He seems very good on the ball, though. We need as many players as possible who are comfortable in the build-up phase and don’t crap their pants under pressure.
Benjamin Pavard
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Todibo excites me a lot more. Just feel less and less inspired by this potential signing.
I reckon that's the plan personally.
I just don't understand the club's decision making with this target. Personally I don't rate Pavard, if he was any good as a centre half there's no way Bayern would keep spending fees on players in his supposed preferred position and never allow him to anchor it for himself. It's a questionable transfer alongside Mount. It makes sense if the team is going with a back three but it's speculative.
Also if he doesn't integrate into the team successfully, it will be another player close to the 30's, potentially competitive wages, hard to move on. The club has done this dance all too often. Amrabat and Pavard doesn't move the needle with the quality of the team this season.
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Of course, that will all have to be weighed up from his perspective, but there's nothing wrong with choosing his next move based on what he wants to get from his new job!Yeah, you're right about that but if my own personal preference is playing CB but other professionals in the job see me at RB and that in fact help you even more to win big trophies, I would consider accepting a role.
It's just that football is more complex and you can't just put your individual preferences above the team, especially if it helps you have a super successful career as Pavard is having. But I might be completely wrong.about it.
This will be the post that will repeat itself after many matches this season of he is bought.. he is not what we need I have watched him since he was a Stuttgart player and am I fairly regular Bundesliga watcher. He is just a bit meh and a bit weak. Not an upgrade on neither Maguire nor Lindenlöf.
I don't know how I'd feel about this if our interest is concrete. To me he's an average player who can pull off the sublime occasionally, like that sumptuous half volley against Argentina. I haven't been watching him though so I could be way off and he ends up fitting ETH's game very well.
At 90m euros its a absolutely a stick to beat him with. Weghorst is too, he could have loaned someone else, instead he went with a Dutch man who couldn’t scorePeople genuinely think Weghorst on loan is a stick to beat ETH with?
Neither is Antony yet.
Jury is still out with ETH and the relative success of the signings it's certainly not a home run with every player who's come in.
I think Pavard is angling for a new deal. Why would he come to United to sit on the bench?
Antony had a decent first season here. It's not like he flopped massively so not a stick (yet).
On WW. It's Jan no club would like to sell let alone loaning their good players in the middle of their season. Give me a good striker you think we could have actually signed on loan back then?
Antony came no where near being a 90m player. To the extent the club even briefed they understood they made a mistake with his fee
WW replacement at Besiktas Aboubakar would have been a better signing because he can actually finish.
I don't think that it has anything to do with a new deal. It's not a new situation and Bayern have offered him new deals in response of it. I think that it's a situation closer to Varane's.
Probably. But he wants to be a CB, if so he doesn’t start for us. Seems odd, guess we’ll see though.
If hes happy to play RB and cover CB then could be good.
Unless Antony turns into one of the best RWs in the world he will never justify that sticker price (though with that insane inflation you never know). Can still be a valuable addition to the team as a good or great player, he did his job last year. Right choice on the pitch but not a good round of business, negotiation-wise.
The skipper is not infaillible and in fact maybe Ten Hag will be another disappointing coach for United leaving the team with not so great picks. It's football, the jury is always out. If the summer recruits debut like those of last year and the whole squad keeps improving on the whole, that'd be good enough for me.
The skipper is not infaillible and in fact maybe Ten Hag will be another disappointing coach for United leaving the team with not so great picks. It's football, the jury is always out. If the summer recruits debut like those of last year and the whole squad keeps improving on the whole, that'd be good enough for me.
He wants to play CB more often, no one knows if he wants to play exclusively CB. People wants to go into extreme answers for everything, it's perfectly possible that the player finds an agreement with whichever club he ends up with including Bayern where he is given more opportunities to play CB while being the starting RB. Maybe that's good enough for him or maybe it isn't but things aren't black or white.
I wonder if him playing RB and then making a back 3 when in posession is where this is going. With Martinez stepping into midfield.
I guess ETH can promise him to be starting CB in both domestic cups and RB otherwise. We all like Varane but we know he has issues with fitness and whilst we managed him well it’s inevitable he’ll miss games.
Might have missed a tweet among the discussion but was there any news of a preference toward Pavard?
Yep, attacking output from fullbacks matters less now than it did in recent times when they were being used more aggressively. And Pavard at RB would make sense from that POV.
But the central issue with that are the reports (which seem to be accepted as fact on the Bayern forum I looked at) that he explicitly wants to play as a CB, not a RB. So I'm not sure how that squares.
Apparently we've had a bid rejected for him, so you'd assume so.
I highly doubt we'll see any sort of confirmation until Maguire has left the building...
That's a possibility, on paper he seems to fit with what ETH has done in the recent past. With one of the fullback being a third CB in possession. The common alternative is with a midfielder having that role with more attacking fullbacks, De Jong has done it for ETH and Casemiro could do it.
The bold part is in great hindsight imo. Aboukabar had a much worse CV back then. He was playing in the Saudi league. And tbh there's not much to suggest he's much better at finishing than WW. I'd say he would have been pretty similar as WW in the PL if we signed him. Both are simply just not good enough imo.
On one hand I'd agree Antony is not a 80m player (yet) and we overpaid for him. But that's not ETH's fault but us imo. We had no good RW and if my memory serves me right we refused to buy one when ETH asked then went into panic mod and overpaid after the first terrible results.
But if we wanted to do that we would. We sold our fourth, arguably 5th choice defender and getting in Pavard who is dependable and can play multiple positions. That’s what you need when talking about cover, you can’t bring in subs or rotation options and have them be up and down in the few appearances they have.
In the pecking order he would be 4th choice, arguably 5th if Shaw is considered understudy for Martinez. That’s no place for a young player to develop.
If we wanted a young defender to develop we would have signed one to develop. This move is simply not to leave the squad short.
I get Wes Brown vibes from Pavard. Good defensive RB and a very solid CB. The kind of player that will be very valuable over a 50+ game season.
He also adds goals which is something desperately lacking with our defenders.
He also adds goals which is something desperately lacking with our defenders.
He wouldn't be 4th choice though. Pavard or a top young high potential player would simply be competing with Varane. Lindelof/Shaw would cover for Martinez. They aren't in competition with eachother. Varane needs his minutes managed, so there are plenty of games available for a top young talent to share the workload and develop.
Anyone reliable commenting on what the 1st offer was? Can just see it was rejected.
Indeed, this is the only way this makes sense (assuming he would cost 30m and be on sub 120k/week), as a Lindelof replacement. It would be proactive thinking for once, instead of always playing catch up.
Is there any manager that has a 100% success rate on signings? Overall our signings under ten Hag have been very good.
Mourinho. If the player is a success it was his player otherwise it was a club signing.
I'm not crazy about this potential signing. Pavard's a very good player but I'd prefer Todibo or Tapsoba for cb and at rb I'd prefer us target Frimpong next season. A case of a good player at a good price but where there are better potential options for our specific squad imo.
Actually plenty of us said at the time he was better and Besiktas was getting the better player
Only in 2 seasons in his career, he has scored more than a goal. He scored 7 last season but most likely that was the outlier (has 0 in the season before than, and 1 in the season before that one).
I agree with the comparison with Brown. Which is why I think this makes sense only if he is cheap. If we are looking at a 40m transfer and/or 150k+/week, this would be a bad transfer.
Any indication of the size of the bid and how much Bayern are demanding?
Nope, 30m euros has been spoken about as a reasonable fee
He would immediately become our first choice RB unless he fallen off a cliff which im not aware off, don't get why cafe is so hesitant about this, a starting rb and a decent back up cb.
So he’s the first choice target to replace Maguire?