Benjamin Pavard

Dobba said:
Absolute fecking garbage tonight.
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Tbf you could basically say the same about most of Bayern players today.

Imo he was ok. Didn't make any mistake, got a couple of nice tackles and challenges, provided some good crosses. Tuchel subbed him simply because his initial plan was fecked at half time and he would like some more penetration from his RB.
 
Appletonred said:
We all have an opinion on who we should sign, Pavard or Todibo, arguably either is an upgrade on Maguire, but ultimately, we have to trust the judgment of the Manager, and I trust that he will make the right decision.
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Yeah. He's the GOAT manager that never made mistake.
 
Appletonred said:
We all have an opinion on who we should sign, Pavard or Todibo, arguably either is an upgrade on Maguire, but ultimately, we have to trust the judgment of the Manager, and I trust that he will make the right decision.
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Like Antony and Weghorst
 
Cassidy said:
Like Antony and Weghorst
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Both are not.

And 30m for a versatile, technical and good age like Pavard won't be a mistake either. It's actually a no brainer really. Having him would allow ETH to be much more flexible and unpredictable with his tactics. And depth.
 
Isotope said:
Yeah. He's the GOAT manager that never made mistake.
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Seems a bit of a disingenuous reply to what he is saying.

I don't see anything wrong in what he said. They're definitely both upgrades on Maguire and the manager does deserve some trust. Not out of blind faith but based on performance.
 
Abraxas said:
Seems a bit of a disingenuous reply to what he is saying.

I don't see anything wrong in what he said. They're definitely both upgrades on Maguire and the manager does deserve some trust. Not out of blind faith but based on performance.
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Let's hope if we do sign him, it's a Martinez and not a Weghorst.
 
I’ve seen him play but he’s never really stood out. Worrying the amount of people saying he’s average and even more worrying that Bayern seem happy to sell

It seems like we’re trying to stretch our budget to buy a defender and midfielder….we’ll end up with 2 average players rather than choosing a position and buying the 1 better quality player. I’d rather spend 60-70m on a decent midfielder than get 2 squad players in.
 
Flying_Heckfish said:
Let's hope if we do sign him, it's a Martinez and not a Weghorst.
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I think the difference between those is fairly evident, no? ;)

One that he was willing to throw tens of millions of GBP behind and another that is a desperate mid season loan.
 
Abraxas said:
I think the difference between those is fairly evident, no? ;)

One that he was willing to throw tens of millions of GBP behind and another that is a desperate mid season loan.
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That's true of course, but the jury is still out on EtH's signing record so it's natural for people to be a bit weary. Hopefully everything turns out OK in the end, generally we are going in the right direction.

Hindsight suggests we'd have be better off with no-one rather than Weghorst though!
 
Flying_Heckfish said:
That's true of course, but the jury is still out on EtH's signing record so it's natural for people to be a bit weary. Hopefully everything turns out OK in the end, generally we are going in the right direction.

Hindsight suggests we'd have be better off with no-one rather than Weghorst though!
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It was fairly hard to predict WW would be that fecking bad. I think the prevailing thought was obviously there's a reason he's at Besiktas by way of Burnley but ultimately that in a Man United team with an acceptable scoring record behind him he could do a job. He was far more inept than seemed likely and in the end it was wrong.

I think generally we'll have a better overview of his signings after this season. Whether it's the ones we're high on like Martinez, or the ones there are doubts on like Antony, they need a period of time. I wonder how it will be viewed if Antony has an amazing season and Martinez shits the bed. Point is this season will add more data.
 
Lux Thunder said:
Personally, I don't think that's the reason why he wants to leave Bayern. He is professional, he played as right back when France won the WC.

I think he is just looking for a move to a club where he will be much more appreciated rather than having to constantly prove himself again and again while the club is bringing in new players for CB and RB roles: Mazraoui, Cancelo, De Ligt, Upamecano, Kim.. Probably he wants to be trusted more as he deserves due to his quality and experience.

Maybe it's true that he is preferring to play at CB rather than RB, but to say that he doesn't want to play RB and wants to leave because of that is a little bit too much and it would be very unprofessional of him IMO.
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You do realise these are people, with emotions and feelings, rather than names on a tactics board?

Imagine you wanting to go for a different job role and someone says you are pigeon holed into the role you're in currently and you straying from that is unprofessional.
 
Abraxas said:
It was fairly hard to predict WW would be that fecking bad. I think the prevailing thought was obviously there's a reason he's at Besiktas by way of Burnley but ultimately that in a Man United team with an acceptable scoring record behind him he could do a job. He was far more inept than seemed likely and in the end it was wrong.

I think generally we'll have a better overview of his signings after this season. Whether it's the ones we're high on like Martinez, or the ones there are doubts on like Antony, they need a period of time. I wonder how it will be viewed if Antony has an amazing season and Martinez shits the bed. Point is this season will add more data.
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Yeah for sure. Antony for example could be a different beast with a competent CF. We just had so many missing pieces when he came in, and morale at an all time low as well.

If Pavard is the one to fit in how EtH wants us to play, then we have to back him on it. But I don't blame people for asking questions - there's still lots to prove out over time. By the end of the season though, I expect we will know which way the wind is blowing.
 
Lash said:
You do realise these are people, with emotions and feelings, rather than names on a tactics board?

Imagine you wanting to go for a different job role and someone says you are pigeon holed into the role you're in currently and you straying from that is unprofessional.
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Agreed

There's nothing unprofessional with that. It's the same with you hating your current job and want to try something new. Nobody would call that unprofessional.
 
Strelok said:
Agreed

There's nothing unprofessional with that. It's the same with you hating your current job and want to try something new. Nobody would call that unprofessional.
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Exactly, nobody might agree with you, but that also doesn't make you wrong.
 
The good thing about Pavard would be his versatility best position is RB but he can also play CB and as an 8.
 
pascell said:
Pavard this summer, he'll have Varanes place by the NY.
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Hopefully not, Varane is a much much better defender.

The underrating of Varane has become OTT on here. It's no shock we've been at our best form over the passed 2 years by far when he's been fit and starting
 
I’m open to Pavard, but Todibo makes more sense given his natural position, attributes and age.

Todibo this summer + Frimpong next year would be nice.
 
Not sure why anyone would be against this signing. He'd replace Maguire in the squad which is an immediate upgrade. And it's not like we NEED him to be a starter although would be great if proves to be better than what we have as a starter. Also, doesn't sound like he'd cost a lot.
 
Would be a poor signing. 3rd choice CB potential, yes. But would be on first XI wages.

even if he filled in on RB, his progression going forward isn’t world chattering - an improvement but not game changer. I’d prefer an heir to the throne signing for Varane and worry about fullbacks next summer
 
Pavard is obviously a talented player but if he were that good a CB wouldn’t somebody have made him a first choice one by 27?

I’m always very wary of players who see themselves as something that their previous managers have never trusted them to be.
 
Abraxas said:
Seems a bit of a disingenuous reply to what he is saying.

I don't see anything wrong in what he said. They're definitely both upgrades on Maguire and the manager does deserve some trust. Not out of blind faith but based on performance.
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That's not an answer to any discussion.
A: "I have doubt of this player"
B: "It doesn't matter. Just trust Manager if he picks him in the future".
A: "???"

Why bother having Transfer Forum then.
 
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This guy hasn't been a main part of teams that have won the lot? I can't see how this is a worse signing than someone who has flopped in every league but Ligue 1.
 
groovyalbert said:
Would be a good singing but can't help but feel we're missing a trick not having a young CB develop alongside Varane whilst we have him.
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Yeah that is a very valid point and Utd will definitely be weighing up the pros and cons of both players before making decision
 
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RyRy11 said:
Pavard is a no brainer for the cut price fee he'd command. A development CB can be signed next summer, we need starting caliber players this window, this is how you team build. Get experienced players in first and future plan once we are a title challenging team.
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My only concern is will we actually look to still sign a development CB such as Todibo/Tapsoba if Pavard comes in now.
 
Isotope said:
That's not an answer to any discussion.
A: "I have doubt of this player"
B: "It doesn't matter. Just trust Manager if he picks him in the future".
A: "???"

Why bother having Transfer Forum then.
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Your reply was disingenuous though. Either that or you somehow completely missed the point. He didn’t say Ten Hag is the GOAT who never makes a mistake. That’s just a nonsense strawman reply to a perfectly reasonable observation that both players seem to be an upgrade on Maguire, that some people will prefer one and some the other, and that we’ll have to trust Ten Hag’s judgement on that decision. The latter point is obvious of course - he’ll be the one making that decision and the success of his tenure will ultimately depend on such decisions.
 
Castia said:
I’ve seen him play but he’s never really stood out. Worrying the amount of people saying he’s average and even more worrying that Bayern seem happy to sell

It seems like we’re trying to stretch our budget to buy a defender and midfielder….we’ll end up with 2 average players rather than choosing a position and buying the 1 better quality player. I’d rather spend 60-70m on a decent midfielder than get 2 squad players in.
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Are Bayern happy to sell? Romano was saying last night that Bayern haven’t given the green light. It’s the player that wants to move… and if we can get 2 upgraded players on the players we’ve sold then that’s great business. And If there average like you assume they are then it’s ETH job to turn average into quality… most people would have Ake/Akanji as average before joining city and guardiola as made them look world beaters.
 
He has never been trusted by multiple top managers in Bayern or the NT to play as a CB. We are wasting 30m on him. I just checked transfer market on when he last played as a regular CB and it goes back to his Stuttgart career 2016 to 2019. I dont care what he sees himself, its what the managers sees in him. If he is coming as a RB fine. But CB, no.
 
DJ_21 said:
Are Bayern happy to sell? Romano was saying last night that Bayern haven’t given the green light. It’s the player that wants to move… and if we can get 2 upgraded players on the players we’ve sold then that’s great business. And If there average like you assume they are then it’s ETH job to turn average into quality… most people would have Ake/Akanji as average before joining city and guardiola as made them look world beaters.
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They always say that.
 
He improves our starting 11 as he’s a better RB than what we have. You’d think AWB would want to leave though - be interesting to see what happens. Dalot can cover Shaw so might get games there but I struggle to see where AWB gets game time when Varane starts.
 
Isotope said:
Yeah. He's the GOAT manager that never made mistake.
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No but it's down to him to decide and take the responsability to try to make us a better team. Since Pep is managing the massives, he wasn't wrong on players at all, right? :D
 
Mickeza said:
He improves our starting 11 as he’s a better RB than what we have. You’d think AWB would want to leave though - be interesting to see what happens. Dalot can cover Shaw so might get games there but I struggle to see where AWB gets game time when Varane starts.
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He won't come in to start at RB.
 
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