This is what it looks like to me as well.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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It's a good point. Hope you're right.
People have been accusing them of doing it all along. All you're doing now is twisting the narrative a little.
Where in my statement did I imply this?
I've questioned his lack of awareness and ignorance - that has nothing to do with what you've said.
And it is ignorance in my opinion and a lack of logical thinking if Ryan believes he should be hired. That United job is huge pressure. You had better come as prepared as possible or it can destroy your confidence totally. Ryan would never recover from that failure. However, he doesn't seem to have taken this into account, hence my other contention that he lacks awareness.
Except he's only been assistant to one manager and was still a player under the other. He was offered a job he wanted. The hyperbole around Giggs is ridiculous.
Good to see no one is overreacting about Mourinho
Its nothing compared with comments about Jose and spec. about his assistant in PL match threads while he was at Chelsea (not sure about Real tho),now same those people (cant prove all of them) who called Jose and Animal all kinds of names,describing his football in all kinds of manner,laughing at his bus parking etc. telling us how Jose is great now and so on.Funny thing...its not even close to your comment,my emotions are more reserved regarding a mess under first team at the moment,about direction this club taking as whole etc. My opinion is clear when it comes to Jose,he is a cnut,voted no and that wont change but if he becomes our manager,my concerns wont change,it will be connected with things going below first team.
Its not even a rant,there is high chance if Jose becomes our manager that Rui Faria will come with him,imagine that classless animal behind our badge.
He was a player-coach under Moyes.
I questioned his love for the club because it would be a huge ask to expect himself to be successful being manager of Manchester United, the biggest club on earth, when he has almost no experience in the position.
Simply put. It would be too much of a risk.
Yes. So he hasn't been an assistant manager to two failed managers then?
No, but he wasn't just a player under Moyes either. Anyway, my opinion still stands regardless of his role under Moyes.
Opinions are fairly useless without the basic facts to back them up.
I've no idea what that's supposed to mean in the context of discussing rather Giggs should take over United, as many share my opinion, but here's a quote I dug up in regards to Giggs' role under Moyes. He was still a player, but by the sounds of things, he still worked closely with him during his reign.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/ryan-giggs-stay-manchester-united-2462891
Has anybody read this article?
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ourinho-feels-embarrassed-manchester-10869546
Mourinho embarrassed? No way
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ourinho-feels-embarrassed-manchester-10869546
Mourinho embarrassed? No way
I'm reading conflicting reports on this, some say Mourinho is coming here in the summer come what may, and some say he will only join us if we miss out on top 4.
Surely Mourinho with CL status is going to be better than Mourinho with no CL, both in terms of potential impact, and budget/attracting the big name players we seem to want? if we get top 4 then it just makes the appointment more potent.
Surely Mourinho with CL status is going to be better than Mourinho with no CL, both in terms of potential impact, and budget/attracting the big name players we seem to want? if we get top 4 then it just makes the appointment more potent.
Using your university example... No you don't expect to get CEO but Christ knows if they are offering it, you snap their hand off! If Giiggs believes in his own ability and his ideas I don't understand this notion that he should turn down the job if opportunity presents itself. Thing is there is no sure things in life and in football maybe more so, so no one knows what would happen if he was put in charge. The only thing I would say tho is that if the club think he's got some special abilty to manage then that's qualification enough for me as they see him day in day out. It's a huge gamble and one I'm not sure we should take but it's not as outlandish as people think.
Isn't this more to do with the fact that LVG would be given more time if we make the top four?
I'll say this, if nothing else:
If the story many now consider at least half-gospel, i.e. that United's long-term scheme has been to "groom" Giggs in various ways under LVG, is true - then it makes no sense to lambast Giggs himself for - what? - refusing to go along with said scheme:
"We believe in you, Ryan - we want you to combine the best of Fergie and LVG and lead United to glory!" What's he gonna say? "Nah, can't do that - have to earn me stripes at Stockport first."
You said you thought he would do anything possible to get the UTD job including using his friends as a mouth piece, if thats not implying an egotistical nature then I'm not sure what is. You can look at that point in too ways, one way is what your saying where he lacks awareness and is ignorant of what the job is like: however, I simply don't think that's the case. Giggs has played at Utd nearly all his life, if there is anyone that understands the pressures of the club it's him, add to that, the short interim period as manager and I'm sure he fully realises the magnitude of the task at hand. Maybe, Giiggs feels that after playing for fegie and working with Moyes and LVg has given him the extra experience he needs to push on. We don't know what ideas and plans he might have but who's to say they won't be very creative and improve the team. Ultimately, Giggs might want the job because he does feel ready, confident and wants to take the risk. Sure it may backfire but ultimately he can rejoice in the fact that there can be know regrets.
Having spouted all this long winded spiel, I just again want to clarify that Giggs is not my number one choice as manager, and I do accept that there are some large, (all be it Unknown) risks that come with him. But if he has the confidence to make it then that's not one of the reason we should shoot him down.
Well you didn't know the basics of how often he's been assistant manager and you've no clue what he does. It means your opinion is based on very little really. What in that quote suggests he worked closely with Moyes? There were plenty of rumours at the time that Giggs was not listened to and wanted out if Moyes had stayed.
I don't know, but to expect Mourinho to be still there waiting the following year is a bit much, like I say if we want him we want him, and getting, or not getting top 4 shouldn't really come into at this point.
I don't see the point though, why give him more time? He's retiring next year. Giving him more time to miss out on one of the best managers in world football would be suicide.
LvG will be gone if we don't get Top 4, then bring in Jose who can lift the club and attract players because of his reputation.
That's true - the physiological side can be managed. But a lot of that isn't really (or probably shouldn't be) the manager's responsibility.
This is what I've said in the past. Who in their right mind can blame Giggs? He's doing what every single one of us would do if we were given the chance.
This scenario would be crazy, but fun - Bring in Mourinho as assistant manager at the end of the current season, even if United do not finish fourth. United will secure his services, then elevate Jose to manager during LVG's third season if he's sacked or at the end of season 3. You bring in Jose to acclimate and adjust to his surroundings. Shit, Jose can be Carlos Queiroz for a year at best, then be the man(ager). Giggs would have to leave and find an actual manager job, you know, where he manages and cuts his teeth on a full-time basis.
Everyone knows LVG is a lame duck going into next season, so doing the due diligence and securing Jose is a certain must; a qualified personality, a winner and someone who knows what winning in England is all about. United are the hammer and need to strike a deal. The timing is right and the post-LVG future can be solidified with Mourinho.
Everyone knows LVG is a lame duck going into next season, so doing the due diligence and securing Jose is a certain must; a qualified personality, a winner and someone who knows what winning in England is all about. United are the hammer and need to strike a deal. The timing is right and the post-LVG future can be solidified with Mourinho.
Ronaldo is uneducated, sneers Mourinho
Jose Mourinho responded to seeing Manchester United all but snatch Chelsea’s Premiership title by launching another astonishing attack on Cristiano Ronaldo — this time insulting his family and ridiculing his lack of education.
Mourinho accused United winger Ronaldo, who is also Portuguese, of "not showing maturity and respect" and attributed that to a "difficult childhood" with "no education."
Chelsea’s manager has become embroiled in a war of words with the double PFA Player of the Year after complaining that United led a charmed life when it came to penalty decisions.
Ronaldo replied that Mourinho "does not know how to admit his own failures" and the Stamford Bridge boss reacted by branding the 22-year-old "a liar".
Then, in the aftermath of Chelsea’s 2-2 draw at home to Bolton on Saturday which saw them slip five points behind Premiership leaders United, Mourinho was asked about comments Sir Alex Ferguson had made in response to the row.
Mourinho said: "It’s a game where a kid had some statements not very . . . not showing maturity and respect, maybe difficult childhood, no education, maybe the consequence of that. Sir Alex felt he had to protect his boy. But normal things . . . I have no problems with him (Ferguson). I have no problem with the boy."
Ferguson will not appreciate the remarks about his player, who had an impoverished background in Madeira, from someone who had a privileged upbringing and a university education. Ronaldo’s father Dinnis, a council gardener, died from kidney problems after a long battle against alcoholism. His mother Dolores was forced to take jobs as a cleaner and a cook and Ronaldo grew up in a tiny, tin-roofed shack.
Mourinho also came under subtle attack from Rafa Benitez, whose Liverpool side will seek to overturn a 1-0 deficit when they play Chelsea in the second leg of the Champions League semifinal at Anfield tomorrow.
Benitez claimed Mourinho is under severe pressure, saying: "Chelsea have spent more money than anyone else in the world in the last five years. They have spent millions and they need to win trophies. If they cannot win the league now they will be under real pressure.
"They are the favourites. We are the underdogs."
Mourinho, meanwhile, is understood to be unimpressed that his German midfielder Michael Ballack chose to have surgery on Friday night on an ankle injury that will rule him out for 10 days, jeopardising his chances of appearing in key end-of-season matches.
One of the most classless things Mourinho has said imo, his eye gouging and antics dont really bother me but to bring up Ronaldo's childhood for no reason was pretty silly
Jose Mourinho responded to seeing Manchester United all but snatch Chelsea’s Premiership title by launching another astonishing attack on Cristiano Ronaldo — this time insulting his family and ridiculing his lack of education.
Mourinho accused United winger Ronaldo, who is also Portuguese, of "not showing maturity and respect" and attributed that to a "difficult childhood" with "no education."
Chelsea’s manager has become embroiled in a war of words with the double PFA Player of the Year after complaining that United led a charmed life when it came to penalty decisions.
Ronaldo replied that Mourinho "does not know how to admit his own failures" and the Stamford Bridge boss reacted by branding the 22-year-old "a liar".
Then, in the aftermath of Chelsea’s 2-2 draw at home to Bolton on Saturday which saw them slip five points behind Premiership leaders United, Mourinho was asked about comments Sir Alex Ferguson had made in response to the row.
Mourinho said: "It’s a game where a kid had some statements not very . . . not showing maturity and respect, maybe difficult childhood, no education, maybe the consequence of that. Sir Alex felt he had to protect his boy. But normal things . . . I have no problems with him (Ferguson). I have no problem with the boy."
Ferguson will not appreciate the remarks about his player, who had an impoverished background in Madeira, from someone who had a privileged upbringing and a university education. Ronaldo’s father Dinnis, a council gardener, died from kidney problems after a long battle against alcoholism. His mother Dolores was forced to take jobs as a cleaner and a cook and Ronaldo grew up in a tiny, tin-roofed shack.
Mourinho also came under subtle attack from Rafa Benitez, whose Liverpool side will seek to overturn a 1-0 deficit when they play Chelsea in the second leg of the Champions League semifinal at Anfield tomorrow.
Benitez claimed Mourinho is under severe pressure, saying: "Chelsea have spent more money than anyone else in the world in the last five years. They have spent millions and they need to win trophies. If they cannot win the league now they will be under real pressure.
"They are the favourites. We are the underdogs."
Mourinho, meanwhile, is understood to be unimpressed that his German midfielder Michael Ballack chose to have surgery on Friday night on an ankle injury that will rule him out for 10 days, jeopardising his chances of appearing in key end-of-season matches.
One of the most classless things Mourinho has said imo, his eye gouging and antics dont really bother me but to bring up Ronaldo's childhood for no reason was pretty silly
But stay if he gets it, I want shut of LvG in the summer full stop.
Would us finishing 4 th again warrant LvG staying? if we did it it'd likely be with a lower points total than last year anyway. If Jose is coming it shouldn't come with the caveat of 'only if we finish out of the top 4', getting it would only enhance his impact surely.
That may be the case now. However this is what was said after analyzing his impact at Ajax:
Put in charge of Ajax's first team amid Johan Cruyff's 'Velvet Revolution' after impressing with the Under-19s side, De Boer immediately instilled in the Eredivisie giants a more attractive style of football, taking them back to something more resembling the club's Total Football philosophy.
With his flexible formation allowing for a fluent transition in play, Ajax were a joy to watch as they stormed through the second half of the season, beating league leaders Twente on the final day to overtake them and secure the title.
Over the years, his belief in youth, the way in which he helped to develop his young players and his new tactical ideas coupled with his constant demand for perfection showed him to be an all-round impressive boss with a very bright future.
I know things have gone a bit downhill so far, so he may have limitations, but it certainly doesn't sound as though he plays boring football.
Nothing suggests he worked closely, but he worked close enough to him to merit a temporary position as our manager until the end of the season. He was an assistant to Moyes in some form despite still being a player, and neither you or I know the full extent of his role.
How many articles a day does he do?Has anybody read this article?
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ourinho-feels-embarrassed-manchester-10869546
Mourinho embarrassed? No way
Also seems to change his mind around a lot
I believe Mourinho later apologised to Ronaldo and Ferguson for what he said.
Revealed!........3 quarters of the article is made up of a timeline.
I can't believe the club would be stupid enough to only hire Mourinho if LvG doesn't sneak into the top 4, but the MEN seems very keen for him not to be appointed.Then what point were you making when you showed me the quote? How close he worked to Moyes played no part in his promotion. The more senior staff who did work closer to Moyes were sacked. You're really right neither of us know his role or how he performed in it. Which is why I find it weird you judge him on something you don't know.
Yeah, I remember that one. Low blow, that was. And pretty silly, as you say: It's hard to see how this could work on any sort of "mind game" level. Ronaldo - and Ronaldo under Fergie's wings at that - would surely take inspiration from such drivel rather than anything else.
Maureen has clearly simply lost his shit on occasion, rather than being a master of mind games.
At the end of the day, though, we all know he's prone to cuntishness - more than most. It's part of the package with him.
Fergie lost it nearly every week at the officials, it was probably for the best that we never heard what he was screaming in their faces.
Do you remember when he lost his temper at the Sky interviewer and told him to 'f**k off' because dared to ask him about Roy Keanes latest red card?
Yeah, you'll get no arguments from me on that point. Fergie was no angel. And as stated elsewhere, United as a club haven't been your typical haven for that sort over the years. In that sense, Maureen fits the bill - as does LVG. Controversial figures hated by both opposition fans and the press - that's right along with the tune, actually.
You can always argue what's over the mark and what's not - but that's practically personal preference more than anything. To some what Keano did on occasion, for instance, will be deemed more outrageous than anything Maureen has done.
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