If Berbatov settles in fine, then I agree, our chances this season are better with than without him.
In the long run, I believe United will be better off giving Campbell some proper playing time.
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If Berbatov settles in fine, then I agree, our chances this season are better with than without him.
In the long run, I believe United will be better off giving Campbell some proper playing time.
Fiscal discipline. This is not just a phrase constituting a nervous twitch for Gordon Brown. It is a reason we arguably should not sing Berb for £30m. Obviously £5m on its own doesnt make an enormous amount of difference, but you have to draw the line somewhere with regards to valuations and what you are prepared to pay for people. (Unless you want to follow the Madrid model - sorry to make that comparison again.) If you keep throwing money at transfer targets, you need to raise money. But whenever the following occur:
1) ticket prices go up
2) the word AIG (or any other corporate name) appears anywhere new
3) dinner ladies get sacked
4) plenty of other money making schemes I cant be bothered to think of
people get up in arms. Which is fair enough. But you have to find the money somewhere. We arent Chelsea.
Why wouldn't we challenge for the title ? Every team in the league is challenging for the title.
Ronaldo's a 20 goals a season player, 40 last season. We're without him for 10-15 games or so and then he'll need to get back on form, and insted of him we got Giggs, Nani, Park, Hargreaves, Evra who had 10-ish goals combined. Rooney and Tevez had 40? combined last season, one'd expect that to maybe improve. I think we'd be better off with a 20 goals per season striker coming in now. Both for the goals and the fact a 27+ year old player could help Rooney/Tevez/Campbell/Welbeck and who else
Me too. He could do the same thing when he isn't getting enough games or have a severe loss of form. And I prefer Huntelaar although he hasnt got Berbatov's ability because he wants to play for us, has a great attitude.
If we don't sign any, fine with me too, we still challenge for title. Who knows Campbell will mature sooner than expected and Manucho might turn out to be a good catch.
No to Berbatov please!!
Of course we will, but with a class striker like Berbatov in the squad it should make life somewhat easier.
Surely you're on a WUM.
I dont want us to spend 30m. If it was up to me the price would not exceed 25m.
No WUM, I prefer us to stick with what we have.
It won't be easy with or without Berbatov. I'd still have Chelsea as the favourites.
But wouldnt be have a better chance with 3 top forwards?
What would the general consensus be if we got Berbatov and Spurs bought Huntelaar as a replacement?
As I said, short term, IF Berbatov settles in fine, yes we would be better off with him.
However, I think the potential gain long term will be greater by sticking with what we have.
I answered the question you asked.
Chelsea have improved their squad, we haven't. Adding to this the fact Ronaldo will miss the next 15 games and the possibility of injury - of course Berbatov will aid in our challenge. To what extent is impossible to say, but he will be more of a help than a problem
OK so if we are to believe what Spurs have come out with, that they will not sell for less than £30m, then would you say for that price we should make do without? But if they can be coaxed into a £25m deal then we should do it?
If so then it looks like we are basically on the same page.
I wonder if we could entice them with a player as part exchange. Are the stupid enough to take on Saha's wages?
Will he?
But you must have good reasons for wanting to stick with what we have. It's not like we're taking anything away from the squad by buying Berbatov
It's seems to me that you're disagreeing for the sake of it Boring
Hunter is not in the same league.
Unfortunately our biggest loss would be to lose Hycool to Spurs.
What makes you say that?
By sticking with what we have, we 1) will have one less potential cnut in the squad, kicking up fuzz and 2) Campbell will potentially get more games, which I think both the lad and the club will benefit from in the long run.
do we have a annual transfer budget set aside every season ..
Well whatever.......back end of October ? November ? The point is that we're not going to see him play for us for a lot longer than we'd care for
Raven_Blade? If Berbatov is such a classy player then any young players should only benefit from training and playing alongside him
It will give Campbell a chance to gain more experience, which I think we can reap benefits from in 2-3-4 years time.
Spurs wont let him "rot in the reserves", it's just fighting talk in an attempt to sound big and putting up a fight. Levy has made himself look like a prick already and will look even more pathetic once they accept a bid less than £30m. Ramos has already complained about the distraction of the situation and the players aren't going to be thrilled either. I don't know how dependent the Berba deal is on Spurs's getting new recruits but this could be a while yet it seems... It'll be done though.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him back end of next month.
Anyway, you don't spend £30m on a player just because another player is out for a couple of months.
There's enough class players for the youngsters to get that benefit from.
Nothing beats playing in terms of gaining experience though.
Coward. You should know that you shoudnt take everything I say so literally. Post as much as you want until your middle name becomes Berbatov.
He is not a "blue chip prospect" like Rooney or Ronaldo. Playing Campbell that might develop into a striker good enough for a mid-table team instead of a quality striker will cost us points, maybe titles.
Of course thats not a reason. Maybe because he is "one player who would enhance us a great deal" according to Fergie himself. There is very little wrong with our squad and only a select few players could improve on what we already have.
From a player development point of view obviously if Campbell gets more games his allround game develops, and in the long run he's always going to be a better investment than Berbatov. He has 7 years on Berbatov, he doesn't cost us 30million and he hasn't shown any sort of attitude problems.
The thing is though boring....you're making valid points that have very little to do with the reasons behind the Berbatov purchase. Long-term is irrelevant when a team like United more often than not buy a player for the purpose of hitting the ground running. Almost immediate impact.
Also you're assuming Berbatov will be a problem in the dressing room.
Huntelaar is going to Real. They have tracked him 2 years and he wants to join them. If he don't join them now it will be his "dream" to join them in 2-3 years time.
If Campbell or someone else has enough talent, I really dont think adding another striker to our squad would mean that player wouldnt end up as good as he could have had we not signed a striker. After all it is still SAF managing our team, and he do love giving youngsters a chance
Solskjaer wasn't a "blue chip prospect" like Rooney or Ronaldo. Nor was Butt, O'Shea, Phil or Gary Neville etc etc.
Campbell > Huntelaar
Cnut, let me give you a scenario. Champions League semis against Inter Milan but we're without Rooney and Tevez through injury. Now to lead the line, are you telling me Berbatov is so much better than Campbell for that situation? I know you're very much thinking long-term with the view that if Campbell gets enough experience that he'll develop into a top player but he's not going to start many games for us regardless IMO, and would be better off at Hull. Yes, Ronaldo can play up-top as he did against Roma and Barcelona but he's clearly much difficult to pick up coming in from the wing.
EDIT - Meant "Berbatov is not so much better"
Ronaldo not being available is only 1 of my reasons. Spending 30m on a player for just this purpose would be ridiculous. There are various other reasons why buying Berbatov will increase out chances of defending the title
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