Actions are going to speak louder than words, so far I like what they’ve done.
Bloomberg: Jim Ratcliffe on plans for Man Utd
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Actions are going to speak louder than words, so far I like what they’ve done.
yeah trying to steer clear from some of the threads in the football forum because it’s a complete shitshowYou can win more than that on the fecking lottery these
I think that’s a key phrasing though. You equate being a billionaire to some sort of lucky ticket. Why would you wake up a multi billionaire tomorrow? Perhaps your position would be different if you had said ‘if I worked to become a multi-billionaire over the next 20 years’.
People have a totally different attitude to money they have made and money they are given. The average person would give away millions to friends and family if they won the 100m on the lotto. If they devoted their whole lives to becoming the world’s best footballer, put in all the hours, took the injury and abuse that comes with it, and earned 100m, it is highly unlikely their first instinct would be to go through their phone books saying ‘hey, I just received my salary, what are your account details?’
Brought up in a council house. Utd fan.
Hated in here because he got off his backside and made a success of his life.
….there’s some proper arseholes on this thread.
Hated in here because he got off his backside and made a success of his life.
….there’s some proper arseholes on this thread.
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Righto, bored now.
As much as I agree with Radcliffe....he really needs to show that he can do better before complaining all the time. Right now he has done absolutely nothing. Sign some good players for a decent price...then you can mouth off
It's the sad state of modern English and British culture.
Nobody in here (or anywhere) hates him for that reason.
This sentence should be placed above the counter, and on the inside of jax doors.
Tread carefully, duffer.
He isn’t already?
It's true though. Total nonsense to suggest that's why he's not liked.
It is one thing to be a billionaire, it’s another thing to be an asshole.
I can see our fans flying out INEOS out banners after a disappointing summer transfer window. They talked all the talk but doesn’t seem to show any qualities that makes us believe they could bring us to success.
Why would any City fan have wanted us to be fully taken over? Every City fan will have been delighted that the Glazers took the offer from Sir Jim and stayed in charge of the club.
Its quite ridiculous that after 18 years of Glazers out protests there so many Man Utd fans were happy for them to do a deal that kept them in and pulling the strings.
You do know that 95% of United fans agree with this policy whether they are generation X fans or baby boomer generation, no true United fan right now wants the club over spending on any player so if Everton won’t sell Branthwaite for £50m max, the club should simply move on to the next option.
The youth at United right now men and women is thriving, the boys under 18 won the treble the U21 ladies won the double so Wilcox in unison with Nick Cox and ETH Willing to develop youngsters only bodes well, I’d like to see E Wheatley, F McCalister and S Lacey get some minutes this season.
I’m pleasantly surprised with Sir Jim’s approach most things he says sounds reasonable. I think that for a while we have to accept two steps forward and one step back and see this as a long term project.
I look forward to the future. We soon have professionals in place when it comes to football related things and that give me confidence that we’re moving in the right direction. .
I look forward to the future. We soon have professionals in place when it comes to football related things and that give me confidence that we’re moving in the right direction. .
Why would the poor be poorer? How about we just produce, what we need and give it to the people who need it? With noone between, skimming billion over billion. We may not produce 1500 different types of cars and 2600 types of different strawberry-yogurts. But who gives a feck about that?
Again, you are not able to even imagine a fair world. When you put a single developing country out of the global capitalist economy, of course it wouldn't fare well. The change will have to come globally. And it will, but as things stand in a different way, then I'd hope for. Climate change will probably lead to some kind of fascism. To rich countries shooting climate-refugees from their borders, while struggling inside the borders with natural disasters and crop failures.
This Churchill-quote, you might have believed it 60 years ago, but to cite it today is beyond me. Everyone with eyes can see that this system, that is driven by the delusion of eternal growth will kill the environment. It will kill our children and grandchildren. We have to come up with another system. Like we changed from feudalism to capitalism, we have to change now, or it will have catastrophic consequences.
You may say that a social-democracy like in the Scandinavic countries is the way to go. But they also lived way beyond their means while still profiting from global injustice.
I agree with you in principle but....
I remember SAF humiliating Leeds for spending 18m for Rio Ferdinand with his famous "If Rio is worth 18m then how much is Wes's worth? 30M?" quote. Few years later he had to backtrack on it and sign Rio for.......30m. Now is Branthwaite the new Rio? I haven't watched him enough to judge though considering I rate Rio as the best CB the UK had produced in the past 30 years, the best ball playing defender of his generation and the second best CB Manchester United had throughout SAF's reign (and after) then I doubt it. However
a- A 6ft4 CB with some serious pace is rare to come by. He'll fit into a high press system + he'll be the perfect partner for Martinez
b- There aren't many CBs worth investing money on. Yoro seem to be Real Madrid Bound, Todibo is not coming to OT, Bremer would cost 50m and he's 27, Guehi will probably cost us 60m and I doubt that United know who Calafiori is
c- We mention alot the youth academy and yes its the future. However we mustn't forget that part of SAF's strategy to keep us on top was to buy the best British + Irish young talent out there. We spent silly money on Keane, Pally, Rio and Rooney
Should we spend 70m on him then? My answer is no. Would I pay 55/60m + add ons? If the scouts believe he's the man then yes.
That's not Ok either. It's a very toxic way to live. Anyway, it doesn't bother me, I just found it intriguing that folks calmly say "I hate billionaires but" like it's an expectation.
18 months before that deal was done it looked as though the Glazers were here for the long haul and there was no end to it
Not one person I know has claimed the INEOS deal is ideal and how they’d have wanted a ‘takeover’ to happen but it’s a big step away from how it was. Stadium is finally going to get sorted and they seem to genuinely want the club to be successful, whereas Glazers didn’t care about results.
1958 have said they expect the Glazers will be gone (based on their info) by this time next year too. That remains to be seen but there’s finally a path for their exit - personally don’t think INEOS would be putting so much money in if they were going to be minority owners long term
I think it’s quite ridiculous that so many people moan about it. But to each their own
Pays zero taxes in the UK but keeps talking about UK politics…
If he does well at the club he will be liked. If he doesn’t he won’t.
You're trying very hard to misunderstand. Of course he is not hated because he is diligent and smart (like millions others are too, without beeing billionaires). But the system allowing people gathering harmful amounts of money is. Or he may be hated for other reasons: not paying taxes in the UK, beeing a brexiteer...
This argument of rich people beeing hated because other people are envious and they just don't work as hard is so cheap and boring. He worked so much in his life, his work is worth more than the GDP of some countries. Seems legit.
The Glazers clearly arnt going anywhere and will be pulling the strings for the foreseeable future, Sir Jim's original offer was to buy 100% of the Glazers shares but Joel and Avram refused to sell as they dont want to leave.
If we continue to be shit then the club's value will plummet and Jim will buy us on the cheap probably. They'll only stick around if there's money to be made.
Until signing MBappe and Bellingham unless Ive completely forgotten about someone else they purchased they’ve abandoned the “Galactico” style squad building and turned to signing younger players, all be it not on the cheap. I hope that’s what SJR is referring to there.
Isn’t there some kind of obligation to buy the rest of the shares clause in the future?
No. Being a billionaire is nothing to do with hard work otherwise doctors and nurses would be rolling in it. Billionaires are a product of a broken economic system and disfunctional society. No one gets off their backside and accumulates that amount of wealth by hard work. It is done off the backs of others.
Their existence when there is such a high level of child poverty and austerity is the sign of a broken society.
The gain of billionaires is either at the expense of others either now or in the past (where it is due to inherited wealth). In some cases this is simply because they can only get to that level by not contributing to society (offshore tax havens) but in others such as Bezos' case it is literally that despite his wealth he makes more by continuing to treat and pay his workers poorly. He could choose to be a positive force for society at a marginal profit or make more profit by screwing others over. He does the latter because to be a billionaire that is what you have to so. And Ratcliffe will have taken the same unethical decisions to get where he is.
I’d take Ghuei over Branthwaite every day of every year, one has extreme elite pace and is exceptional on the ball the other quick, and good on the ball now if they are similar money who you taking ?
I agree with the spirit of the post, but are you saying that people like Bezos and Zuckerberg (odious scumbags though they seem to be) didn't work hard to get where they are?
So because he owns companies and employs people he must be evil?
You’re inevitably saying there should be no private capital. Full blown communism if the only way.... I can’t even begin to state how ludicrous that is.
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Well that's clearly not what I said. I said there shouldn't be billionaires. You could easily do this by taxing every pound about 1 billion at 100%.
And as for a healthy economy and wealth creation that would make more sense. If you distribute wealth from top to bottom it is more likely to be circulated and spent rather than kept and not touched.
People have no concept of what a billion pound is. There is no need to have a billion pounds let alone multiple billion. Trust me if you stop billionaires from having more they won't notice. And it won't stop aspirational entrepreneurs from accumulating the wealth they want.
I'm sure they worked hard. I'm arguing that it wasn't working hard that made them billionaires.
Your post clearly implies that anyone seeking to make millions or billions is evil because they would exploit their workers as owners of a company. Company ownership is the only way to make that kind of money. There's a reason nobody has taxed income at 100% at any income bracket - it does way more harm than good for everyone (especially the less well off) because the investors don't bother and no income is generated at all for the community or anyone else.
The bottom line is that preventing the rich from becoming richer doesn't help the poorer, it has the opposite effect despite the wealth disproportionately benefitting the richer. But that's not the point here, some people are so full of rage at the thought of someone else having so much money that fairness and logic go out the window. It's the epitome of narcissism that some people would rather try to hack down a wealthy person just to see them lose money, even though they're harming themselves and the less well off in the process.
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Yet you choose to support Manchester United, owned by billionaires, the World’s most expensive football squad and it’s multimillionaire footballers
