Worth noting that if he's played significant minutes at both RB and CB last season (and I don't know what minutes he got in each) then that might impact his stats in comparison to players who just play CB or fullback. How it would impact it I have no idea and I'm pretty confident his passing stats in particular would be very strong in either position, but it's worth bearing in mind.
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Worth noting that if he's played significant minutes at both RB and CB last season (and I don't know what minutes he got in each) then that might impact his stats in comparison to players who just play CB or fullback. How it would impact it I have no idea and I'm pretty confident his passing stats in particular would be very strong in either position, but it's worth bearing in mind.
Are his stats not skewed by the fact he plays both RB and CB? The stats in the picture are compared to CBs, and as Pavard played more at RB it makes sense that he'd have much more progressive carries. It would be interesting to see his stats broken down into when he plays RB and when he plays CB.
It's healthy competition. Varane is quite injury-prone as well, so there is a possibility Pavard will play alot in CB position.
Besides, Pavard has a better chance playing in CB for us than for Bayern. Kim-De Ligt, that's stiff competition!
I don’t think he’s a guaranteed game changer, and if we went for someone younger I wouldn’t mind. I do really like him though.
The stats are very impressive and I'm not discouraging or encouraging any of the 3.
This is a little unfair though as Pavard player for the dominant team in his league and played a different position most of the time.
Unfair comparison, especially for the first 2 columns.
I think he'd be best utilised on the right where he would invert in-field to provide balance to either the midfield or defensive line. And he could provide CB cover in case Varane is unavailable. So it's easy to see why a player of his profile would be of interest to us as a player who has the ability to provide security in possession in the defensive third.
But i'd only choose Pavard ahead of someone like Todibo if the plan was to sign someone like a Ousmane Diomande or Antonio Silva next season.
But i'd only choose Pavard ahead of someone like Todibo if the plan was to sign someone like a Ousmane Diomande or Antonio Silva next season.
Well then... right you are. Carry on
I will drop a smiley next time so it is easier to see that i am kidding
I don’t see 3/3.5 years as a matter of ‘only’, and I also don’t think there’s any guarantee Varane gets another 3/4 years as an undisputed starter with a quality young player applying pressure.
I’d rather Todibo who is a far better athlete. Physically imposing and rapid. I think within 12-18 months he can be applying pressure to become first choice, at which point he’d be under 25 still.
I also anticipate that Pavard will be another straight in at the 200k+ club in terms of salary. I don’t see that value to us personally. He’s the wrong status profile for what I think we need. We need a young centre half with great potential to balance the existing group.
To be fair this is mixing up his minutes as a full back and centre-back, but only comparing it to other centre backs. So of course it seems a lot more progressive. If you compare it to other full backs (which you can do on fbref at the top of that table) you get a seemingly less positive picture, because of course, you're now comparing pure full backs to someone who is partially a centre back.
I have done some scouting. I have watched a 10 minuted youtube compilation and feel that i can safely say that Pavard is a great defender.
iI begs the question why WHU didn't move for Pavard instead of Maguire?
He has taken 46 shots and scored one league goal from outside the box in his entire career.
You're just imagining things based on him scoring one incredible volley in the World Cup five years ago.
Cause Pavard wants Champions League?
That would be the best option but how much would he cost?
Why would Pavard go to West Ham?
Wouldn't be against this at all. Just turned 27. Would be a starter at RB and cover for Varane at CB. I'd imagine we'd move on a right back in this scenario though, gives us 2 bench RBs as he would likely start. Gives extra height, strength, solidity and calmness on the ball.
From looking at his tackling numbers and watching his positioning and timing I would actually rather have him against Vinicius Jr tomorrow personally. No offense to AWB as I wouldn't mind him either but Pavard is just more solid.
Exactly
Bayern want 30-35m or so, basically whatever we get for Maguire will go into replacing him
Maguire fits more of what Moyes wants to do, and Pavard probably wouldn't move to West Ham.
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Because Pavard isn't a pure CB and West Ham is likely not one of his favoured destinations. You could ask this question for most transfers tbh.
Ask silly questions...
Absolutely, he also plays for the dominant side in his league which will increase things such as how many passes he makes and progressive carries ect.
If we go for Pavard and get him for what we sell Maguire for its amazing business.
ETH is just building, it will be a fantastic summer if we conclude both.
ETH is just building, it will be a fantastic summer if we conclude both.
This is one where we could probably haggle for a good deal in our favour. Player wanting to leave, one year left on contract, we’re not desperate for him and have some other options.
Seems unreal getting rid of Maguire and replacing him with Pavard. It’s a smart choice from ETH though to go for a RB that can comfortably play CB. Means we’re getting 2 signings in 1 player. Varane probably ain’t playing 2 games a week once the CL starts. We could have sold Dalot but guessing that’s out the question with him not long signing a new contract.
The player wouldn't fancy it i reckon.
You think he’d of been tempted to join them? Someone who’s coming from Bayern wants another big European team to join. Unless you’re really awful.
This transfer is really exciting but I guess it sort've depends on how confident ETH is with AWB and Dalot. If he's confident in the two right back options we have now I'd rather get a more specialized CB as Pavard would be less useful if we don't plan on him starting at right back quite a bit.
If the idea is that he's a better right back than what we have so he can start there in most of the big games with Varane at center back and then cover Varane when he needs a rest it makes perfect sense.
If the idea is that he's a better right back than what we have so he can start there in most of the big games with Varane at center back and then cover Varane when he needs a rest it makes perfect sense.
It'd be such a big upgrade to get a RB who can cover CB and move into midfield alongside Casemiro, a total no-brainer. But it seemed to me like Pavard wasn't good enough on the ball to move into midfield very well, and that seems a lot more important than getting CB cover. Is he better on the ball than I remember? He just seemed to define the France team with four centre backs: functional but boring, and not very pretty in the build up.
Should we be at all worried about Martinez and Pavard aerially?
I know all the doubters learned their lesson about Licha last summer but I think Varane being so dominant in the air was a big help.
I know all the doubters learned their lesson about Licha last summer but I think Varane being so dominant in the air was a big help.
This one’s moving surprisingly fast and a bunch of media people are reporting it.
Pavard and Amrabat to finish off the summer buys and I’ll consider that a 9/10 window.
Pavard and Amrabat to finish off the summer buys and I’ll consider that a 9/10 window.
Its been speculated that Ten Hag may want to move to a back 3 like City have. Pavard would be a big step towards making that possible. He'd be perfect as the right sided CB in a 3. With Martinez on the left youve got two very technically capable players for playing out of the back there.
It's exactly that but Pavard's stats are still very impressive at full-back. It might be that Ten Hag wants him for that hybrid role and favours him ahead of Dalot and Wan-Bissaka at RB.
If theyre in a three then the one in the middle is the one you need to be good aerially. Obviously Varane is the one in the middle.
WH is Maguire's level. Pavard is not WH's level.
Yeah I'm more talking about the scenario of him covering for Varane next to Martinez.
Sensational considering we were expecting us to be tight for cash. We've negotiated far better this summer.