None of you can moan when Ronaldo acts like this next summer lads, not having seen your reactions to this news. From a footballing point of view, I'd quite like to see Spurs hold on to him now, just to show how far club power can overreach player power, when the player is still well in contract
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he's not even in the stadium watching 
Berbatov will stop the sulking if he walks out onto the Theatre Of Dreams wearing the red, white and black.
Non sense. Berbatov's behaviour is even worse. All the valid reason talk does not cut it, it is the same situation with a club holding a player who has a contract with them.
Suprisingly intelligent comment. Unfortunately in football today money talks and an unhappy player isn't worth keeping.
Whether Ronnie was unhappy or just a greedy bastard is open to question, but a club of tottenham stature cannot afford to have a 20mil+ player on the sidelines for non injury reasons. They are slowly being left with no choice.
If Ronaldo had signed a Madrid shirt we'd have called for his head!
And rightly so. I doubt Spurs fans will ever forgive him.
Come on Berbatov
Both.
Charming
I think the great thing about the window system, is that the speculation comes to a halt on 1st September (technically 2nd this year). At that point, if Spurs have the player still, its suddenly in his own interest to get his attitude right and start performing
He can't complain, he signed a contract to be at Spurs at the current time with his own hand. His agent should have negotiated a suitible escape release fee at the time. If Spurs want to keep hold of him, its just tough shit for the lad frankly
I don't care if its trying to come here or leave here, I hate seeing players acting like this. I thought Berbatov had conducted himself reasonably well in the press this summer, thats changed in the last week or so though
To be honest If you look at the picture of him signing the shirt I'm not even sure he was aware it was a united shirt.
Perhaps. But he's clearly forced(well almost) a transfer to another club. Ronaldo didn't quite have the balls to go as far as Berbs. I suppose the biggest difference has been that we've actually made a bid for the Bulgarian, whereas Real didn't make one for Ronaldo, by all accounts.
Anyway, Robinho to Chelsea amuses me. Chuckle.
At least he won't be tired for Monday
Does anyone know what time we'd have to sign him by for him to be able to play on Monday?
At least he won't be tired for Monday
Heres hoping eh? Will he be eligible to play though if we were to aquire him? Bank Holiday weekend and all.. Office might not be open on monday.. and would have to be done same say, is that ok?
Yesterday I think.
Berb is behaving like Calderon wanted Ronnie to behave but in retrospect Ronnie would have nothing of it. Ronnie had one decision to make.......which is the better team for me? And he chose United. Which is why Fergie is confident he will stay longer.Charming
I think the great thing about the window system, is that the speculation comes to a halt on 1st September (technically 2nd this year). At that point, if Spurs have the player still, its suddenly in his own interest to get his attitude right and start performing
He can't complain, he signed a contract to be at Spurs at the current time with his own hand. His agent should have negotiated a suitible escape release fee at the time. If Spurs want to keep hold of him, its just tough shit for the lad frankly
I don't care if its trying to come here or leave here, I hate seeing players acting like this. I thought Berbatov had conducted himself reasonably well in the press this summer, thats changed in the last week or so though
This berb progress today is wonderful news. The levy has burst.
He won't play for us on Monday even if we signed him today. We're not that desperate. berb's for the future
I think that's only for weekend games, I don't know whether a bank holiday Monday game would be included in that.
Possiblky, but were pretty stretched at the minute. Push Rooney onto a wing maybe and have him upfront. Hard to say.
Lets sign him first though eh?
Nah, come on Berbatov. Tell Levy he's a twat and stub a fag out on his eyelid. Go on son.
Thats in interesting interpretation of the Ronaldo saga Bahama. My reading was more that Fergie told him he didn't have a choice, he wasn't going anywhere, leaving Ronaldo no other option than to come out with his concilitory comments
If only someone had created some kind of a thread dedicated purely to Ronaldo talk... would have saved us talking about it in the Berbatov thread... bit slack from Caftards that. Might have been popular too
Thats in interesting interpretation of the Ronaldo saga Bahama. My reading was more that Fergie told him he didn't have a choice, he wasn't going anywhere, leaving Ronaldo no other option than to come out with his concilitory comments
If only someone had created some kind of a thread dedicated purely to Ronaldo talk... would have saved us talking about it in the Berbatov thread... bit slack from Caftards that. Might have been popular too
Ronaldo could've handed in a transfer request. I think Real were banking on it, in fact.
And how would that show then? Would we lose our team spirit?
If Ronnie would have handed in a transfer request it would've been a different ball game altogether in his saga.Thats in interesting interpretation of the Ronaldo saga Bahama. My reading was more that Fergie told him he didn't have a choice, he wasn't going anywhere, leaving Ronaldo no other option than to come out with his concilitory comments
If only someone had created some kind of a thread dedicated purely to Ronaldo talk... would have saved us talking about it in the Berbatov thread... bit slack from Caftards that. Might have been popular too
I do recall some discussion about Ronaldo in one of the threads. Perhaps we should start one.
Exactly why would it have been a different matter if Ronaldo had handed a transfer request in?
In all actuality, bar a personal cost to Ronaldo forfitting certain monetary rights, it matters feck all. And I don't think United were squabbling over such costs frankly
Berbatov has handed in a transfer request hasn't he? So how is that doing for him then? Spurs could still easily adopt the same position we did with Ronaldo
In all actuality, bar a personal cost to Ronaldo forfitting certain monetary rights, it matters feck all. And I don't think United were squabbling over such costs frankly
Berbatov has handed in a transfer request hasn't he? So how is that doing for him then? Spurs could still easily adopt the same position we did with Ronaldo
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I think the great thing about the window system, is that the speculation comes to a halt on 1st September (technically 2nd this year). At that point, if Spurs have the player still, its suddenly in his own interest to get his attitude right and start performing
He can't complain, he signed a contract to be at Spurs at the current time with his own hand. His agent should have negotiated a suitible escape release fee at the time. If Spurs want to keep hold of him, its just tough shit for the lad frankly
I don't care if its trying to come here or leave here, I hate seeing players acting like this. I thought Berbatov had conducted himself reasonably well in the press this summer, thats changed in the last week or so though
All true and noble sentiment but whereas a club like ours can say to ronnie you can play for us or sit in the stands because we have players who can come in and with the right preparation they can get the job done in place of ronnie(admittedly probably not as stylishly), tottenham simply do not currently have a player who can do what berbatov does for them.You look at last weeks opener at middlesborough and they looked a different side when berbatov came on.
Now the question is do you keep the player in the hope that when the transfer window closes he somehow becomes more settled, whilst at the same time realising that this could backfire and he's performances and mood swings might just plummet.
Or on the other hand do you cutt your losses and sell the player for 20mil+ and use that money to buy one or two players who can come in and do a job.
Judging by levy's comments before reporting us to the FA I think he's already decided to cutt he's losses but is simply play time for a better deal, berbatov's current actions however may have throw a spanner into the works with that idea.
A bit patronising to Spurs. The money they've spent in recent years, there's no good reason why they shouldn't be competing for Champions league places, and perhaps more
If you hadn't noticed, we don't have another Ronaldo in our squad either!
If as you say Spurs look a different team with Berbatov starting, in a game during the heart of speculation, I fancy Spurs would happily hold on to the player despite concerns over his attitude
If Ronnie would've handed in a transfer request the fans for one would be treating him very differently. Plus we would have a player who definitely didn't want to be with us. Fergie still wouldn't have let him go (so he says) but it would have been a player not wanting to be with us. Very similar to the berb today. I doubt we would have kept a player who didn't want to be with us.
The transfer request seems to be working for the berb. He's not in the team today is he? Levy must now be looking at the $ even more, in place of a player who doesn't want to be with them. This is probably the Ramliberber that broke the camel's back.
the difference is, true or not, Ronaldo would never have stropped anyway. it wouldn' have effected his performance and he wouldn't be detremental to his team mates performance.
Ronaldo also came out and say he's not unhappy
That's what makes spurs position different and they might be stubbon but ultimately it comes down to ramos. If berbatov keeps it up then spurs don't have much of a choice
I mean, he might be moody all season and that could cost spurs a lot. if he's not playing today because his heads not right, they're in an awkward position.
Ronaldo wanted to move to Madrid mate, he's admitted so himself in his concession. Some fans may wish to con themselves its not so because he didn't hand in a transfer request, but more fool them
I fancy a lesser manager than Ferguson and the lad wouldn't be here now
The Ronaldo saga was during the heart of the summer, not as the season started. It would have been interesting to see how Fergie played it had the circumstances been different. I have no idea whether Berbatovs actions are working, I fancy not unless United move to a price Spurs are willing to accept, which naturally will be more than his actual 'market' worth. Whether United consider such a price to be worth it to us, we'll soon see. But like Madrid, its not for us to set our own price, we have to pay whatever they are willing to sell for, and its just tough shit if we don't, we won't get the player
I think that's spot on. Ronaldo doesn't let the off pitch situation effect his play, he will still go out there and try to play to his best ability. Whether that is professionalism or sheer competitiveness, it makes the situation Spurs have with Berbatov different.
The statement; " I have not selected him as I do not think that he is focused enough and I do not feel that he will be good for the dressing room and the team effort, " cuts to the root of the problem. I think this is going to continue to happen for some time if Spurs don't sell Berbatov by the end of the month.
It's too bad but all the good moves Spurs have made in the off season will come to naught if they don't settle this. If they don't want to sell to United, fine, but off load Berbatov to Barcelona or AC Milan for a lot less than United are offering, because what looked like a promising season will be destroyed if they don't act soon.
Ahem, earlier I said they were having Ramly Berber during the showdown talk, and it now proves decisive. Hail Ibu Ramli.
Carrick, Saha, Hargreaves...all did worse than Ronaldo, and at pretty much at the same level as Berbs.
Berbatov is getting desperate. He was hoping that the two clubs would come to an agreement without him getting too involved. But now with the window getting so close to closing, he sees his chance for joining a top club slipping away and is starting to get desperate.
I think people are getting their knickers in a twist drawing comparisons to Ronnie and his alleged situation.
Berbs has been making it clear for a very long time that he wants to join Utd. Whilst Spurs continues to ignore or hinder his "want", things will deteriorate to a point of no return. In fact, I am sure he is there now and he has seriously devalued himself.
If Ronnie had been making serious leaving noises for as long as Berbs has, he would have gone this Summer.
This whole situation is all about Levy being pig-headed.
Berbs has been making it clear for a very long time that he wants to join Utd. Whilst Spurs continues to ignore or hinder his "want", things will deteriorate to a point of no return. In fact, I am sure he is there now and he has seriously devalued himself.
If Ronnie had been making serious leaving noises for as long as Berbs has, he would have gone this Summer.
This whole situation is all about Levy being pig-headed.
He wanted to go to Madrid, but he was never desperate. His dream is to play in Spain, but he likes it here, respects the manager and his team-mates, and is still young so knows he has plenty of time. Anybody who was able to keep a clear-head throughout the saga knew how it was going to turn out. I, and a number of others, called it exactly right from the beginning of the off-season.
If Berbatov were 23, I think he'd be fairly happy to stay at Spurs for another season or two, just like Ronaldo is with us. Equally, if Ronaldo were 27 he'd be much more likely to have tried to force the move to happen now. But in reality it's Berbatov who is 27 and knows that time is somewhat running out.
I'd draw a comparison between this and the Barry saga personally
Player clearly wants to leave for the bigger club. Club don't want to sell, but set a very pricey amount at which they'll sanction it. Buying club thinks the price is too much, but the saga continues because they want the player. Player gets more desperate and starts coming out in the media. Player is sanctioned in some way
How did that saga finish? Barry still at Villa
Unless the buying club agrees to pay the desired price, Berbatov stays. If United were willing to pay such a price, the player would already be here. For me, Berbatov is still unlikely to come here, unless we change our monetary stance, perhaps out of desperation more than anything
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