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Gill has to be careful with his words, you know Levy. So, was Levy in Monaco last night?

Yes, perhaps the Times did.

Then again, maybe the Bulgarian Press have just picked up on what the Times printed lol.

Commoli and Alexander are there representing Spurs.
 
Especially for Fergie.

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If the levy has made his decision he doesn't need to be there. I'm sure they have telephones in Monaco if needs be. I don't think he wants to meet Gill or Fergie face to face anyway if what I can make out from the reports is true.

Yes, I agree, Levy doesn't need to be there. And I sure you do know more about it than us. ;)
 
I wonder how many newspapers haven't declared the deal is imminent in about the last month.
 
To be fair, it's quite clear I'm talking about papers in the context of footballing coverage, and not in an overall sense. And I'd stand by my original post. While some papers have better writers than others, they all allow the sort of coverage that makes up the bulk of the posted articles in this thread. And that stops them from being 'reputable' in my eyes, because they pick and choose when they run stories with a factual grounding.

Except, when you suggested another poster had produced an oxymoron, that assertion really relies on either a wider context of the terms or the contexts intended by the original poster.

So their reply that they hadn't produced an 'oxymoron in their contexts' is as valid as your assertion that they would have done so 'in your context' - but then, since it relies on context, the oxymoron would have been formed by yourself, not giggs-beckham surely. :angel:
 
Then again, maybe the Bulgarian Press have just picked up on what the Times printed lol.

Commoli and Alexander are there representing Spurs.

Yes, you may be right. So what is the time line in between when these two articles are published? The Times did not quote it source though.
 
Except, when you suggested another poster had produced an oxymoron, that assertion really relies on either a wider context of the terms or the contexts intended by the original poster.

So their reply that they hadn't produced an 'oxymoron in their contexts' is as valid as your assertion that they would have done so 'in your context' - but then, since it relies on context, the oxymoron would have been formed by yourself, not giggs-beckham surely. :angel:

I would have thought the context of any discussion about football, and a newspaper's coverage of football, would be firmly rooted in the context of it as a 'football paper', and not as a paper simpliciter. But if I'm wrong, so be it. I'm happy to let this one go.
 
Yes, you may be right. So what is the time line in between when these two articles are published? The Times did not quote it source though.

23.26 UK time for the Times.

When did the Bulgarian one appear?
 
I would have thought the context of any discussion about football, and a newspaper's coverage of football, would be firmly rooted in the context of it as a 'football paper', and not as a paper simpliciter. But if I'm wrong, so be it. I'm happy to let this one go.

Well, as I suggested, the context should surely either be wider or that of giggs-beckham - he's explained his, and I think he CAN make a case that certain paper-football-sections contain more crap than others and are hence 'less reputable' - which makes others 'more reputable'. You say they all print shit - true enough - his point is that some print more shit than others.
 
23.26 UK time for the Times.

When did the Bulgarian one appear?

Thanks. But I can't locate the time for the Bulgarian article. Can you help me with it?

I think the Zenit fans might not be too happy either!

True, Spurs and Zenit fans, I am just a messenger.

Spurs nation can feck off

Alex is fired-up. :devil:

I have to take another afternoon off work tomorrow.
Football. Bloody hell.

Don't leave us, please, I promise the *** will not be long now.
 
Well, as I suggested, the context should surely either be wider or that of giggs-beckham - he's explained his, and I think he CAN make a case that certain paper-football-sections contain more crap than others and are hence 'less reputable' - which makes others 'more reputable'. You say they all print shit - true enough - his point is that some print more shit than others.

Well, I have explained the context I was talking in, a couple of times if memory serves. It's obviously your prerogative to disagree with me.

I agree with the fact some post this stuff with greater frequency, but not with the idea that posting greater amounts makes you more dishonest. I think some of the guys from the Sun etc are more prolific, that's all.:)
 
Can you help me with it?


I looked, but it doesn't say, so there is no way of knowing.

I think it's best to just brush it off as paper talk for the time being. There are only 4 days to go, so we'll find out soon enough if it's true or not.
 
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Actually, looking at the Times article again, they say Pav is costing £12.5 million, whereas the Bulgarian Paper say its £15 million.

If they took their story from the Times, you'd imagine they would have went with the same figure.

The article does differ quite a bit besides that anyway.
 
Then again, maybe the Bulgarian Press have just picked up on what the Times printed lol.

Commoli and Alexander are there representing Spurs.

Excuse my ignorance and this might have been asked before but why is the Spurs contingent there?

It's a CL draw and they are not in the CL. Am I missing something?
 
Well, I have explained the context I was talking in, a couple of times if memory serves. It's obviously your prerogative to disagree with me.

I agree with the fact some post this stuff with greater frequency, but not with the idea that posting greater amounts makes you more dishonest. I think some of the guys from the Sun etc are more prolific, that's all.:)

Well I think you're conflating a number of points here to some degree.

The initial concern was 'could we place a bit more trust in this story given who printed it'. This relies on 2 separate points:

1 All papers print some transfer shit

2 Some papers may print a lower proportion of transfer shit than others - resulting in a higher proportion of transfer story accuracy.

You seem to reckon either that they all just print shit or that they print so much shit overall that we can discount the story.

g-b reckons that some papers are better than others in this regard so some papers might merit a bit more trust (always recognising the shit-potential).

The extra issue was whether the idea that certain papers were 'more reputable' was an oxymoron - since this should, IMO, be taken in either a wider context or that intended by g-b, I think he's entitled to claim that he has not produced an oxymoron.

Extrapolating your contention, that all the papers are as bad as each other regarding transfers, to insist that 'more reputable papers' is an oxymoron only demonstrates, I feel, an oxymoron in your own narrowed context with your assumptions. I do not feel that a more objectiove assessment needs to restrict itself to that judgement - in most senses, the idea that some papers are more reputable -even in the transfer arena - is cogent.
 
Well, as I suggested, the context should surely either be wider or that of giggs-beckham - he's explained his, and I think he CAN make a case that certain paper-football-sections contain more crap than others and are hence 'less reputable' - which makes others 'more reputable'. You say they all print shit - true enough - his point is that some print more shit than others.



Yep more was the operative word i used which put my point into its context, And brophs highlighting reputable papers after and implying that i think papers are reputable is wrong really.
Weve all seen a story and gone oh its only marca or the sun, or its only a certain writer and taken it less seriously as a result.
They are all shoddy really but i was wondering if the times was one of the less shoddy ones historically?
 
Well I think you're conflating a number of points here to some degree.

The initial concern was 'could we place a bit more trust in this story given who printed it'. This relies on 2 separate points:

1 All papers print some transfer shit

2 Some papers may print a lower proportion of transfer shit than others - resulting in a higher proportion of transfer story accuracy.

You seem to reckon either that they all just print shit or that they print so much shit overall that we can discount the story.

g-b reckons that some papers are better than others in this regard so some papers might merit a bit more trust (always recognising the shit-potential).

The extra issue was whether the idea that certain papers were 'more reputable' was an oxymoron - since this should, IMO, be taken in either a wider context or that intended by g-b, I think he's entitled to claim that he has not produced an oxymoron.

Extrapolating your contention, that all the papers are as bad as each other regarding transfers, to insist that 'more reputable papers' is an oxymoron only demonstrates, I feel, an oxymoron in your own narrowed context with your assumptions. I do not feel that a more objectiove assessment needs to restrict itself to that judgement - in most senses, the idea that some papers are more reputable -even in the transfer arena - is cogent.

Yep more was the operative word i used which put my point into its context, And by highlighting reputable papers after and saying that i think papers are reputable is wrong really.
Weve all seen a story and gone oh its only marca or the sun, or its only a certain writer and taken it less seriously as a result.
They are all shoddy really but i was wondering if the times was one of the less shoddy ones historically?

I get what you are both saying, and perhaps they are assumptions on my part, but are ones based on what I read every single day. I don't agree with a bit of what was said, but I've more than said my piece by now, and for my part, my interest level is waning in arguing this out. I wasn't having a go at gb, just making a throwaway point. If I took you up wrongly, mea culpa.
 
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We should have seen the warning signs he wasn't as avaliable as we wanted.
 
I get what you are both saying, and perhaps they are assumptions on my part, but are ones based on what I read every single day. I don't agree with a bit of what was said, but I've more than said my piece by now, and for my part, my interest level is waning in arguing this out. I wasn't having a go at gb, just making a throwaway point. If I took you up wrongly, mea culpa.



How do you mean?
 
How do you mean?

As I said, I don't want to get dragged into this again. When I see "more reputable", I take it to mean that the paper is in some way reputable. I don't agree that is the case.

If I have taken you up wrong, then it's my mistake.
 
As I said, I don't want to get dragged into this again. When I see "more reputable", I take it to mean that the paper is in some way reputable. I don't agree that is the case.

If I have taken you up wrong, then it's my mistake.



You know it is thats what i and others have been trying to tell you but still.....




(So more doesnt equal worse? so you think a one time murderer is worse than someone who'se murdered 10's even 100's of people?)



Edit: Appologies for the morbid metaphor.

Actually i agree lets drop it, leave it at that (1-0 to me:))
 
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