They're obviously very good players on their day but not as good they're talked up to be at times.
Bluemoon goes into Meltdown
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You do realise there is a difference in being called shit and being called overrated?
As for being Top Class, of the top of my head I can think of 10 better players than him who have played in the Premiership alone.
I didn't say there wasn't so not sure what you are getting at.
And that is relevant because? I don't understand how people can say he is over-rated. He is a brilliant defender and people say he is brilliant, a fair rating. Nobody is saying he is the second coming.
I know your point but historically no club prior to Chelsea received sugar-daddy levels of money so as to reverse fortunes to such a staggering level. Going pack through the history of the game, it was on-the-pitch glory that led to sustained success. Liverpool were in the second division in 1959 without many funds. It took 15 years of promotion and reasonable success for them to become a top English club built on authentic foundations.
Of course 10 years on Chelsea now have an infrastructure that's less reliant on one man's money but that doesn't remove the original reason why they are up there amongst the elite.
My point is the term World Class gets over used so much these days that its now become meaningless. Komapny is far from World Class, his name won’t come up when people talk about the greatest CB’s to play in the Premiership let alone the game.
Is he a good player? Yes, is he one of the best to play in the Premiership? Hell no. Is he overrated? Of course he is.
As for calling him a brilliant defender, no, he’s very good but in no way would he have played in front of players like Vidic, Rio, Stam, John Terry, Sol Campbell or Tony Adams to name but a few.
De Gea had to make three saves when it was 11 vs 11, two of which I thought were fantastic, yes. We obviously have different definitions of what a fantastic save is which is perfectly fine, but what a stupid and pointless thing to quote and disagree with me over. My main point was that City were better when it was 11 vs 11, had one penalty call that I was sure was a penalty and two I am not sure about and that they were deserved victors.
Ok. Where did I say Yaya Toure didn't sign because of money? I said money and trophies. He only would have signed if both of those were on offer. Two Premier League titles and two domestic cups later, as well as a very healthy bank balance, he's being vindicated in his decision.
Interestingly, Rooney is now the highest paid player in the league according to virtually every newspaper report. Are you going to suggest he is at United only because of money as well and accompany that with a little laughing green smiley? Doubt it.
No Club in a competitive league can guarantee you trophies.
That's true of any player of that level though. Falcao is on stupid wages, Di Maria is on £280k a week and Rooney is on God knows what.
I never said they could. I said City could offer a realistic chance to win them, which we did and are continuing to do.
I think the cnut is only here for the money. If United hadn't thrown that ridiculous amount at him he would have been off at a time when we needed him most.
FFS, why people in here defending City? This is the meltdown thread! Seriously, fcuk off and let us laugh you bastarding cnuts.
Yet still you've the same number of wins as us in Europe this seasonYeah, playing in the competition your squad couldn't qualify for.
Please, think before you type
Don't be so pedantic. I made it quite clear in previous posts I was referring to the chance to win trophies.
How do you know this?
He's a Liverpool fan so obviously he knows it.
It was in the Guardian. It's obviously impossible to be certain though. It's a better dource than 'Bleacher Report' anyway and unless I missed your post I didn't see you question that!
You may be shocked to hear this, but I don't memorise all your posts.
If you're going to discuss something, it's probably best to know what point he's trying to put across though!
City fans have points?
You don't have to, that's why there's thing called a thread which records every post someone makes. If you're going to make a point about something someone has said, it's generally helpful to read what they've posted.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
City are a good team who ridiculously underperforms in Europe. Now the meltdown please? City discussion can be done elsewhere.
Why? What did United do that makes you think they deserved something? Watching the game I felt City created more both when it was 11 vs 11 (with De Gea having to make three saves when it was 11 vs 11, two of which I though were great) and 11 vs 10. The stats back this up as they are City 17 shots to Uniteds 9, City 6 shots on target to Uniteds 2. You can hardly blame the ref either as he seemed determined to keep United in the game by refusing to give City a penalty, two of which I am not 100% sure about and would have to watch again and one of which I was very sure about and the sending off was absolutely correct also. Late on City began to get nervous and dropped back to defend and hold on to their result which was wrong as it let ten man United back into the game and to grow in confidence and that was when United started to look better as the pressure was gone and they had nothing to lose. City played better for the majority of the match and that is why they were deserved victors for me. City were not particularly great (they are not a great team in general which is shown every single year by their performances in Europe) but they didn't have to be to have been better than United on the night or indeed to have deserved the result in that game.
Because this is a United forum and she is a United fan. Being a neutral I agree with you, but I doubt you'll find other United fans agreeing on here.
Too much discussion in here. You're all ruining a thread that's supposed to be funny. Just feck off to the serious thread.
Firstly if you are going to say something and someone disagrees with you they will respond. That is the idea of a forum. So get of your high horse. Secondly on your "main point" City bring better with 11 v 11 is debatable as we were running the game in midfield but granted City were looking a danger with Augero. To say you were the better team is a stretch. And remind me as I genuinely can't remember so I may be wrong but how many of those penalty claims/chances were after we went to 10 men?
Yeah, I thought we were better 11 on 11.
Two of city's penalty shouts came after Smalling got himself sent off.
Don't feck with the gatekeeper, he'll Japan your arses.
Thank you Mitchell kind sir.
I think a lot of People need to remember that this is a United forum and if they dont
It wasn't just United fans who thought City were pretty lack lustre.
How lackluster they were is irrelevant - City were more deserving victors, which was the point. Neither side were at their best.
Deservedly down to ten men so I do not see what your point is. The rules were applied properly. United are not so special that they are above having a man sent off. You were struggling with their attacks and hence why Smalling had to foul and why they had so many penalty shouts.
I am not a City fan. As for the penalty claims when you were down to ten men, what is your point? You were deservedly down to ten men and one of them was definitely a penalty. The fact is that you are making excuses for not being able to beat a team that regularly gets knocked out in the group stage of the CL (going out in three of the last four seasons) and loses to the likes of CSKA Moscow and Ajax and Napoli. City are not a great team by any stretch, but once again they have come out on top vs United (like they have in 6 of the last 7 encounters, racking up some very heavy scorelines along the way). You should have no problem beating such a team and the fact you have to make excuses for not being able to beat them is worrying.
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Hmm. Little bit wummy dragging up irrelevancies such as United's recent historical record against City and their uselessness in Europe as a barometer of United's quality. Especially pre-Moyes.
Indeed.