Right. So when Varane is fit and starting we won’t play Pavard at RB because?
Benjamin Pavard
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It’s an odd signing if true for both parties.
He’d be our best right back but doesn’t want to play there
He’d be our third best centre back, which is where he wants to play
He’s a WC winner and a relatively big name in his prime so won’t want bench time
If we see him as a CB he’d be on first team money but be third choice
The only way this works out is if the CB thing is overplayed and he doesn’t mind where he plays.
He’d be our best right back but doesn’t want to play there
He’d be our third best centre back, which is where he wants to play
He’s a WC winner and a relatively big name in his prime so won’t want bench time
If we see him as a CB he’d be on first team money but be third choice
The only way this works out is if the CB thing is overplayed and he doesn’t mind where he plays.
35m euros take it or leave it.
The thing is we effectively play with a back 3 when in possession with one of the FBs moving into the midfield. Imo it doesn't really matter for him if he starts as a RB in the lineup on TV. But how ETH intend to use him in the match. And imo if he comes he'd be the second choice at RCB. Varane is quite injury prone so he might get a lot of game time as a starting CB.
Really not odd - we need to improve the strength of the squad
Oh I’m not debating he’s a good player and would improve us. I’m just saying we NEED a right back and he apparently doesn’t want that and we also NEED a better third choice CB but he’s probably too big a name to come in and accept that. He is, however, not as good as Varane.
Can't help but agreed with @MetoTTT . Pavard has most likely talked with EtH about his role and accepted it.
If strictly for CB, I prefer us getting a younger but higher potential CB than Pavard. But if he's willing to play RB also, like others have said, this absolutely no brainer.
If any of you saw the game yesterday or get to read the opinions of Bayern fans, he is absolutely crap. His replacement yesterday, Mazroui, was infinitely better.
The worst transfers are when mangers and fans have a strong contrast in the ability of the player; this down to fans judging players based on their recent form, whilst managers have emotion of past conversations with the player or past particular game in which they did well against them, as two examples.
We were beat by Bayern to Kim and we will be given their trash.
The worst transfers are when mangers and fans have a strong contrast in the ability of the player; this down to fans judging players based on their recent form, whilst managers have emotion of past conversations with the player or past particular game in which they did well against them, as two examples.
We were beat by Bayern to Kim and we will be given their trash.
It's such an easy tweet to write...first offer in, first offer rejected.
No club is ever gonna confirm/deny either, so the twitter ITK's never get called out for their constant bullshit.
No club is ever gonna confirm/deny either, so the twitter ITK's never get called out for their constant bullshit.
What are you insinuating? People are making it up?
C'mon Bayern, don't be Daniel Levy for a player who wants to leave with a year left on his contract. 
I'm joking of course, i don't expect there to be significant problems with Bayern(we have good relations). Levy is an unique, tedious phenomenon.
I'm joking of course, i don't expect there to be significant problems with Bayern(we have good relations). Levy is an unique, tedious phenomenon.
Yeah, I'm not buying it.
He is not that good. There is a reason Bayern keep buying new CBs.
As a squad player? Maybe. But I think we should look for someone with potential to replace Varane in a year or two.
As a squad player? Maybe. But I think we should look for someone with potential to replace Varane in a year or two.
too slow to play full back in the Prem
He is not trash but he is not great.
I think as long as we sign him as a squad player, and that reflects both the transfer fee and his salary, it will be ok. He is not worse than Lindelof, and is 2 years younger so worst case, we sell Lindelof next summer.
What scares me is that our insecurity takes over again. ‘We got Bayern’s player despite that they did not want to sell’ and then give him a 200k/week salary cause he is better than Maguire or something ridiculous along those lines, which we have been doing for the last 10 years. Apparently he is in 100k/week euros, and while he might look for a salary increase, anything above 120k/week pounds (which is in what Lisandro and Lindelof are) we should move away. And if Bayern is not willing to compromise at around 30m, we should move away. Essentially, treat this as a squad player transfer, not as a starting XI. Cause he won’t be a starting XI player unless we play him as RB (in which case it would be weird cause we just gave new contracts in improved terms to AWB and Dalot).
Good squad player and cover for CB and RB.
As long as he is happy to sit on the bench now and again, I’m in.
As long as he is happy to sit on the bench now and again, I’m in.
Yes but whoever comes in must be good enough to compete with Varane and earn minutes now.
No chance we buy him if he’s not better than Lindelof.
I think they are similar, with Pavard slightly better (but then he needs to adapt to EPL). Some other posters think that he is miles better, but I think that is the typical ‘grass is greener in the other side’. Both of them are your generic third/fourth choice CB who won’t push the starters out of starting XI, but would be decent backups (Pavard has the advantage of being able to play as RB and doing quite well at it though).
I'm not feeling this signing. We shouldn't be signing a centre back who lacks pace. Why would we limit ourselves in this way? We should be targeting a top young centre back with potential.
Don’t really mind if this doesn’t happen.
Why?
no young top CB with potential would join is to be 4th choice.
That’s all this is, a squad signing. Imo posters are putting too much emphasis on it
4th choice? How’d you make that calculation. They’d play over Lindelof and play lots of games due to Varane’s history of injuries.
Sure. Of course it comes down to EtH’s opinion but he won’t sign him if he sees him as incapable of pushing so-called starters. He just doesn’t think that way.
Why not frimpong if we are in the market for a RB
Because he’s only signed to replace Maguire who is 4th choice? If Harry didn’t leave we wouldn’t be buying him.CB wasn’t an area we were looking to strengthen this summer
Tolibo would in my opinion and it’s not 4th choice he’s back up for Varane
He wouldn't be 4th choice. He'd be second choice to Varane and would play a huge amount of games. We shouldn't be signing squad players for the sake of it. We should be signing players who can seriously challenge the first choice players with a view to being their long term successors.
Still feeling very meh/ambivalent over this whole thing...
It'd be a body in but I don't think it moves the needle in any way short or long term.
Would prefer a younger option that we can develop
If he played at RB would his attacking output be better than Dalot/AWB? That is assuming he's happy to play there considering the reports.
Would prefer a young fast option who can be molded like Todibo from my naive point of view
Would prefer a young fast option who can be molded like Todibo from my naive point of view
We're not in the market for a right back?
Indeed. The successive departures of Alaba, Hummels, Boateng, Sule, Hernandez or Nianzou should be a clue.
For me the most obvious one is that Frimpong is not a good defender, he is good going forward but fairly suspect defensively. So from a tactical standpoint unless you intend to change your system and have one of the CM drop when you are attacking or have Shaw play a more defensive role then someone like Frimpong won't be a target.
Bayern are probably taking a leaf out of Levy’s book of negotiation.
Just paid 100 M euros for a guy with a year left on his contract.
They’ll stand firm on their valuation even though Pavard reportedly really wants the switch.
Just paid 100 M euros for a guy with a year left on his contract.
They’ll stand firm on their valuation even though Pavard reportedly really wants the switch.
Defensively and physically they're pretty similar. But offensively and on the ball Pavard is actually miles better imo. And Pavard also has better mentality I think.
Spend 30m now and we could sell Lindelof next summer when he's 30 yo. Then use that money (of course we'll have to add some to that) to buy a top young fast CB to replace Varane.
Would be a very underwhelming signing. Doesn't improve us, or have high potential. The squad lacks pace and power at CB and he doesn't bring it.
Yeah, you're right about that but if my own personal preference is playing CB but other professionals in the job see me at RB and that in fact help you even more to win big trophies, I would consider accepting a role.
It's just that football is more complex and you can't just put your individual preferences above the team, especially if it helps you have a super successful career as Pavard is having. But I might be completely wrong.
about it.We won’t push too hard on the figure if they’re resisting on a respectable amount. A year left on his contract and there a few alternatives we’re linked to (Todibo most notably). It’s also not a massive position of priority - even with Maguire gone. We can make do with Lindelof third choice and Shaw LCB if needed.
The role of a fullback is evolving. It’s not all about pumping up and the down the flanks on the overlap. Many now tuck into midfield when their teams in possession. I think perhaps this role would suit Pavard better. And it’ll suit our midfield with the likes of Bruno and Mount afforded more freedom in attack when Pavard slots in next to Casemiro.