It is clear. If you don't see that then it's something you don't see. My point is that we don't need Berbatov as much as people seem to think we do, but assuming we do sign someone we need a goalscorer. Ronaldo is not a striker, Tevez doesn't score enough, Rooney doesn't score enough. There is a deficiency there.
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It is clear. If you don't see that then it's something you don't see. My point is that we don't need Berbatov as much as people seem to think we do, but assuming we do sign someone we need a goalscorer. Ronaldo is not a striker, Tevez doesn't score enough, Rooney doesn't score enough. There is a deficiency there.
Hang on BR - Clapham Common is frightfully genteel - you don't get much street life there (Oh, unless you include Labour junior ministers dogging.)
The difference from the Ronaldo case is that we are privately owned and can therefore afford to make such a decision whereas Spurs are obliged to sell in order to get the best value for their player due to the clubs ownership situation. If they kept him in the reserves the board would effectively lose out on his potential fee and his wages, whereas if they sold him, it would have the same effect, i.e. him not being available in matches, and they would get lots of money. For that reason, as much as Mr. Levy wants to be stubborn, he'll be forced into accepting a deal eventually. I'm beginning to think tht when SAF said that time was on our side a month ago he was spot on. Even Ramos seems to be worrying now.
Have one on me!
Cheers mate!! (Slurp-smack- AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!)
You know it's not at all bad?
If it was such a clear weakness then we wouldn't have won the league twice and the Champions League.
You don't need to have a pure goalscoring striker to be successful. If that were the case we would have won nothing in the last few years.
Correct.
The point here is not if the trio Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez can score goals, but what if they are injured, who are their backup... campbell, munucho when he gets fit and unbreakable saha. Last season we were lucky the trio baring for rooney were fit for most of the games. This season opener we missed Tevez and ronaldo , and you know the result. Its not as if we didn't create chances, we just couldn't finish . Plus there was no stiker on the sub bench to replace Rooney when he was tiring at the end of the game. Our squad is young and it will continue to improve, but we definitely need another striker if we have to continue our golden run
Yeah....Clapham Common is well posh
That's not what I was debating about with him. He was making the argument we need a goalscoring striker more than Berbatov, that's not the case.
I'm not denying Berbatov would be a very good signing, as he would give us better back-up and more options.
Not disagreeing with you, but injuries may sometimes make him handy even in midfield. Couldn't see it happening this season considering how many CM's there are at the club, but still he played vs Newcastle. Hopefully his last appearance in midfield this season, but you never know.
Arshavin is not leaving.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...Arshavin-depart-says-Zenit-boss-Advocaat.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...Arshavin-depart-says-Zenit-boss-Advocaat.html
thats true , but we definitely need a goal scorer. If we can't get Berba, Hunterlaar is a good option. Getting the best dosen't guarentee anything. I hope SAF is not infatuated with Berbatov, like many of us are.
Has there ever been a chairman who would cut off his nose to spite his face?
Levy set's an arbitrary price on Berbatov and insists on it being met!
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Levy set's an arbitrary price on Berbatov and insists on it being met!
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Rhetoric? We'll know within the week.Has there ever been a chairman that would cut off it's nose to spite it's face?
Levy set's an arbitrary price on Berbatov and insists on it being met!
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Oh oh....spanner in the works?
If we needed a goalscorer we wouldn't be going for Berbatov. Berbatov is not a goalscorer.
Bollocks, you don't sign a player in the same position for £24M and not expect to be offloading the incumbent. They're holding out for best offer...
Zenit are loaded with cash, they can easily spend that much on the best player in the league and keep Arshavin as well.
Does he play in the same position?
Spurs Will Leave Berbatov In Reserves
Tottenham are willing to make Dimitar Berbatov play reserve-team football if they do not receive a suitable offer for the striker from Manchester United.
Spurs are understood to be looking for at least £30million for the 27-year-old - who has handed in a transfer request in pursuit of a move to Old Trafford - and they are waiting for a bid from United before the end of the transfer window.
The transfer saga led to Berbatov missing Saturday's defeat to Sunderland after being deemed psychologically unfit and a threat to dressing-room harmony - and a repeat could see the Bulgaria captain feature in Clive Allen's second-string team.
Head coach Juande Ramos and Berbatov met on Sunday for more talks about the future of the £10.9million signing from Bayer Leverkusen, with his absence over the weekend leading to his departure looking inevitable.
The ball now looks to be in United's court, with the crucial factor being what they genuinely value the player at.
Historically, United do not find themselves backed into a corner during transfer negotiations - their interest in Michael Essien and Arjen Robben fell away when the price was not right. Rather than being held to ransom, they have been willing to miss out on a player.
They also tend to do their business earlier in the summer rather than leaving it until close to the deadline to complete deals for players.
Striking a deal with Spurs would also probably see the Premier League complaint against United dropped, after they were effectively accused of tapping-up Berbatov.
Spurs would ideally want to bring in a striker before allowing Berbatov to leave, particularly as Darren Bent is their only available out-and-out striker at the moment.
Radamel Falcao from River Plate is the latest name to be linked with a move to White Hart Lane, with Wigan's Emile Heskey also reported over the weekend as a potential target.
Another spanner in the works although it was from Football 365.
Tottenham are willing to make Dimitar Berbatov play reserve-team football if they do not receive a suitable offer for the striker from Manchester United.
Spurs are understood to be looking for at least £30million for the 27-year-old - who has handed in a transfer request in pursuit of a move to Old Trafford - and they are waiting for a bid from United before the end of the transfer window.
The transfer saga led to Berbatov missing Saturday's defeat to Sunderland after being deemed psychologically unfit and a threat to dressing-room harmony - and a repeat could see the Bulgaria captain feature in Clive Allen's second-string team.
Head coach Juande Ramos and Berbatov met on Sunday for more talks about the future of the £10.9million signing from Bayer Leverkusen, with his absence over the weekend leading to his departure looking inevitable.
The ball now looks to be in United's court, with the crucial factor being what they genuinely value the player at.
Historically, United do not find themselves backed into a corner during transfer negotiations - their interest in Michael Essien and Arjen Robben fell away when the price was not right. Rather than being held to ransom, they have been willing to miss out on a player.
They also tend to do their business earlier in the summer rather than leaving it until close to the deadline to complete deals for players.
Striking a deal with Spurs would also probably see the Premier League complaint against United dropped, after they were effectively accused of tapping-up Berbatov.
Spurs would ideally want to bring in a striker before allowing Berbatov to leave, particularly as Darren Bent is their only available out-and-out striker at the moment.
Radamel Falcao from River Plate is the latest name to be linked with a move to White Hart Lane, with Wigan's Emile Heskey also reported over the weekend as a potential target.
Another spanner in the works although it was from Football 365.
When asked if Danny's signing would allow Arshavin to go, Advocaat told reporters: 'No, because Andrei is still with Zenit, and I am still not sure if he is going away.'
Seems you know more than the St. Petersbourg manager, bbest.
I've been walking around with it out for the past few weeks. My boss is starting to wonder why I never leave my desk...How long before I can pull out my c**k?
How long, how long must I sing this song?
It depends on the club. Will one of Rooney/Tevez/Ronaldo be offloaded when Berby arrives?
I'm not even sure why spurs think they need Arshavin.
This is painful to hear.
Because Levy needs one. Overdue.
We need a striker badly because we look like an average team when one or two of our forwards are missing. But 30m is far too much for Berbatov? They should not have been so stupid as to leave it so late that it would not give us any time to pursue other options.
ole_gunner and surf say Rooney Tevez and Ronaldo are set to depart!
In a shocking move today at redcafe, internet stalwarts ole_gunner and surf sparked rumours that the Holy Trinity are set to leave Manchester United to make way for the inevitable signing of Berbatov from Spurs. Sources at the club are holding their cards close to their chest, but when asked if there was any truth in the rumours a man outside the stadium said 'eh?'. This, coupled with ole_gunner and surf's comments, seems to spell the unfortunate departure of United's talismanic front three, a situation which will infuriate boss Ferguson after a long summer holding off advances on Christiano Ronaldo from Madrid.
The journalist never says that Arshavin was staying though, only you did, the journalist reports that 'the record signing of Portugal international midfielder Danny doesn't necessarily mean that Andrei Arshavin is on the verge of leaving the club.' Only you interpereted, and subsequently reported, that this meant that, and i quote, 'Arshavin is not leaving.'
Did you not see last week's match? Can you not see how mediocre we were up front? The fact is that we have 2 strikers, Rooney and Tevez. That is not enough. Ronaldo is a winger who scores goals, fair enough. But when players get injured, and we lose a couple of them, we are average. By the time Ronaldo comes back to full fitness, we may have dropped too many points to make up. We need a goalscorer, simple as that. It was pure luck that Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez stayed practically injury free last season. Chelsea look like they have a stronger squad now and we barely tipped them for both the cl and pl last season.
When we lose two of our four best players, we are average. Just like it would be with any other team.
Do you think Berbatov is a goalscorer?
We've been through this; Brwnd was not claiming that we do not need a new striker, he readily admits that we do, he only said that we do not necessarily need a 'proven goalscorer' such as Huntelaar.
so is it still cocks out time
or should i put mine away?
or should i put mine away?
I'm fairly sure he will be signed. We'll have our cocks out by the end of the week, don't worry guys.
Ok my bad, I didn't feel like reading through all the posts since I last looked yesterday, I'd still be reading in two hours.
its cock out time, i can feel good vibes about this week, starting with tonight, followed by an announcement on wednesday saying we have signed berbatov... we are gonna be so good its ridiculous
Exactly, Advocaat was being ambiguous, you were not, you reported that Arshavin is staying.
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