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Richter said:
He is not a "blue chip prospect" like Rooney or Ronaldo. Playing Campbell that might develop into a striker good enough for a mid-table team instead of a quality striker will cost us points, maybe titles.
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and even though Campbell may be better than Welbeck at the moment, I think Welbeck has more potential so I would be happy to see Welbeck stay and develop playing for the reserves and filling that 7th spot on the bench and Campbell to go on Loan
 
Kinky Melinky said:
From a player development point of view obviously if Campbell gets more games his allround game develops, and in the long run he's always going to be a better investment than Berbatov. He has 7 years on Berbatov, he doesn't cost us 30million and he hasn't shown any sort of attitude problems.

The thing is though boring....you're making valid points that have very little to do with the reasons behind the Berbatov purchase. Long-term is irrelevant when a team like United more often than not buy a player for the purpose of hitting the ground running. Almost immediate impact.

Also you're assuming Berbatov will be a problem in the dressing room.
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No, I am not ASSUMING he will be a problem, I am saying he COULD be a problem.

I guess I just see the benefit of waiting for someone like Campbell to develop, even if it in the short run could cost us - even though I don't think it would.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Solskjaer wasn't a "blue chip prospect" like Rooney or Ronaldo. Nor was Butt, O'Shea, Phil or Gary Neville etc etc.
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But that sort of collection of players with such similar backgrounds comes once every 30 years. Ideally it would all work that way but that's not reality
 
Kinky Melinky said:
Ronaldo not being available is only 1 of my reasons. Spending 30m on a player for just this purpose would be ridiculous. There are various other reasons why buying Berbatov will increase out chances of defending the title
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Ronaldo and Berba are not vying for the same spot. Adding Berba has nothing to do with Ronaldo, it has to do with what happens if Rooney or Tevez is injured.
 
lesclaypool said:
Cnut, let me give you a scenario. Champions League semis against Inter Milan but we're without Rooney and Tevez through injury. Now to lead the line, are you telling me Berbatov is so much better than Campbell for that situation? I know you're very much thinking long-term with the view that if Campbell gets enough experience that he'll develop into a top player but he's not going to start many games for us regardless IMO, and would be better off at Hull. Yes, Ronaldo can play up-top as he did against Roma and Barcelona but he's clearly much difficult to pick up coming in from the wing.
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That's just tough luck.

In that scenario, Ronaldo would play upfront, maybe with Campbell, or on his own.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
No, I am not ASSUMING he will be a problem, I am saying he COULD be a problem.
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Ok fair enough, you posted that we would have one less potential cnut in the dressing room. Fine, but putting forward a 'potential' problem in the attempt to support a point doesn't stand very strong

It's all what ifs. What we do know is Berbatov is class, and we also know Fergie has a history of taming egos
 
Kinky Melinky said:
Ok fair enough, you posted that we would have one less potential cnut in the dressing room. Fine, but putting forward a 'potential' problem in the attempt to support a point doesn't stand very strong

It's all what ifs. What we do know is Berbatov is class, and we also know Fergie has a history of taming egos
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If Fergie had to step in to tame egos, the situation must be serious.
 
According to the Corriere dello Sport, Tottenham Hotspur are showing an interest in AC Milan striker Marco Borriello as they look for a replacement for Dimitar Berbatov.
 
R.Nilsson7 said:
According to the Corriere dello Sport, Tottenham Hotspur are showing an interest in AC Milan striker Marco Borriello as they look for a replacement for Dimitar Berbatov.
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He's injured atm, won't be back until October.
 
ThatOldRedMagic said:
I guess I'd back his his hands-on, day to day take on a given situation above any pundit - even you
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That's not what I asked.

So, when he sold Stam, you agreed? When he bought Blanc as the replacement, you agreed?

When he plays O'Shea in midfield, you agree with him?

Etc etc?
 
Kinky Melinky said:
I answered the question you asked.

Chelsea have improved their squad, we haven't. Adding to this the fact Ronaldo will miss the next 15 games and the possibility of injury - of course Berbatov will aid in our challenge. To what extent is impossible to say, but he will be more of a help than a problem
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Ronaldo is likely to be playing again in early October.
 
Simon Adebesi said:
It amazes me that people cant see similarities - and then come up with differences to prove there arent any.

There are obviously differences. But the similarities are that there were players who wanted - quite openly - to move to a specific club, and a club that didnt want to sell. And that to me is the most important element of this whole thing. Sure, SAF has shown more class than Calderon did, and that is a good thing. But if Spurs dont want to sell THEIR player for less than £30m then that is their prereogative, just like it was ours to not want to sell for any price. The buying club should accept that (as it seems the club has - though the fans seem to be finding it harder).

I am not so much making a criticism of United for wanting a very good player from a rival or for how the club has conducted itself, which seems to be above reproach. I am defending Spurs' right to tell us to feck off.
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They do have the right to tell us to suck their lilywhite dicks, but they're cock-teasing us and then accuse us of tapping up the player. In terms of the buying club's conduct in the two different sagas there are no similarities. In the players' situations - yes, there are similarities.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
That's not what I asked.

So, when he sold Stam, you agreed? When he bought Blanc as the replacement, you agreed?

When he plays O'Shea in midfield, you agree with him?

Etc etc?
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Actually i did not. But you know what's spooky? Stam was never the same player again. He was already on the way down post injury. I couldn't discern this. SAF, at The Cliff every day, could; Blanc? He was supposed to give Rio a season of quality tuition by playing alongside him and setting his example. Not a bad move (although Rio missed much of it, but that was not foreseeable); O'Shea is OK midfield or full back. Struggles at CB. All teams have utility players and he's proven himself a great asset, if not the sharpest tool in the box. And when he came through from youth level seemed to have potential which, alas, he's never quite fulfilled.

SAF knows enough to be the most successful PL manager. Nobody is 100% perfect, but I repeat, I'd back him against you 10:1 on.
 
His father was a professional footballer with local outfit Pirin Blagoevgrad, and his mother Margarita was a professional handball player
 
ThatOldRedMagic said:
Actually i did not. But you know what's spooky? Stam was never the same player again. He was already on the way down post injury. I couldn't discern this. SAF, at The Cliff every day, could; Blanc? He was supposed to give Rio a season of quality tuition by playing alongside him and setting his example. Not a bad move (although Rio missed much of it, but that was not foreseeable); O'Shea is OK midfield or full back. Struggles at CB. All teams have utility players and he's proven himself a great asset, if not the sharpest tool in the box. And when he came through from youth level seemed to have potential which, alas, he's never quite fulfilled.

SAF knows enough to be the most successful PL manager. Nobody is 100% perfect, but I repeat, I'd back him against you 10:1 on.
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Of course you back him against me. You'd be stupid otherwise.

However, hiding behind Sir Alex's opinion when you are discussing with someone is weak.

As you said yourself, you don't always agree with him. Surely, I am allowed the same thing?
 
Stam was Fergie's biggest mistake. Thankfully, even he's admitted it now. As for Berbs, I'm confident SAF knows what he's doing. Just a thought like.
 
Cheers, sound promising. Hopefully Berbatov's agent can knock some sense into them two.
 
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