Bebe | 2010/11 Performances

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RedRonaldo said:
The Ronaldo comparison is the most stupid thing I've heard today.
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This.

Ronaldo just had so much more potential and it was there for everyone to see. There was never any question whether he had the quality to make it at United (well apart from some spastics)...with Bebe I'm not sure but we will see. Quality finish for the 2 goals though.
 
If I had to guess what sort of player Bebe could become based on what I have seen, I'd say nothing like Ronaldo, more like Valencia with the confidence to shoot. A direct powerhouse that is generally looking to cross.
 
Valencia's dribbling is based entirely on knocking it to the side of a full-back and then beating him for pace.

While Bebé is fast, I think he could become a much trickier dribbler, though it does look like he has a good shot on him.
 
A lot of rewriting of history in this thread. When Ronaldo signed there was a big buzz at the time (as there in fact was with Nani and Anderson too) and it was always clear the lad had talent. but I don't think anyone thought theyw ere seeing the emergence of a ballon dor winner, wpoty, best number 7 in the history of united etc etc. From that debut it seemed like he would go on to become a player like robben or similar, and as much as 3-4 years later many people were still thoroughly unconvinced about him.
 
samabachan said:
A lot of rewriting of history in this thread. When Ronaldo signed there was a big buzz at the time (as there in fact was with Nani and Anderson too) and it was always clear the lad had talent. but I don't think anyone thought theyw ere seeing the emergence of a ballon dor winner, wpoty, best number 7 in the history of united etc etc. From that debut it seemed like he would go on to become a player like robben or similar, and as much as 3-4 years later many people were still thoroughly unconvinced about him.
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Sorry but I did :D

I remember watching the highlights on ITV that night and thinking to myself that we'd brought a player to the Premiership like no other. I had no doubt he'd go on to be the best player in the world albeit I dont think anyone could of predicted he'd be the goal machine he is now.

I also agree with The Chief in that I miss the excitement that he brought as a winger in that Bolton game and for the majority of the 06/07 season. Ronaldo now seems to be a lot more about goals that exciting wing play, tricks and skills that light up OT that day against Bolton.

It does just go to show though just how rare players like Ronaldo are as I doubt there's an 18 year old alive that we could sign that could have a 20 minute début like Ronaldo did and follow it up by fulfilling that potential into being the best in the world.

As for comparing Bebe to Ronaldo.... well that's just a joke
 
samabachan said:
but I don't think anyone thought theyw ere seeing the emergence of a ballon dor winner, wpoty, best number 7 in the history of united etc etc. From that debut it seemed like he would go on to become a player like robben or similar, and as much as 3-4 years later many people were still thoroughly unconvinced about him.
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You are wrong, I did see Ronaldo's potential as well, but only one person can confirm what I said about him after cameo against Bolton.
When the goals were not going in for him, you still could tell that he had goals in him, the amount of times he hit the post and bar, the closeness of his shots.
What I doubted was his freekicks and I also did not think he could hit the ball as hard as he did against Porto. I still can't believe that goal.
 
Bebe can not be compared to Ronaldo. Ronaldo was special, though the probably had alot better training etc. before he came to us at Sporting. Bebe hasn't had this. Let's judge him after a year in uniteds ranks and none of this silly ronaldo comparisons.
 
samabachan said:
A lot of rewriting of history in this thread. When Ronaldo signed there was a big buzz at the time (as there in fact was with Nani and Anderson too) and it was always clear the lad had talent. but I don't think anyone thought theyw ere seeing the emergence of a ballon dor winner, wpoty, best number 7 in the history of united etc etc. From that debut it seemed like he would go on to become a player like robben or similar, and as much as 3-4 years later many people were still thoroughly unconvinced about him.
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As Charlenefan, I was convinced he'd win the wpoty one day as well. Always defended him and knew he could extend the hot streaks he had in the latter of the seasons to something more consistent seeing he was only 19-21. He had the ability and had the character. It couldn't have been more obvious and I was baffled by the Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime who quickly questioned him Nani-style once he failed to score and did a trick or two.
 
samabachan said:
A lot of rewriting of history in this thread. When Ronaldo signed there was a big buzz at the time (as there in fact was with Nani and Anderson too) and it was always clear the lad had talent. but I don't think anyone thought theyw ere seeing the emergence of a ballon dor winner, wpoty, best number 7 in the history of united etc etc. From that debut it seemed like he would go on to become a player like robben or similar, and as much as 3-4 years later many people were still thoroughly unconvinced about him.
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True. Ronaldo was clearly a very talented youngster but, given the age that Rooney, Messi and Fabregas started asserting themselves at the highest level consistently, he wasn't quite in that bracket of youngster. He had huge periods of inconsistency between his debut and the start of the calender year of 2006, which is when he really stepped it up a few gears (he REALLY stepped up in about October). His 2006 was very much like Nani's year, this year, albeit more exciting.
 
championo said:
You are wrong, I did see Ronaldo's potential as well, but only one person can confirm what I said about him after cameo against Bolton.
When the goals were not going in for him, you still could tell that he had goals in him, the amount of times he hit the post and bar, the closeness of his shots.
What I doubted was his freekicks and I also did not think he could hit the ball as hard as he did against Porto. I still can't believe that goal.
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Alright Mystic Meg.

I'm sorry but nobody could have predicted the moster Ronaldo would become from his first season here.

He was a whippet when he arrived here in 2003, quick, tricky, lightweight and nimble.

Around 3 or 4 years later, his legs, chest and shoulders were twice the size and he was a machine and his football intelligence had gone from dribbling around nowhere while the defender guides him to the safe positions, to a player that could see space, see a pass, know when to shoot, when to cross and when to hold up the ball. He developed something everybody said you couldn't acquire and he didn't possess . "Vision".

While retaining all his technical skills, he was almost unrecogniseable as a player and you are saying you predicted all this?

I only recognised the true potential he had in 06-07 when he scored around 20 and assisted about 15 but what I particularly remember is seeing a youtube video of all the times he hit the post or crossbar that season. I remember talking about it with my old man and said that if half of those had gone over and half had gone in he'd have had about 35 goals which would have been incredible for a winger....
 
Pexbo said:
Alright Mystic Meg.

I'm sorry but nobody could have predicted the moster Ronaldo would become from his first season here.

He was a whippet when he arrived here in 2003, quick, tricky, lightweight and nimble.

Around 3 or 4 years later, his legs, chest and shoulders were twice the size and he was a machine and his football intelligence had gone from dribbling around nowhere while the defender guides him to the safe positions, to a player that could see space, see a pass, know when to shoot, when to cross and when to hold up the ball. He developed something everybody said you couldn't acquire and he didn't possess . "Vision".

While retaining all his technical skills, he was almost unrecogniseable as a player and you are saying you predicted all this?

I only recognised the true potential he had in 06-07 when he scored around 20 and assisted about 15 but what I particularly remember is seeing a youtube video of all the times he hit the post or crossbar that season. I remember talking about it with my old man and said that if half of those had gone over and half had gone in he'd have had about 35 goals which would have been incredible for a winger....
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Totally agree, i never really saw Ronaldos early potential and while i thought he would become a great player i never thought he would reach the levels he has. Its easy to look back on it now and say "You could clearly see the potential" but at the time all i saw was a player who had tons of silky skills but nothing more. It was only into his third season with us where i started to see why SAF rated him so highly and even then he only really came into his own the second half of that season (05/06 season i believe).

People seem to look back and only remember the good but i remember all those games where he had me pulling out my hair and praying for him to keep it simple. The guy was a talent but honestly i cant say i thought he was going to be one of the worlds best at some stage. Thats why my opinion on young players now is if SAF sees something there thats good enough for me.
 
if anyone says that they thought the worm-haired Ronaldo would go on to become arguably the best player in the world, they are liars
 
samabachan said:
A lot of rewriting of history in this thread. When Ronaldo signed there was a big buzz at the time (as there in fact was with Nani and Anderson too) and it was always clear the lad had talent. but I don't think anyone thought theyw ere seeing the emergence of a ballon dor winner, wpoty, best number 7 in the history of united etc etc. From that debut it seemed like he would go on to become a player like robben or similar, and as much as 3-4 years later many people were still thoroughly unconvinced about him.
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Spot on.

You'll note that none of the wise after the fact gurus have been able to link to a specific post of their's (or anyone else's) predicting he'd become the BPITW during his first couple of seasons at United. His debut was a cause of great excitement but he spent the next couple of seasons flattering to deceive.
 
golden_blunder said:
if anyone says that they thought the worm-haired Ronaldo would go on to become arguably the best player in the world, they are liars
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Not really.

The potential that he showed in his first few weeks made every one over-react (although it wasn't really over-reacting I guess considering what he's become). It took a few months before frustration started setting in, which really hit it's worst in his second and the beginning of his third season.

But the first impression he made blew people away so much that people immediately started talking about him being one of the best, if not the best, player in the world in the future. Best saying we'd finally found his replacement, etc.

I doubt I was one of the people saying that he would probably become the best in the world, I try not to over-react so I'm guessing my reaction was to try not to get too ahead of myself and that he simply had the potential, but that plenty of players don't achieve their potential.
 
golden_blunder said:
if anyone says that they thought the worm-haired Ronaldo would go on to become arguably the best player in the world, they are liars
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I worshipped him as a young lad, thought he was the most exciting young footballer I'd ever seen, so I don't think its that out of the ordinary for people especially some of us younger lads to think he was going to become one of the best footballers in the world. More out of naivety rather than mature judgement.

I didn't think he'd ever be the type of player he is now though, i.e. a great goal scorer who is very efficient rather than a Ronaldinho type of talent, i.e. bags of flair and matchwinner on the big occasions which is what I thought he'd become.
 
golden_blunder said:
if anyone says that they thought the worm-haired Ronaldo would go on to become arguably the best player in the world, they are liars
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Spot on. I remembered being very excited after seeing Ronaldo's debut. However, he was so inconsistent after that that I actually thought he cant possibly reach world-class up until 3 years later (near the end of season 2005-2006).
 
golden_blunder said:
if anyone says that they thought the worm-haired Ronaldo would go on to become arguably the best player in the world, they are liars
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Fortunately I have plenty of witnesses that say otherwise, and I'm not claiming to be particularly clever, there were a lot of us. I always thought there was high chance of being cut short due to injury, though, and didn't forsee his strength and robustness at all.
 
golden_blunder said:
if anyone says that they thought the worm-haired Ronaldo would go on to become arguably the best player in the world, they are liars
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Wow.

Sir Alex said it as did plenty of our fans. Not sure the fans thought it would happen so soon though. He was always going to be right up there in his prime.
 
I think it is very easy to spot Ronaldo early potential. He was so above everyone else in terms of skill and natural talent even when he was only 17. Our players even asked Fergie to sign him up after they first played against Ronaldo's team in the friendly.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
For me I feel Bebe's only weakness is his unrefined technique. Which is possibly all down to him having never played academy football. I think he has all the other attributes needed to be a good player. Given a season or 2 of polishing by our staff, we might unearth a serious gem.
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Er.. I don't think he has any technique at all in his crossing.
 
I can't judge him yet. His technique looks raw, he seems to have a good physique but it's just not enough to go on. It's just too early to tell. He's basically becoming a footballer now.
 
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