Unreal.
Finally starting to hot up on this hopefully. I keep thinking it’s happening then it’ll go back to close ups of toasters for an episode.
Television Better Call Saul | Includes Breaking Bad Spoilers
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Unreal.
Finally starting to hot up on this hopefully. I keep thinking it’s happening then it’ll go back to close ups of toasters for an episode.
You're right to bring this up. I was too young at the time to watch it, but the full boxsets of this and The Wire are on my Amazon wishlist.
There is such a long gap between the series' that I have completely forgotten why Hector is in hospital.
I remember the bald guy trying to slip him some poison pills, is it something to do with that?
I remember the bald guy trying to slip him some poison pills, is it something to do with that?
I’m intersted to see how those that consider this a breathtakingly artistic study in modern artisinally paced realist drama will treat/excuse the needless inclusion of the two most ridiculously cartoon characters from Breaking Bad. That’s gonna be fun, if nothing else.
They were already in an episode in Series 1/2 weren't they? Threatening Mike's granddaughter and daughter in law if Mike didn't do what Hector wanted him to. Not sure how big a role they're going to play, they're not actors.
Genuinely thought we had suddenly caught up with Walt in that episode for a minute or two. Then realised that that makes no sense as Saul isn't Saul yet.
Another good episode.
Another good episode.
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I'd love to see a show revolving around Jessie and all. But yeah another cracking episode.
Rhea Seehorn is a great actress.
Enjoying this season so far. A lot of BB cameos in the latest episode too. 
There is zero chance I would still be watching this show if it wasn't for B.B, too slow. S4:E3 is probably the most important episode so far. Gus is a dangerous as feck, how did he know about the medication? Regarding Nacho?
33 episodes and still no Saul Goodman
In the third season now. Not disappointed.
Ehrmantraut's levels of creativity are at least on Jimmy's if not better at times.
Ehrmantraut's levels of creativity are at least on Jimmy's if not better at times.
That episode was very scattered. Far more questions than answers afterwards.
brutally slow episode. complete waste of time
I love this show but been disappointed with this season, halfway through the season and nothing has really happened yet.
S04E05 and you get your wish in the pre-credit the opening sequence33 episodes and still no Saul Goodman
Got a feeling those kids outside the "DogHouse" are gonna be in the "dog house" pretty soon
S04E05 and you get your wish in the pre-credit the opening sequence
Got a feeling those kids outside the "DogHouse" are gonna be in the "dog house" pretty soon
Was expecting Jesse to make a very fleeting appearance during that scene. Would have been good.
Loved the flash forward (back/forward?). Nostalgia kick
What a dreadful episode, could literally have skipped it and would not have made a difference. This season gets a 4/10 at best, just not very interesting.
Jimmy/Saul is not an interesting character, a Mike spin off would have been a much better show. Thank feck I have 2 episodes of Killing Eve to watch, fit in more in an episode than this season of BCS has in 5.
Jimmy/Saul is not an interesting character, a Mike spin off would have been a much better show. Thank feck I have 2 episodes of Killing Eve to watch, fit in more in an episode than this season of BCS has in 5.
Not a great episode.
Add Oz to that wish list. The daddy of the golden generation of modern day villain protagonist tv
This show is still going strong. Brilliant episode
another pointless episode
How can anyone think that was a bad episode. It's the beginnings of Saul helping out criminals.
I really enjoyed that episode. I just love Mike so much.....I enjoyed seeing them interview the chaps for the drug lab. Trust them to go with the old school chap.
people still watching this and saying nothing has happened.Loved that episode.
I loved it.
Spoilers for season 3 in defence of season 4:
I can't believe I'm having to defend this wonderful series.
Better Call Saul has always been a patient, detailed character study. Right now, it's recovering from the loss of one of its most captivating and volatile characters by treading carefully and slowly in the aftermath of his death. It was always going to be a slow start to this season for that reason alone. Now Chuck is gone, the show is obviously focused less on his relationship with Jimmy, and how Jimmy balances that with Kim and Howard, and is now looking ahead to how the plot links with Breaking Bad. It's slowly teasing the future of the show that we're already aware of and impatiently waiting to get to, but it has to sit quietly with Jimmy, Kim and Nacho first. You can't get to B without leaving A. This has never been a show interested in high stakes drama - we know the stakes already and we know who makes it out of this story and who doesn't, you can't achieve the same level of thriller tension that Breaking Bad was so wonderful at conjuring because there's no uncertainty. All we can do with Better Call Saul is watch the inevitable happen, but watching the inevitable happen has to be a process. Kim and Jimmy are going to have to break up at some point, and Nacho is going to have to die (most likely) or be put in a position where the heat gets too hot and he has to skip town. The breakdown of Kim's resolve and patience for Jimmy is already under way - and like any great personal change, it has to be a gradual process. That's why we're watching her clumsily attempt to get Jimmy to feel something about Chuck's death. Jimmy's finally decided to stop letting the world screw him over and he's allowing Saul Goodman to creep into his personality. That's why we're sat with him, sometimes in complete silence, watching his inner workings make their way across his face. As for the Salamanca/Mike/Gus storyline, that's the part I'm least interested in because we know exactly where roughly 90% of the characters involved end up, save for Nacho. I can appreciate why that'd be a little dull, but these characters are so rich and so well-rounded and so detailed that spending any scene with them, watching the actors bounce off one another and watching these characters' personalities deepen and expand just that inch every time, is wonderful. And if you're not interested in that, then appreciate the technical artistry that goes in every single shot. The detailed montages, the alternative and creative ways of displaying mundane activities, it's all there. This might not be achieving the heights that season 3 reached, but this is still a superbly crafted season of television and I can't believe I've just had to defend it from criticism that it's "boring". [/spoilers]
Better Call Saul has always been a patient, detailed character study. Right now, it's recovering from the loss of one of its most captivating and volatile characters by treading carefully and slowly in the aftermath of his death. It was always going to be a slow start to this season for that reason alone. Now Chuck is gone, the show is obviously focused less on his relationship with Jimmy, and how Jimmy balances that with Kim and Howard, and is now looking ahead to how the plot links with Breaking Bad. It's slowly teasing the future of the show that we're already aware of and impatiently waiting to get to, but it has to sit quietly with Jimmy, Kim and Nacho first. You can't get to B without leaving A. This has never been a show interested in high stakes drama - we know the stakes already and we know who makes it out of this story and who doesn't, you can't achieve the same level of thriller tension that Breaking Bad was so wonderful at conjuring because there's no uncertainty. All we can do with Better Call Saul is watch the inevitable happen, but watching the inevitable happen has to be a process. Kim and Jimmy are going to have to break up at some point, and Nacho is going to have to die (most likely) or be put in a position where the heat gets too hot and he has to skip town. The breakdown of Kim's resolve and patience for Jimmy is already under way - and like any great personal change, it has to be a gradual process. That's why we're watching her clumsily attempt to get Jimmy to feel something about Chuck's death. Jimmy's finally decided to stop letting the world screw him over and he's allowing Saul Goodman to creep into his personality. That's why we're sat with him, sometimes in complete silence, watching his inner workings make their way across his face. As for the Salamanca/Mike/Gus storyline, that's the part I'm least interested in because we know exactly where roughly 90% of the characters involved end up, save for Nacho. I can appreciate why that'd be a little dull, but these characters are so rich and so well-rounded and so detailed that spending any scene with them, watching the actors bounce off one another and watching these characters' personalities deepen and expand just that inch every time, is wonderful. And if you're not interested in that, then appreciate the technical artistry that goes in every single shot. The detailed montages, the alternative and creative ways of displaying mundane activities, it's all there. This might not be achieving the heights that season 3 reached, but this is still a superbly crafted season of television and I can't believe I've just had to defend it from criticism that it's "boring". [/spoilers]
That was one of the best episodes so far. Cold open and the first scene from the BB timeline .
The "interviews" for engineer to plan the lab construction were amazing. What a great performance by the actor playing the German expert.
Also, it's safe to say that the first guy they rejected got hired by Levy to build their new stadium, correct ?
. The "interviews" for engineer to plan the lab construction were amazing. What a great performance by the actor playing the German expert.
Also, it's safe to say that the first guy they rejected got hired by Levy to build their new stadium, correct ?
What exactly is Kim up to?
I do think this is a very good show but is overrated. I was fully engrossed watching S2 and S3 but pacing is a problem. For me an even bigger problem is all the Mike stuff since S3. All Mike and Gus sequences since then just plays out like deleted or extra scenes from BB. I get it that obsessive fans of the same get giddy over it but it adds no value to this show. There are simply no stakes to Gus storyline. I am much more interested in a character like Nacho. Even with Mike, it is just yawning to watch yet another montage or sequence of him playing batman and out smart other criminals/characters.
Just take the last episode, I did not care at all for the super lab stuff. Who cares how Gus contracted someone to start building the same? It is not like a very key unsolved mystery from BB universe. It is just a pointless extra scene you may get on some DVD.
Coming to Jimmy/Saul, reason why I believe the pacing is an issue, fully aware of the fact this deep into the show that creators are more interested in character study than any real plotting, is the repetition of same themes over and over again with Jimmy. It has been well established so many times now that he is prone to grifting and just living a straight life is not for him. For example- in this very season do we need the both of the bavarian artifact steal job and then this phone job to establish that Jimmy can't force himself to live with daily 9-5 grind?
It smacks of kind of filler stories drama decades ago were fitting into their 24-26 episodes' seasons. Creators basically could not map out Jimmy dealing with Chuck's death over the course of whole season so since the first episode, the next 4 have been a waste for time for me as far as his arc is concerned. I full expect some big meltdown or sequence triggered by the chuck episode down the stretch. But if you are postponing the same then you must cop to the filler stuff for your title character for 4 long episodes.
Just take the last episode, I did not care at all for the super lab stuff. Who cares how Gus contracted someone to start building the same? It is not like a very key unsolved mystery from BB universe. It is just a pointless extra scene you may get on some DVD.
Coming to Jimmy/Saul, reason why I believe the pacing is an issue, fully aware of the fact this deep into the show that creators are more interested in character study than any real plotting, is the repetition of same themes over and over again with Jimmy. It has been well established so many times now that he is prone to grifting and just living a straight life is not for him. For example- in this very season do we need the both of the bavarian artifact steal job and then this phone job to establish that Jimmy can't force himself to live with daily 9-5 grind?
It smacks of kind of filler stories drama decades ago were fitting into their 24-26 episodes' seasons. Creators basically could not map out Jimmy dealing with Chuck's death over the course of whole season so since the first episode, the next 4 have been a waste for time for me as far as his arc is concerned. I full expect some big meltdown or sequence triggered by the chuck episode down the stretch. But if you are postponing the same then you must cop to the filler stuff for your title character for 4 long episodes.
Her current arc is about being afraid of investing her whole career doing paperwork for a big bank that would earn her big bucks but would give her very little job satisfaction. Hence why she is trying to play the public defender role to try to make a difference in lives of some people. Also working for Mesa verde could probably reminds her of her role in taking down Chuck.
Nice summarising. Id thought along those lines but thought I may have missed something deeper
One thing the Mike/Gus/Cartel story shows us is how much time, effort and skill went into setting up Gus' empire and how destructively Walt brought it all down.
Adds an extra layer to Mike's hatred towards him and his antics.
None of these characters know what is about to hit them.
Adds an extra layer to Mike's hatred towards him and his antics.
None of these characters know what is about to hit them.
Something I just copped on to.
Only just realised the dude who robs the little statue for Jimmy and is working with him is the same fella who runs Vamonos Pest in Breaking Bad
The 2nd part of the episode was close to phenomenal in scale of Breaking Bad.
Albuquerque universum is a small world.The piñata bit was the first time we’ve really seen the start of Saul Goodman...