Why do you all keep saying he's a Tory?
He's literally just backed Labour and mentioned it repeatedly in the interview.
He's literally just backed Labour and mentioned it repeatedly in the interview.
Bloomberg: Jim Ratcliffe on plans for Man Utd
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Pardon? I was quoting the previous poster who made out that he’d had it all handed to him.
I think you need to calm down a bit mate.
The richer you are the more you're taxed and rightly so. But you can't just say 'hey, you've made so much more money than others we should be able to take it from you arbitrarily because other people feel like they deserve it more'. That's not how any western society or economy can work. And by taxing 100% of earnings over a certain amount then you're not just destroying rich peoples freedoms, you're making poor people poorer too by preventing the tax gained from those earnings coming in. If you want to talk about tax avoidance or evasion then fine, but don't believe that the system you're devising could serve any good purpose, it's narcissism and envy and that's it.
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What I took from Jim's interview is that his investment is much more than Man UTD.
I think his team once established will run the club, Jim himself will be focussed on the land and investment opportunities around OT and Manchester in general.
I think his team once established will run the club, Jim himself will be focussed on the land and investment opportunities around OT and Manchester in general.
Oh, so you pretty much would have been dead set against anyone who bought (into) the club, as they'd have all needed to have far more than that? And everyone whose the owner of most other clubs, really. Especially in top flights. I mean, £100 million doesn't quite even get you one player like Declan Rice or Enzo Fernandez at the moment.
Not much I can say about that really. I guess I don't share those strong anti-views that you have, and so was just judging it on which inevitably wealthy person it was. I guess if you're starting off point is, whichever it is, it's a crime to society, then they were always going to fall into that group.
I was wondering about that myself, actually.
I'm not interested in politics so kept skipping through parts of that section seeing if he got back onto United, but from what I could make out he seemed to be backing Labour so was surprised to read about him being a Tory and thought I must have got the wrong end of it by skipping bits.
I think his point is that the whole Ratcliffe worshipping that's going on by some is a bit cringey considering that the guys seems to be a bit of a cnut. Just because he owns us it doesn't mean I will suddenly support every decision he makes. So far there has been a lot of talk from him but not much more. Let's see how he does. I sure as hell am not impressed by some talk in an interview
Guy voted for the tories at the last election and now says he's had enough of Sunak and the tories.
'Having seen the way the Tory Party has performed in the last five to six years I found myself completely unable to vote for them again.'
So yea not a "tory scum" at all the way some are trying to make out.
'Having seen the way the Tory Party has performed in the last five to six years I found myself completely unable to vote for them again.'
So yea not a "tory scum" at all the way some are trying to make out.
I am not really worried about him as long as he remains inclined towards trusting the professionals. It seems a lot will rest on the shoulders of Berrada and Ashworth, in particular, and we are all in agreement with the broad outlines we can deduce from the little we have heard Berrada say and what Ashworth has done in his career so far.
It's just that the Glazers have made a series of costly mistakes that could hold us back for at least three more years if we follow PSR to the letter. In that regard, even though I vehemently disagree with the decision to keep him, Ten Hag's willingness and ability to blood in youngsters becomes critical. If he can add two to three first team quality youngsters we will be fine as that reduces the capital outlay required for new signings.
Philosophically he is on the right path but it all depends on execution and whether in the heat of the moment, during negotiations, we stay true to our overarching strategy.
C'mon noods, nobody actually believed we'd qualify for the Europa League by winning the FA Cup.
It was reported that Jassim failed to provide evidence for his funds
Interesting interview. Good to see that Madrid is the benchmark they want to catch. That will take awhile.
Sooner the core of the mgmt team is in situ and working the better.
Shame about tobido.
Sooner the core of the mgmt team is in situ and working the better.
Shame about tobido.
Our fans would prefer if we become the new Forest it seems
No. Let’s clap if and when he produces change that sees our football team win things again. But draw a firm line there.
He’s jumping into bed with the new government of the day. Mainly because he wants funding for a new stadium complex at the expense of the tax payer. Plus other influences of course.
First google result;
“Radcliffe has a personal wealth of £21bn. To put that into context, someone earning the average (median) UK salary of around £28,500 would have to work 736,842 years without paying tax, or making a single expenditure, to accumulate that amount.
Despite this wealth, Ratcliffe’s Ineos has been embroiled in several disputes with its workforce. At the company’s Grangemouth plant in central Scotland, workers were forced to accept a three-year pay freeze after being locked out of the factory. The workers were also banned from striking for three years.
It was revealed last year that Ratcliffe had personally lobbied then chancellor George Osborne to break the power of the unions, and to back fracking in the UK.
The fracking giant is leading drilling attempts in Yorkshire. The firm is also contesting a ban on hydraulic fracturing imposed by the Scottish government. The moratorium was put into place after the proposal received overwhelming public support in the consultation process”
Let’s not go full City and start idolising an owner. The man is a prick with awful politics. We’d do well to not let him launder his reputation with our football club.
Where? Majority of the stuff I'm seeing is poster's irrational annoyance at anything he does or says.
Shiekh Jassim has desputed the claim and he did in fact provide the required documentation.
I mean it was obviously a possibility as was qualifying via the league until the last month pf the campaign. Also its just the rules, and not being able to use multi club ownership to sell players to yourself I wouldn't say is a particularly controversial rule at all. If they were allowed to do it they could just inflate/decrease the price as much as they wanted to cheat the ffp rules or effectively launder players between clubs for the same purpose.
He does a lot of moaning about stuff like this. It's not encouraging and doesn't play into the idea INEOS actually have any kind of plan
Even Forest made the difficult decision to part ways with Cooper. He says he wants us to become like Madrid, then keeps the manager after a midtable finish.
5 minutes before that he said how poor the structure has been for the last 10 years and we can’t just flip a switch and be Real Madrid.
Jim Ratcliffe is a very intelligent business man. During his interview he makes interesting and realistic targets.
Anyone old enough to remember United in its prime (ie treble days) knows that that's exactly how United operated. We would invest heavily on youths and then buy a mix of young talent and unknown talent (ex Johnsen from Besiktas). The wage structure was sacrosanct. We were so terrified into breaking it that prime Roy Keane came at an inch away from signing with Juventus for a free because United refused to bulge.
Why did we do that?
A- Young players can run all day something that older players can't. I've seen absolute legends getting humiliated because they simply couldn't keep up the pace. We're seeing the decline of Casemiro with our very eyes and we'll probably see worse considering that the idiots who signed him gave him an endless contract
B- Keeping the wage structure under control mean that investment can be diverted elsewhere like the youth academy or the stadium. It also act as an incentive for players to do better. Good luck persuading some lazy bum not to spend the night on XBOX when he's on a long term contract on a 300k a week.
Regarding players leaving, well shit happens. We lost so many throughout the years such as Beckham, RVN and Ronaldo. However I'd rather have players that other clubs want and might get rather then players who keep kissing the badge while playing shit simply because no one wants them.
Exactly. Some just like moaning for moanings sake. We could win the quadruple and you would still have haters over something
Because he backs traditional tory policies, he's backing Labour because Starmer is closer to the classic tory than the modern tories who lean more to the right than a man who's had his left leg blown off.
I do know don’t expect too high on internet members education. But gosh, the fan base is actually sucked. He is telling the truth and he know what’s going at his boyhood club.
I am little concerned with how Jim Ratcliffe is going to manage his time as it seems he's going to remain CEO of Ineos and isn't going to sell Nice.
He's 72 years old this year and he said that there have been quite a few negative surprises at Man Utd. He has obviously been quite involved and Dan Ashworth isn't coming anytime soon to help out. New stadium, transfer window, finances, regulations, hiring staff, media, travels a lot and owns houses in multiple countries. Hopefully he wont get overworked.
He's 72 years old this year and he said that there have been quite a few negative surprises at Man Utd. He has obviously been quite involved and Dan Ashworth isn't coming anytime soon to help out. New stadium, transfer window, finances, regulations, hiring staff, media, travels a lot and owns houses in multiple countries. Hopefully he wont get overworked.
He explained several times that the problem at Man Utd right now is not the manager.
He’s a bloke who has started to put a structure together that the leeches could have done if they had the knowledge they have today. If it works 10% better than the parasites debacle it will be a gain. I do think it will work better than 10% simply as he is putting people in power who know about football. I’m not interested in anything else about him, his politics or anything about his life as long as he gets Utd competing again
And he wouldn't have personally talked to other candidates if that were the case? My point is that at Madrid this wouldn't happen regardless of the circumstances
This is true. Labour as we knew it went to the wall the day Blair and co ditched Clause 4.Please go watch the interview again. He aims to become like Madrid but also said, its not a light switch. It takes 3/4 years.
They wanted to do a full review and considered the current manager as one of the candidates to manage Man Utd next season. Then they started to evaluate and eliminate names from the list of candidates and they were left with Ten Hag as their man.
In order to evaluate candidates it makes perfect sense to talk to them? I'm pretty sure Tuchel was very interested in the job but they decided against it.
There was apparently no evidence Jassim had the money to back his bid.
Stop it with the manager ffs. Accept the decision and see what happens next season. If he performs, fine. If not, bye. It is not that an amazing manager is available right now
Yeah right. As SJR said, does the guy even exist?
At the end there was one serious bidder, and he got the club
Apparently thats not true.
From that, its clear there won't be a clearout or a massive turnover as much as people expected. However, we have big parts of our squad that aren't being used that could be sold to give us a few signings. Greenwood and Sancho would be big wins in regard to sales. Lindelof and Pellistri could also add some funds. In addition, AWB and Antony are parts of our squad that we have used often, but can afford to let go of to get some money. Finally, getting both Varane and Martial off the books could open up room in regard to wages.
I think we will end up seeing three signings as opposed to the five that I had originally wanted, which is meant to strengthen our squad with the hope that there is growth within the team.
I think we will sign 1 forward, 1 midfielder and 1 centre back.
I think we will end up seeing three signings as opposed to the five that I had originally wanted, which is meant to strengthen our squad with the hope that there is growth within the team.
I think we will sign 1 forward, 1 midfielder and 1 centre back.
Only Raine and the Glazers could possibly know if thats true or not, as I understand it Shiekh Jassim submitted all the paper work and supporting evidence to Raine and was ready to do the deal but the Glazers stopped it happening.
Like this, realistic but at the same time very high bar to reach. Give it time he will change things.
I would trust formal SEC filings stating that there was an inability to prove funds rather than Kaveh on Sky saying Jassim disputed this and was considering legal action (funnily enough nothing has happened in the 5 months since). The reality is that the bid was either effectively a state bid, which no United fan should have wanted, or if it wasn't then there were always going to be serious questions about where the funding was coming from.