Mou can be petty and even pathetic. Keane was an outright thug at times and Fergie was an outright bully at times. I suppose we frown less at more violent reactions than we do at the sly and insidious.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Mou can be petty and even pathetic. Keane was an outright thug at times and Fergie was an outright bully at times. I suppose we frown less at more violent reactions than we do at the sly and insidious.
Aye, and I suppose I'd side with "violent" over "insidious" if I had to choose myself.
It's odd, though. Keano - I mean, being a thug is one thing, but he was a vindictive thug - and considered some of his actions a form of fair retaliation, even within the context of a...football match. But I could never bring myself to do much beyond grinning at his lunacy, I never considered him despicable for what he did: There was something about him, I suppose, a redeeming quality of some kind - but then again that "something" is clearly not something everyone sees, and certainly not people who have no interest in Manchester United.
Keane's merits obviously outweighed his baggage, otherwise Fergie would have binned him a long time before he did. I believe that Keane kept the other players honest because he wouldn't stand for any lowering of standards or effort.
When Shearer mugged him off was a low point though. His stamp on Victor Baia in an important Champions League game that came out of nowhere was really unnecessary. I was very frustrated with him in those moments. I guess you couldn't have the positive side of his intense character that was good for the team without accepting the bad as well.
- Mourinho said in an interview recently he will be managing in England again soon.
- Said he would most likely have to leave London.
- BBC reported we spoke with him ( Either Mou's camp leaked it or ours, BBC wouldn't report this unless a credible source leaked it).
- What other club would/could he possibly manage in England?
- Mourinho has been wet for the United job ever since SAF retired.
- This makes too much feckin sense.
- Mou needs us (Re-establish his ego, reputation and pride, fierce rivalry with Guardiola - the final settlement on who is the better manager, prove to Chelsea they made a mistake sacking him, the opportunity to annoy Arsene for another couple of years)
- We need him (Proven manager with the right credentials, strong character who gets the best out of players, proven winner - who will almost guarantee a trophy, attract and develop the right players)
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former players are also starting to talk like mourinho is going to be appointed as well.
I tend to agree with this, and hope it proves to be accurate. There is no flawless managerial candidate. Even Pep, with his reputation and record, comes with some risk. Jose, while he may not have a spotless track record, is a proven winner. He's found success everywhere he's gone, and will do so again. He's the best man for the job.
I also don't accept the notion that he'll only get the job if United fail to qualify for the Champions League. Why would that be? If we manage to sneak our way into fourth, did we all of a sudden have a wonderful season? It would still have been a failure. Hell, even if we finished second, does that mean we shouldn't take advantage of an opportunity to improve? We've already seen how important timing can be in managerial appointments. If Mourinho is available and interested in the job, you don't say no in order to accommodate LVG for one final year before he retires. Loyalty is great, but a certain degree of ruthlessness is required in order to achieve sustained success.
What the hell.... I wouldn't mind us signing him, just for these rumours to stop,mye can afford it
This is what i think aswell.
City and Pool just got new managers, the other big clubs are in London.
I doubt he'll go to Newcastle,Leeds or Villa, they are simply too small for him at this stage in his career.
United is the only option in PL.
If he go abroad, we'll be stuck with LvG for one more year, and end up with Giggsy, we're screwed.
I refuse to believe that only fans, and noone within the club can see this.
I think it's really interesting that we have figured out Mourinho is becoming our manager by looking at other big clubs and thinking "well they don't want him"
It's sad times that it has come to the point where I am opening the internet first time in the morning hoping for the news of Jose as our manager; a manager, who I have never been a huge fan of. Though, and as sad as it is to type this, at this point this clubs need to win. It'll be three years at the end of this season without a trophy, and we most likely won't be in the champions league next season. We need to win, or fear going the Liverpool or the Arsenal route.
Jose, despite all his idiosyncrasies, is a proven winner, and this stage both us and him have a chip on our shoulders, which potentially makes this a match made in heaven.
The time for hipster choices like Poch was 3 years back or when we fired Moyes. We cannot afford another feck-up at this stage. Poch looks like an excellent choice but we don't know how he'll react to the pressure of managing the one of the biggest revenue earners in world football. Managing a big club is uncharted territory for him. With Pep at City, Wenger with money at Arsenal and Chelsea most definitely appointing a proven winner, we need a winner at the helm at our club too.
Love him or hate him, Jose is the best available candidate for us right now.
Jose, despite all his idiosyncrasies, is a proven winner, and this stage both us and him have a chip on our shoulders, which potentially makes this a match made in heaven.
The time for hipster choices like Poch was 3 years back or when we fired Moyes. We cannot afford another feck-up at this stage. Poch looks like an excellent choice but we don't know how he'll react to the pressure of managing the one of the biggest revenue earners in world football. Managing a big club is uncharted territory for him. With Pep at City, Wenger with money at Arsenal and Chelsea most definitely appointing a proven winner, we need a winner at the helm at our club too.
Love him or hate him, Jose is the best available candidate for us right now.
Boring football isn't about how it sounds, it's about how it looks. The mood was very positive in the beginning, because he played this positioning game that reminded everybody of better times, and Ajax fans are obsessed with positioning and a nice and tidy passing game. And winning the 30th title (more on fight and luck than class) after such troubled times was euphoric. Besides this euphoria, the mood was so positive because progress was assumed, now the positional game is back, the class and lots of chances will follow. But it didn't, on the contrary, with every transfer (Eriksen, Suarez, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, it wasn't a poor squad, it was far superior to all in the eredivisie) and a new signing, the squad got weaker and the talented youngsters coming through would soon stop developping. The socallled velvet revolution (a bloodbath) supposedly started because the 0-2 defeat at the Bernabeu was percieved as a disgrace (with the help of a lot of spin), but with De Boer, much more embarrassing resuts followed, against RB Salzburg, Spartak Moscow, PEC Zwolle, Vitesse, Molde, Rapid and a few others. Before De Boer took over, Ajax wasn't a match for clubs like Barca and Real, but they could challenge a still very decent AC Milan, now they struggle against clubs from Eastern Europe and Austria with the same or much less turnover. Ajax went downhill under De Boer and quite steeply. And the first time the competition finally got it's shit together, the title was lost. His tactical ideas are widely ridiculed, he tries a lot of things like he has no clue, and occiasionally stumbles on something that works, and then sticks with it until he has somehow made it stop working. The worst and mostly wrongfull criticism of Van Gaal, shackling players, taking away their freedom to express themselves, making players scared of the manager, let them play like robots, keep passing the ball sideways until the opponent gets tired and bored into making mistakes, are true for De Boer.
So the writer you quoted is obviously judging the book by it's cover. He has no insight at all.
Mourinho was pictured with Rui Faria walking the streets of London yesterday. Surley not just a social visit from his trusted lieutenant?
So he is going to Spurs?
I realise you are only proposing a hypothesis, but if this is true, then it is another sign he won't make it as a manager here because it would show he lacks the balls, assertiveness, skill to articulate or conviction in his views. Can you imagine Fergie being an assistant to someone and sitting on his hands while his head is full of ideas that could improve team performances? Never mind Fergie, can you imagine Pep?
And that is the kind assessment. Other, harsher, assessments could be:
He has had no influence in righting the sinking ship(s) because he has no ideas of his own; or:
He has ideas but he is keeping them for when he is manager. Aka he only cares about Ryan Giggs, not the club.
The truth is none of us really know what Giiggs is like as a person and what he could be like as a manager and I think that brings with it fear of the Unknown. I don't believe that he's not got the clubs best interested at heart, but at the same time I'm sure there could be an element of selfishness, however that's actually not a and trait to have when you get to be a manager. Mourinho and Fergie were selfish at times and look where that has got them.
Just to again counter that first point. I understand what your saying about not having them balls to get your ideas across but as an assistant your say only carries so far. LVG looks to me to be an arrogant man (I like this confidence, some don't) that ultimately will always make his own decisions based on what he has achieved, and in a manor that fits his own philosophy. In this way, Giggs may have the ideas, but they are simply ignored. Again I'm stressing that nobody knows these answers so it's al speculation but it does make an interesting talking point.
This reminds me of the Pep deal at the moment. Lots of news breaking out at the same time with everyone thinking City definitely had him. It then went very quiet, and then journalists started crawling out the woodwork to suggest we had a chance.. suddenly, mass rushing around looking at newspapers, wondering if he's going to either United or City when those in the know.. and any fan with common sense pretty much knew it was a done deal.
For me it seems like everything is pointing towards Mourinho coming here. Why would he hang around in England if there is literally no other club big enough in this country to take him on now.. He has also got no chance of managing any side that would interest him abroad. It was widely reported everywhere.
I think both sides are just keeping quiet now until it is time for it to be announced and Mourinho is just going out, making plans, scouting players etc. I don't think Poch is being looked at, it is just media perpetuated bullshit to drive up sales. Why would Poch even want to entertain the United job when his club is going for the title.. even if he was interested, no chance in hell would he want to be up for negotiations right now.. he'd ask for it to wait until the end of this season.
For me it seems like everything is pointing towards Mourinho coming here. Why would he hang around in England if there is literally no other club big enough in this country to take him on now.. He has also got no chance of managing any side that would interest him abroad. It was widely reported everywhere.
I think both sides are just keeping quiet now until it is time for it to be announced and Mourinho is just going out, making plans, scouting players etc. I don't think Poch is being looked at, it is just media perpetuated bullshit to drive up sales. Why would Poch even want to entertain the United job when his club is going for the title.. even if he was interested, no chance in hell would he want to be up for negotiations right now.. he'd ask for it to wait until the end of this season.
I am getting weary with myself for constantly ridiculing or downplaying Giggs, the best thing about the possibility of him moving on if Mourinho does come is that I wont feel the prospect of his possible appointment hanging over the club like the Sword of Damocles anymore and I can get back to thinking of him as a player who served the club with distinction for many years, rather than as this delusional fantasyland manager.
BUT: If what you are saying about Giggs is right - and it might well be - then he still doesnt deserve the job, but for a different reason, namely that he hasnt really gained much experience if he has no influence, and he cant have learned much by sitting on the sidelines watching someone do something badly. If he has no influence he should really quit and do something more productive with his time. If he does have influence, a fat lot of good its done us. Either way, he hasnt earned any qualification in my book from his association with this regime, the way things have panned out - and even advocates of his like @Walrus have said this.
Though I have to admit was dubious as to whether he would have had enough even if things had gone much better.
Yeh I think ultimately the risk at this point in time is just too high and I think that's what is swaying me. Thing is I can't stand Mounriho, and I really do think he goes against alot of the values that Manchester Utd means to me, however, we are backed into a corner and its one of those kill or be killed situations (excuse the dramatics), and in that sort of situation Mourniho is the right man. He's a fighter, winner and I think he has a point to prove like never before. Never have I thought a man so wrong for the job a couple of years ago is so right for the job now and that's all about the circumstances of both where we are and where he is. He arrives here when we are at our lowest and he's at his lowest and it just seems fitting to me that both regain their place at the top in the near future.
He'll be our Dark Knight.
You are right, we don't know what is really going on. I just can't think of a scenario that absolves Giggs of the failure of our latest two management teams, which leaves him smelling of roses. He is part of the team, after all.
Besides Wilkins who else ?
Those of you who actually seriously countenance giving Giggs the job should go to a corner and have a word with yourselves. Mourinho is in no way a guarantee for success and we don't know how it will work out with him, but he and Fergie have the same winning mentality. That is the United way. To win. The obsession with winning. Moyes and LVG have brought the obsession with pissing around and trying. No more of that.
Think that's the glory hunters way.
So you disagree with the fact that both Fergie and Jose instilled their teams with a strong winning mentality? It's not a glory hunter mentality. It's championship mentality. To hunger for the win.
I've written off this season. Looking forward to the Euros and the start of the Mourinho era
there's benni mccarthy (http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/35545354).
was gonna include frank lampard but looking at the stories a bit deeper it wasn't that he suggested it himself... dunno. at this point the rumors are just too strong to ignore, even for a skeptic like myself.
Xavi: LVG 'lacks tact'
Barcelona legend Xavi Hernandez believes that Louis van Gaal’s lack of tact and his relationship with the media are to blame for his struggling situation at Manchester United. The Spanish icon “feels sorry” for the Dutchman but backs former Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho to take over next campaign in order to see an exciting new duel between the Portuguese boss and future Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola in the Premier League.
The 36-year-old midfielder has been always open in his praise of van Gaal after the current United boss handed him his Barcelona debut during his time at the Camp Nou. He considers Van Gaal a “great manager” but believes his stubbornness could eventually cost him his job at Old Trafford.
“I feel bad for him. He is an honest man and a great manager ... who lacks a little tact. Furthermore, he gets along very badly with the press and that eventually undermine you. And if on top of that the results are not good you get to his current situation at Manchester United,” the former Barca midfielder said during an interview with Mundo Deportivo.
“Sometimes I have talked to (Barcelona manager) Luis Enrique about things that van Gaal said or did (when he was at Barcelona) that seemed outrageous for us when we were players.”
Barcelona legend Xavi Hernandez believes that Louis van Gaal’s lack of tact and his relationship with the media are to blame for his struggling situation at Manchester United. The Spanish icon “feels sorry” for the Dutchman but backs former Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho to take over next campaign in order to see an exciting new duel between the Portuguese boss and future Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola in the Premier League.
The 36-year-old midfielder has been always open in his praise of van Gaal after the current United boss handed him his Barcelona debut during his time at the Camp Nou. He considers Van Gaal a “great manager” but believes his stubbornness could eventually cost him his job at Old Trafford.
“I feel bad for him. He is an honest man and a great manager ... who lacks a little tact. Furthermore, he gets along very badly with the press and that eventually undermine you. And if on top of that the results are not good you get to his current situation at Manchester United,” the former Barca midfielder said during an interview with Mundo Deportivo.
“Sometimes I have talked to (Barcelona manager) Luis Enrique about things that van Gaal said or did (when he was at Barcelona) that seemed outrageous for us when we were players.”
No other team, player or manager wants to win a game, only those from United
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I don't think we are going to get him.
I mean, as big a twat as he his, I would be quite happy to have him here, but there's just something about this story that doesn't...... Feel right.
I mean, as big a twat as he his, I would be quite happy to have him here, but there's just something about this story that doesn't...... Feel right.
If the club didnt want him they would surely put an end to all the speculation like they did with Guardiola
Ah mate, what you're feeling is the same as leaving a message on a girls phone and she hasn't called back yet. He'll be the manager. I can feel it.
No, it's the United Way, in as much as it exists. As opposed to over promoting mid table Scottish managers when no other big club is stupid enough to employ them or giving out jobs based on cronyism to ex-players with no experience.
Ed Woodward is based in London.
That's one of the worst feelings in the world. Leaves you feeling like a complete moron.
England job after Woy is sacked post Euros.
He wouldn't gave to leave London for that. It is the ideal base for that kind of job.
He's here already in my opinion. Very rarely is there so much smoke without a fire and generally if the rumours start being a daily occurance that undermines the club, they release a statement.....there's been nothing
Yeah I'd agree, there's never any smoke without fire in football.
Btw does anyone here have team news for today? Is Pedro back yet? And is Wayne Rooney still absent with depression? Hoping to finally see the Thiago/Herrera dream partnership.
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