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Bebe | 2010/11 Performances
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You are still continuing here with this ignorance. I used the adjective of cornucopia which also implies abundance. Why I am still continuing with this?
These were our young players, seen as future players who would start in the likes of these 4 away games. Many times they have failed to impress and we must cut our losses and give chances to the next young players.
Tbh I feel for that guy. He had a brilliant left foot and a good crosser of the ball. I can't believe how shit he must be feeling right now seeing the chances Bebe is getting. Tosic really was not given a fair chance at United.
What baffles be about Bébé is that when he gets the ball and tried to go by a player, he doesn't try and go around him, he just kicks the ball straight into him and inevitably loses it. He did it on numerous occasions against Crawley.
its reasonable to expect energy desire and determination when handed chance to play for the first team even in a bad performance. he looked like he had given up on himself from the first minute of the match
I don't really think they are though, are they?
And Gibson, Obertan, Bebe, Macheda have contributed 0 to that effort.
Maybe but your way over the top.
I don't think he will be sold although Tosic was fairly quickly, but I think efforts need to be made to convert him to a battering ram striker where his power and shot might get some use out of him, he shouldn't be in a position where skill is required.
Whether I'm happy with those or any other player's is irrelevant. No matter how low or high my opinion of them is, I'll still support them unlike you.
Who doesn't want to improve? Even Crawley want to improve but it's not that fecking easy. Besides, I'd trust one man above anyone to improve MUFC constantly and that's SAF.
Listen mate, there's no shame in finishing 2nd once in 4 years. Jesus Christ, get a grip and just put into context what you're whining about. We may well finish 1st THIS season, if not, I'd still back SAF to guide us back to success again though. I'd like to think once you rationalise it, you'll feel the same unless you truly think your eye for talent and knowledge of football surpasses his. If you do, I've got news for you...It doesn't. Delfouneso>Pato alone puts the kibosh on that along with your many other tragicomedie opinions spouted on here over recent times.
He's played as a pro since 2009, but at a low level. He's been here a year and hasn't seemed to improve at all, that's what's worrying people. I haven't seen enough of him to make a call, but from what I have seen he looks better built to play up the middle.
Of course we won't sell him that quickly. We just paid 7 million for him. Even if Fergie knows he's shit, he'll stick with him for a longer period of time than he would with say someone he got for cheaper.
bebe is superb. provides comic relief.
When I am watching the match, I do support these players, I hope they play well. But long term, I have written them off because we need better.
This is an issue for many of us
we've never seen a case like Bebe's before, some sort of precedent, the whole story is bizzare, his immediate leap to a club like ours
and then we have the fact Sir Alex admits to never seeing him play before purchasing
Hectic, I can only speak for myself, but today I was expecting to see either Pogba or King play, and with the way the subs went, it added to the frustration and the spasticity. Disappointment just built up and I know I will have a change of mind later but in the spur of the moment, I needed a object to vent at and Bebe was a good scapegoat.
He is not a winger and playing him there is causing frustration for both him and most fans. We have to have a way to get the best out of him
Didn't we pay roughly the same for Tosic?
I don't know why you keep referencing things that I haven't said. I didn't say he will be a first team regular, I said he should be given more time before saying we should sell him.
I'm not defending him, and I know why people are concerned about him, but I've only addressed those who want to sell him. I don't think that's going against the grain either.
If you think that's mad, then yes, I guess I'm mad.
Fair enough in regards to the first point, still nothing in terms of experience. I know the concerns, and I share them, but I think it's far too early to be saying he should be sold.
When we chuck in so many inexperienced players at once we nearly always have the same outcome, and end up struggling against lower teams. If Bebe played in a full strength team for 90 minutes, we would not be under the cosh as much and he'd probably have been less nervous and more effective. Same goes for Obertan, who has looked good when coming on in matches where the 'first team' has been selected. This happens every time (Anderson being an example of a player who has looked sub standard a lot when in the same position)
Given the colossal amount of patience being shown over Rooney - including from the manager - I don't think it's too much to ask that Bebé and co be given more time.
That's what the papers say and we got all of that back when we sold him. Not going to get that with Bebe at this moment in time.
Messi? Xavi? Villa? Who'd be good enough, Scholesy, who should we by?
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Norwood>>>>Xavi
Delfo>>>>Villa>>>>>Pato
Modric>>>>Messi
Hectic, why do you care if he's sold or not? What's the big gain in keeping him?
He cost us a few mill, we'd get hardly any back. Big deal.
Get shut, get rid of his wages, put the money into someone decent.
I honestly think it's Ferguson's worst signing ever and he's had a few duds down the years.
If we lose that money and this chancer doesn't wear the shirt again, it's still a good deal.
He cost us a few mill, we'd get hardly any back. Big deal.
Get shut, get rid of his wages, put the money into someone decent.
I honestly think it's Ferguson's worst signing ever and he's had a few duds down the years.
If we lose that money and this chancer doesn't wear the shirt again, it's still a good deal.
If we signed Jay Spearing, there would be posters calling to show him patience too and he will come good.
I'm all for Bebe being given some more time but how can you even compare it to Rooney being given time!?
Rooney has been an integral part of 2 Carling Cups, 3 PL wins, 1 UCL win and one World Club Cup win.
Aye, we'd never get our cash back! Anyway, there's no way I'd call for someone to be sold so soon. I think he'd be given more time if we didn't pay the fee, although being a youth product doesn't have the same worth among fans as it should. I suppose they just want 25 superstars NOW!
A "UCL" win?
fecking hell.
fecking hell.
Why wasn't Dong shown such patience? 
True, but on the other hand, look at how Rooney acted towards the club recently. Despite his former excellence, I'm not convinced he deserves this indulgence.
Rooney has always been hot and cold and has always been given time, Steve has a point.
We tend to trust in the players we sign to show improvement because they were signed by Fergie, who therefore sees potential in them. So you're making a false analogy. Of course, the manager doesn't always get it right, but I reckon he gets it right more than you do. So I'll side with him on this one.
Okay lets close the thread... Going on border line perfetic!!
Eh? That makes no sense at all.
First of all i've not written Bebe off myself but the 2 comparisons you made are Worlds apart.
Rooney is an established player for the side that has been a key player for us for about 6 years now. Bebe, Obertan et al are all kids that have no history of having done "it".
What is the harm of keeping him for a couple of seasons at the very least and seeing how he progresses? Since we spent 7 million on him anyway, and we can't recoup that by selling him, it's in our interests to see if there is a future for him here. If he doesn't work out, he can leave afterward, since we already have him, why not give him some time?
I can't see why you would not be willing to have some minimal form of patience. His wages aren't going to affect whether we go for someone else or not. I care because he's a United player, and we've seen so little from him, not even 10 games yet and all of a sudden that's enough time to say whether he has a future here or not?
You're asking me what the big gain in keeping him is, but what exactly is the big gain for us in selling him in the summer?
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