Last year of his contract, no ?
Thiago was also better at his job than Mctominay...
Also Pavard isn't considered homegrown...
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Thiago was also better at his job than Mctominay...
Also Pavard isn't considered homegrown...
In a similar profile, I would prefer someone like Kalulu but I don't know how much Milan would ask for him. Kalulu can do what both Todibo and Pavard can but he is younger and has competed at a higher level than Todibo. Though I know people will have an issue with his size.
The question would be how much we expect our fullback to offer in attack as there seems to be a trend towards using fullbacks more conservatively at the moment.
If it's a case that we plan to effectively use him in the role City use Akanji and Arsenal look to be using White/Timber, ball progression becomes more important than attacking output. As he would primarily be forming part of the 3 in a 3-2-5 shape in possession.
I think this is essentially what will happen, Luke Shaw will be expected to bomb further up the pitch, and Casemiro will be supported by the inverting Pavard.
Pavard is an incrementally better RB but not transformational compared to what we have to be honest. I feel like we get could get more bang for the buck in other ways.
Stick him up top. 7 goals last season has him well above our strikers...
My favorite from the 3 we seem to be linked to. His ability to play RB too is a huge plus, as he'd probably start at RB for us.
And with his contract situation and his age, it seems like a no brainer to get him.
And with his contract situation and his age, it seems like a no brainer to get him.
Well then... right you are. Carry on
I’ve been burnt by Bayern 2 too many times. Don’t trust it
Would be just about joint top scorer for Chelsea, for real.
Makes sense. But where does that leave Dalot and AWB, who just yesterday we were rumored to be extending the contract?
This is a really interesting one for me. I was hoping more for a CB who can take over from Varane rather than an additional squad player. For the RB I was hoping for a better one who can invert to provide support to Casemiro. This seems to be a compromise of the 2 types.
Thankfully he plays for Bayern's first team
Not a fan of this guy in the least, we should go for younger with a higher ceiling.
We already have a Lindelof at a similar age, who's better imo.
We already have a Lindelof at a similar age, who's better imo.
His versatility just about puts him ahead of the other two defenders we are reportedly been linked to , but wary of getting any quick deal off Bayern.
His top level experience for club and Country should mean very little bedding in time and you would expect him to hit the ground running should we sign him.
His top level experience for club and Country should mean very little bedding in time and you would expect him to hit the ground running should we sign him.
Pavard knows what to do and when to do it across the right flank; he’s not a project or someone still learning on the job like our current options are, and moreover, he can be trusted with tactical instructions, like Shaw. I don’t know how that isn’t transformational compared to what we currently have in the position who are learning on the job and found wanting in numerous aspects of RB play let alone these tucking and inverting aspects. Pavard is also a legitimate goal threat who needs to be closed down before he shoots which in turn provides space and opportunities for his flanker and those inside (Bruno) in ways we simply cannot conjure up at the moment.
He’s a huge upgrade on what we have in the position and he covers another role as well as enabling smooth switches to a back 3 in-game. He’s a transformative player by definition for us as so much of what he would provide, we are currently bereft of.
He's a level above either and far better from a tactical perspective.
The question is will he be happy playing RB when not at CB as he won't necessarily start over Varane, who is still imo a world class defender when fit.
I don't particularly rate him was below par at one world cup. It's another strange signing from the club would prefer Todibo who has shown more promise. It's another signing closer to the 30's. The club should be signing a long-term replacement for Varane not an individual closer to his profile. A poor signing for me replacing Maguire with another very questionable option.
Yeah his versatility gives him the edge for me,like I said in a previous post we are still gonna replace Varane with a top class CB WHEN Utd feel the time has come
Half agree as CB - he is not noticeable better at least. And based on his previous history, if Pavard moves, he will probably request a clause or guarantees on playing the majority of games as CB, rather than RB.
As a cb option I think I'd prefer Tapsoba or Todibo, partly due to the age profile. If the idea is for him to start most games at rb I'm more open to it. Very good value for a player of his quality no doubt, I'd just prefer us to be targeting players age 25 and below at the moment where possible (unless the player's a massive upgrade like Kane for example).
Really? Ivanovo was a tank! I’d say he’s more similar to Ben White in terms of physique and technical ability
Yeah I would agree with that if we are looking for more of a natural CB,however if they are targeting someone more flexible then I'm all for this signing
This is becoming a serious concern as far as the prospective direction for the team in the long run. One criticism for both ETH alongside Murtough is that they are putting a team together as opposed to building one. Almost like ETH is the manager of the club for the next 3 years as opposed to a multitude of seasons.
There needs to be more of a long-term strategy in the market especially in a financial climate where its nearly impossible to compete with the Chelsea's, Newcastle's and City's refreshing a squad every few seasons. This is a poor signing and add Amrabat if Mctomminay leaves it's not a good profile of transfers for me personally.
They are both defensive fullbacks that can be useful going forward but are largely relied on to bring defensive balance when the team is attacking. It was a tactical point more than anything else. And I'm not familiar with Ben White, so maybe he is a better example but I can't make it myself.
WOW you make me look positively optimistic
Indeed, that's the main doubt I would have about realistic the idea is. It would seem like overkill in that position this season, even if it would just end with one of them being moved on next summer.
But then if we weren't signing him to play significant minutes at RB, I don't particularly get the appeal of him over some of the younger CB options mentioned.
Agreed. However United will point to the fact Pavard has one year left on his contract.
Getting either of Pavard/Todibo in for Maguire, is a win in my book. I'm not gonna complain with either.
Would be a smart 2-in-1 signing to cover CB and RB. Wouldn't surprise me if he quickly displaces Wan-Dalot as starting RB.
But if he's really going to moan about being played at RB as someone on here mentioned maybe we should steer clear of him and go for Todibo instead.
But if he's really going to moan about being played at RB as someone on here mentioned maybe we should steer clear of him and go for Todibo instead.
Agree. I'm not sure on Tabsoba though. He seems a bit slow, slow movements on/off the ball.
-----------------------Onana
----------Pavard--Varane--Licha
---------------------Casemiro
Antony-Bruno-Mount-Rashford-Shaw
-----------------------Hojlund
This 3-1-6 is a very common in possession shape for Ten Hag.
----------Pavard--Varane--Licha
---------------------Casemiro
Antony-Bruno-Mount-Rashford-Shaw
-----------------------Hojlund
This 3-1-6 is a very common in possession shape for Ten Hag.
Oh yeah totally agree if that's the case
I once bought Oreo biscuits from the Bayern shop, it had no cream in it.
We don't need another RB!
Yeah we do because he is better all round than our current options in that position
I would say it is very much debatable if either AWB or Dalot are really good enough for the top level. Pavard also gives a useful option for playing on the right of a three that the others are not suited to.
Yes we most certainly do. Neither AWB or Dalot are good enough. Massive weakness in the squad
This is completely wrong. The age profile of the squad was concerning when EtH arrived and before Murtough took up his current role. If anything they've done their best to improve the age profile of the squad and balance that with bringing in actual quality. Most of the signings they've made are the right side of 25, other than Casemiro and Onana. Casemiro was a no brainer and had an instant impact on the team, and Onana is a GK, so at 27 still has plenty of time left in him.
Pavard is 27, and Amrabat turns 27 in about a week. They're not old men, they're theoretically entering their prime. Pavard is younger than Maguire and Lindelof as well, so he's be a younger option in that department.
EtH has also done his best to integrate a youth player like Garnacho, and is trying to do the same with Mainoo.
He’s coming in to cover at CB and RB. He’s better than both RB’s.
I agree that he’d be a great option. It’s only that the other names appeared to represent not only an option, but longer term succession planning too. They are a fair bit younger and with good growth potential to succeed Varane in time.