Right know it would be 9 players for 4 positions?
Shaw, Malacia, Pavard, AWB, Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Lindelof and Evans
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Right know it would be 9 players for 4 positions?
Shaw, Malacia, Pavard, AWB, Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Lindelof and Evans
If Bayern don't want to let him go then that's a good indication of his quality, would be an absolute coup of a signing for us.
RCB in a back three is probably his best position, as there he can combine all the attributes that make him a strong CB as well as a strong RB.
Which btw is the reason why it is bollocks to claim that Bayern signed Cancelo to upgrade on him - instead, when Cancelo played on the right wing they did play together in a back three system, with Pavard playing exactly this role
He starts as RB.
Isn’t that his position anyway? But can cover at CB
Do the stats align with this?
Also does the eye test align with this @JPRouve? Lindelof is faster and better in the air than Pavard?
So why are we buying him? isnt it better to go for someone who is more CB than him?
Cheers for the feedback.
No, I'd never say such a thing but when you already mentioned it, that is about achieving individual goals and in football it is more complex to do it than it is in regular life as football is a collective sport and you need to be part of one to reach those achievements.
Again, not saying that it means you have to put your own ambition, goals or preferences aside but here we are talking about Pavard who already achieved some of the greatest achievements (big salary aside) in football playing at his "unfavoured" right back position in two teams that belong to the very top in national and club football. Is he feeling his achievements are less worthy because he played as a right back rather than centre back ?
Mostly based on eye test, but stats wise both of them won 65% of their duels last season. I think EPL is a harder league though. For example we saw Martinez who was winning around 70% of his duels in Eredivisie drop to 50% in EPL. So I wouldn’t be surprised if Pavard would do slightly worse in EPL which in general tends to be both a stronger and more physical league.
Neither of them are weak in that aspect (like Martinez is, for example), but not that strong. Essentially, they need to be partnered with Varane, and we need to avoid partnering them with Martinez. Which is an issue considering that ETH wants to build the defense around Lisandro (I personally think Varane is far better) who is neither fast, nor good in the air. Partnering with someone with the same weaknesses might be an issue.
Saying that, getting Pavard this season as third choice, selling Lindelof next season and then buying someone better than both to challenge/take over from Varane seems like a good idea. Kim would have been perfect, we should have signed him, get rid of both Maguire and Lindelof and then sign a cheap fourth choice.
Probably but we’ve needed an upgrade at RB too and if he’s just as comfortable playing CB then we’re getting 2 signings in 1 player.
Your assessement on the comparison between the two can be debatable. The decent part on the ball of Lindelof is only his simple short passing sideway or backward he's so shit at the rest especially when under pressure that's why he got panic very easily. He's also so shy of physical challenges which Pavard is actually way better. Then it's hard to tell who is better in the air but Lindelof is shit in the air so even if he's better than Pavard it doesn't make any difference here. And Pavard is not slow. No FB can be slow. He's not as fast as the traditional FB who are usually very fast but no way he's slow. His top speed is 32.5 kmh and Lindelof top speed is 32.8 kmh.
Then the bold part is just so so wrong mate. Think of Parvard as a classic RM or even a CM in attack. Beckham was not very fast either. AWB simply can't offer the quality on the ball Pavard does. AWB is basically wank offensively despite being very fast because he can't cross can't pass can't shoot. It's just so so wrong mate. Pavard is a terrific striker of the ball. He once scored one of the most spectacular goals ever in the WC for example.
However I'd agree on the last part. I didn't say Pavard should be the replacement of Varane. Varane is only 30 yo. He's bit injury prone but still has at least 3 years of top football imo. We can buy a new top CB to replace him next summer or even later. Anyway it's another topic I think.
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What? Isn’t it fairly normal to have basically 2 players per position?
Proven at the top level player in his prime years, flexible tactically, can be bought at a bargain... What's not to like ?
I get the argument for buying a prospect but Pavard supposedly adds a lot of depth and quality.
No. I don't think that Lindelof is faster or better in the air. He is also not as good with the ball, that's why one looks like fullback when used as a RB while the other doesn't.
They're just saying that. As usual with Bayern there'll be something fundamentally wrong with him which won't become apparent until we sign him
Pavard with a yellow. Watch him play bad here now most people will be watching him 
Would be a great signing for us, especially in Europe. Can see AWB and him sharing the right back role in the league/Europe.
Bayern fans seem to be quite happy to see the back of him and potentially leaving to us...
Sounds like they can't wait for Mazraoui to be the undisputed no.1 RB
Sounds like they can't wait for Mazraoui to be the undisputed no.1 RB
That's quite correct imo. But they also sold Kroos.
I like the player and we should be trying to improve our squad. If he wins a place in the team we can move another player on. He's spent a lot of time in Germany so I think he could have a 3-4 year plan in mind for the PL.
I see people are back on the Lindelof's shit wagon then.
I too have reservations about our defence going forward because I believe we need the profile of a dominantly fast and defensively strong defender (on top of being an all around good player) going forward because it works best now and for the future. However, that's based on the belief of Martinez being the present and future with an eye on Varane no longer being the force he was.
However, as others have said above, rather than underrating Pavard (which I don't really have a strong opinion on), I think you're overrating Lindelof, who is much weaker and worse on the ball than many give him credit for and that's mainly because he's pleasing on the eye. In terms of actual effectiveness, he's a 'secondary' defender. Everything he does is on the peripheral and he will look good when everyone else around him is doing good but never really good enough to elevate his own game or others around him. If a world cup winner and stalwart in a Bayern machine is worse than Lindelof, then something's wrong.
edit: haha just seen your latest reply. I get it now, you're a fan of him. Fair does.
Not sure he's what we need. I'd rather look for a younger player than buying someone who won't be cheap and certainly will be one of the highest earners. Bayern will be looking to recoup some of the Kane money so I don't expect them to be negotiating in good faith.
He has less than a year left. They can’t demand €50m+ for him. He will be in and around €30m.
He's a starter for Bayern as a RB, he's also a starter from France at RB. The player himself has said he wants to play and that he's better as a CB. My friends that support Bayern say he's a better CB than RB.
It may be a case just like Alaba that left bayern to play as CB at Madrid. From what I've seen of him he seems a class player, good touch and distribution but he's not an attacking RB he's not going to run the right wing making crosses. So I think if he comes here he'll be mostly a CB rotating as RB.
My personal preference would be Tobido as I think he ha's bigger potential and has the physicallity to excel in the EPL. But cant complain if we replace Maguire with Pavard really.
It may be a case just like Alaba that left bayern to play as CB at Madrid. From what I've seen of him he seems a class player, good touch and distribution but he's not an attacking RB he's not going to run the right wing making crosses. So I think if he comes here he'll be mostly a CB rotating as RB.
My personal preference would be Tobido as I think he ha's bigger potential and has the physicallity to excel in the EPL. But cant complain if we replace Maguire with Pavard really.
My latest post if from another poster to be fair. Ye, I know, Revan and Raven gets confusing. I think that Lindelof gets criticized more than he should, and in general he did well when not partenete with Maguire. But at 29 and not a starting quality, I think we should replace him. Ideally we should have only starting quality players or players who can challenge the starters, not just backups who only play when the starters are injured (which is what Lindelof, McTominay, Malacia offer).
I do not think that he is worse than Lindelof. More like he is not a big upgrade, if he is an upgrade at all. They are of similar level IMO, maybe Pavard slightly better but neither of them is really starting material (assuming we are planning to win titles), and both have similar weaknesses which also tend to be the same weaknesses Lisandro has.
I think we are better signing a fast defender who is strong in the air, even if he is currently not as good as Pavard, and even if he is not that great in the ball. We have Lisandro who is great in the ball but has two serious limitations (weak in the air and slow), so we need to complement him.
My bad mate! First time that's happened to me on these boards, what a coincidence, same thread at similar time and about the same player. As for the rest of your post I agree and understand because I said similar with that in mind, in the Todibo thread on Wednesday:
Having said that I simply have not seen enough of Pavard to know whether he could work for us as an undisputable starter.
Whilst we're watching, Henrichs seems like a very good defender...
Well he’s definitely physical
Liking what I am seeing so far, good use of the ball, likes a tackle. Get it done Murtaugh.
My take is pretty in line with yours.
He’s good, but he’s not an upgrade, and certainly not as RB.
I’ve already explained it in a previous post, but if we were to buy him, he’d probably be played as the 3rd CB in offensive phases, like Arsenal play White.
It would not surprise me if this is about trying to get a better contract than maybe what is on offer at Bayern. We've been used before in negotiations, I think some players are often running their contracts down to maximise their leverage to get a better deal. I just think this smells of that. You also wouldn't think spurs would get 100m for Kane also in his last year, it doesn't mean much these days.
Too cynical. He’s available and wanted to leave Bayern.
Got subbed off at half time, alongside De Ligt
He didn’t have a good game today…
Absolute fecking garbage tonight.
Already dreaming of Erik.
Not trying as he’s saving the real performances for us? 
We all have an opinion on who we should sign, Pavard or Todibo, arguably either is an upgrade on Maguire, but ultimately, we have to trust the judgment of the Manager, and I trust that he will make the right decision.