No but in settled possession we typically take up a 3-2-5/3-1-6 shape, with one of the fullbacks forming part of the back three while the other takes up positions further forward.
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No but in settled possession we typically take up a 3-2-5/3-1-6 shape, with one of the fullbacks forming part of the back three while the other takes up positions further forward.
He may well be a good RB, but that’s been primarily what he has been for the past 5 years. He doesn’t have top centre half pedigree IMO. The way I see it, if Bayern had brought in a very top centre half, he’d have been played there and they would have acted differently in the market regarding a RB. They have bought in a number of ‘top’ centre halves since Pavard such as Hernandez, Upamecano, De Ligt. It doesn’t look like they have seen him as a regular centre half.
As a RB, I always saw him as an example of Deschamps negativity of only allowing two forward thinking players on the pitch at one time. He likes centre halves at RB, centre halves at LB and Rabiot on the wing.
I will of course defer to your judgement as I do on most things French, but that’s been my own passing observation.
Guys, anyone
HOW MUCH?
HOW MUCH?
How much are Bayern looking for? 25m?
I'm always impressed by him when he plays for France and Bayern so it's surprising that he's being sold.
A big upgrade on AWB/Dalot if we sign him and can also play centre back.
A big upgrade on AWB/Dalot if we sign him and can also play centre back.
Now were talking, a quality CB/RB that can add something in attack as well. All for it.
Kim Min Jae as well. You are making some valid points.
Going into the final year of his contract and doesn't want to sign a new one, so not surprising at all actually.
Rashford ----- Hojlund ---- Antony
--------Mount --------Bruno
-----------Shaw --- Casemiro
Martinez --- Varane --- Pavard
------------------Onana
Could be the way forward.
--------Mount --------Bruno
-----------Shaw --- Casemiro
Martinez --- Varane --- Pavard
------------------Onana
Could be the way forward.
Right back is the weak spot in the first 11 right now though. His versatility is very useful. He'll be a starter and the likes of Dalot/awb squad options. He'll play center back when we need to rest Varane.
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Anything to do with ball progression he’s just superb at. His tackling is excellent too.
I can’t put into words how excited I would be to sign him. Onana, Pavard, Martinez and Shaw would be an absolute dream in terms of ball progression and comfort on the ball. It would be an absolutely ridiculous improvement on our previous ability to do so.
That’s an unreal 11
He ain't quick but has an ok top speed.
These editors really work ultra fast nowadays. More c(h)on(g)tent for the likes of me
Swap Shaw and Martinez places.
He's scored a lot of stunning goals for a RB though.
That more conservative use of the fullback position is kind of the trend at the moment though, with midfielders then being used more aggressively.
The community shield line-ups for Arsenal and City being a prime example, with Walker, Akanji, White and Timber being the four nominal fullbacks.
Yet, after getting Hernandez, Upa, De Ligt... he still played 23 games as CB for Bayern last season, 20 at RB.
Yeah and still confident we will be in for a top CB when Utd feel it's time for Rapha to step aside
There would be a lot to be said for this line-up.
Any idea on cost?
Pavard - Varane - Martinez - Shaw
Is pretty filthy. Filling in every now and then for Varane if he is injured or as a rotation option is handy as feck as well. His ability to play both and the flexibility it offers in game is a big plus. There would be a lot to like about this if it happened.
Is pretty filthy. Filling in every now and then for Varane if he is injured or as a rotation option is handy as feck as well. His ability to play both and the flexibility it offers in game is a big plus. There would be a lot to like about this if it happened.
Pavard has been used at fullback for 6 years. That wouldn’t happen to Rio.
Rashford—————Højlund——————-Antony
—————-Mount———————Bruno
Shaw———————Casemiro————-Pavard
—————-Martinez————-Varane
——————————-Onana
What a difference from last term.
—————-Mount———————Bruno
Shaw———————Casemiro————-Pavard
—————-Martinez————-Varane
——————————-Onana
What a difference from last term.
That screamer in the 2018 World Cup,have we ever had a RB hit one like that. Obviously Evra scored that banger against Bayern
So basically, he has never been a first choice centre half. That’s not a million more games than Luke Shaw played at centre half.
If we were looking to sign KMJ, it doesn’t make sense to pivot 180 and sign Pavard. When was the last time he played as CB?
Or the other CB's werent good enough that they had to rely on him for CB.
Valencia scored an almost identical one against Everton. Rafael an even better one against QPR, and a not too dissimilar volley on his damn debut at The Emirates no less.
Yep, then Casemiro off and Sancho in and swap his and Bruno's position when needing a goal. Loads of options with the in possession shape when you get a player who can play both RB and RCB comfortably.
Valencia against Everton springs to mind, not that it was a regular occurence
€30 to 35m reported fee.
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But it’s true and it’s not a Michael Owen comment.That must be the most Michael Owen thing i ever heard
He is not a fast RB but he’s also not slow. His speed is not a strength nor is it a notable weakness that is regularly exploited so it’s a concise way of expressing this.
23 games isn’t relying on him, is the point. He’s been there long enough. He would be starting 50+ games at centre half if he was relied upon at centre half. The word you are looking for is an ‘option’, which is all he’s ever been there.
Oh I agree, I'm not arguing he's a top CB.
I'm arguing that he could be something more useful to us right now, which is someone who can play the exact conservative fullback role that's in vogue at the moment, while also providing cover at CB.
But if he's unwilling to play RB or we don't plan to use him that way then I'd be a lot less interested.
That screams manager that knows what He's doing,with the likes of garnacho,Sancho etc on the bench it's pretty sexual tbh.
Varane is rapid when he wants to be, but he is more cautious about when he sprints these days. I remember him making a statue out of Son last season. When he wants to get going, there are few faster. Wasn't it Kroos who said as long as they played together at RM, nobody at RM beat him for pace - that includes prime Ronaldo, Bale, Vinicius (?). He might have lost some, but not that much.
Martinez getting rinsed by Bailey, sure. Bailey is one of the fastest in the league. Shaw was rinsed by Jesus Navas, Lennon (old Lennon in fact), Adama etc - he's still pretty fast over distance. Martinez is still a fast centre back, and very quick over short distances.
Valencia's was against Pickford and his tiny arms. Middle of the goal.