wise

You will see this next year with Chabolah as well . He is not necessary worse than Diasi but worth more FFP wise so he will be sold.

Will happen to more upcoming academy players unless they are very good and can fight for a place in the first team
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Its such a shortsighted way to operate. Yeah, you got 30m extra last year. But you have 6m cost on your budget next season that wouldn't have been there otherwise. I'm inclined to say that getting as much from Dewsbury Hall as you got from Gallagher is far from a foregone conclusion.
The premise that FFP forces you to do this because its such a clearly superior way to operate seems severely overblown to me, if not outright bullshit. If changing the rules to spread the sale of academy players over 5 years is necessary then so be it but it just seems like protecting teams from shooting themselves in the foot. It feels like it shouldn't be necessary.
 
caid said:
Its such a shortsighted way to operate. Yeah, you got 30m extra last year. But you have 6m cost on your budget next season that wouldn't have been there otherwise. I'm inclined to say that getting as much from Dewsbury Hall as you got from Gallagher is far from a foregone conclusion.
The premise that FFP forces you to do this because its such a clearly superior way to operate seems severely overblown to me, if not outright bullshit. If changing the rules to spread the sale of academy players over 5 years is necessary then so be it but it just seems like protecting teams from shooting themselves in the foot. It feels like it shouldn't be necessary.
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Wages also. Gallagher is on more than twice what KDH is on.

Don't get me wrong, the FFP rules are an abomination and I would rather have kept Gallagher.
 
Chelsea are basically what Man Utd want to be. With so many top young players it was inevitable they would grow up and settle into the premier league.
 
duffer said:
Wages also. Gallagher is on more than twice what KDH is on.

Don't get me wrong, the FFP rules are an abomination and I would rather have kept Gallagher.
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Yeah, i'm oversimplifying to be fair and his wage demands sounded pretty steep. Maybe in this particular example it was a sensible move for everyone. I dont like the thinking behind it more broadly than having issue with this particular example.
 
caid said:
Yeah, i'm oversimplifying to be fair and his wage demands sounded pretty steep. Maybe in this particular example it was a sensible move for everyone. I dont like the thinking behind it more broadly than having issue with this particular example.
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It really was. It would have been stupid to cave to his demands or lose him on a free. And KDH was a much needed body before the opportunistic transfers of Felix and Sancho. I think the original plan was to just to add Neto and KDH.
 
PlasticRed said:
Chelsea are basically what Man Utd want to be. With so many top young players it was inevitable they would grow up and settle into the premier league.
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Utd could have done it without borrowing billions of dollars or previously Russian oil money.

The Glazers been taking money out, Utd have been very profitable for decades. Just had owners lining their pockets instead of putting it all in to buying every wonder kid they could find.

Clearlake want to sell us for a big profit obv, eventually, and they've borrowed massively to do it. They're not actually taking anything out, there's nothing to take.
 
Mb194dc said:
Utd could have done it without borrowing billions of dollars or previously Russian oil money.

The Glazers been taking money out, Utd have been very profitable for decades. Just had owners lining their pockets instead of putting it all in to buying every wonder kid they could find.

Clearlake want to sell us for a big profit obv, eventually, and they've borrowed massively to do it. They're not actually taking anything out, there's nothing to take.
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Yeah I feel like we’ve just crammed 5-10 years of investment into a couple of years. Our spending won’t be anything like it has been going forward. This squad can stay together for nearly a decade with minor tweaks and the odd world class signing.

It was a bit shock and awe but I can kind of see the plan now, especially with the reduced wage bill. I still think we’ll see significant sales to balance the books over the next year or so.
 
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If this Corden loving prick buys us a top GK and central defender in January he'll be on the right track.
 
NoLogo said:
It's actually funny that the dude that went shopping with a wonderkid short list he downloaded from fm-scout is doing better transfer business than we do.
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Amazing isn't it? Mind you I think they lucked out with Palmer, I think if he gets injured they quickly roll down the table. I don't think they're good enough to challenge Liverpool sadly, but of the remaining crowd left, I'd prefer it to be them.
 
NoLogo said:
It's actually funny that the dude that went shopping with a wonderkid short list he downloaded from fm-scout a best-in-class scouting team that he assembled, is doing better transfer business than we do.
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Perro Caca said:
Amazing isn't it? Mind you I think they lucked out with Palmer, I think if he gets injured they quickly roll down the table. I don't think they're good enough to challenge Liverpool sadly, but of the remaining crowd left, I'd prefer it to be them.
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You don't really watch chelsea this season to say that. I have seen a lot of united fans have convinced themselves that the only thing separating them from chelsea this season is Palmer.
 
I laughed when they went transfer crazy but it’s paying off. They have a great squad and I’m starting to think they can win the league this season. Most likely the best challengers now to the Dippers.
Fair fecks to them and for me, I’d rather they win it than any of the others. Arsenal falling again is just wonderful.
 
duffer said:
Wages also. Gallagher is on more than twice what KDH is on.

Don't get me wrong, the FFP rules are an abomination and I would rather have kept Gallagher.
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Think moving on Gallagher was a good call as even though he played well last season that Chelsea midfield unit felt a bit samey with the three of them all doing the same thing pretty much and the ball taking too long to get to the forwards.

Now with it being Caciedo, Lavia and Palmer they all have defined roles and being on the bench for a couple of games has given Enzo Fernandez a kick up the rear area and he's now finally playing in the prem like he does for Argentina.

There's clearly more clarity to Chelsea's play and formation than the confused picture that was presented up to April last year. Some of it just maturity from likes of Jackson, others moving on likes of Gallagher and Sterling who had their limits and perhaps with some luck Chelsea have stumbled on a good formula currently.

Maresca quickly deciding after three games Mudryk wasn't worth relying on also another good call.
 
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