BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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any cup that is a one off contest between only two participants shouldn't be in the same bracket as proper cup wins involving an entire league/group of teams.

it's an exhibition game.

the world club challenge i'll give, as at least there's more than just two teams.
 
sunama said:
I thought this was interesting:

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full article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35545354
Guardiola did have Messi on his team, though Jose had Ronaldo.
In any case, Guardiola definitely has the edge here.
Jose has the bigger trophy haul, though he has managed for longer.
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This head to head includeds Barcelona vs Inter and Bayern vs Chelsea in the super cup where Pep had a much better side.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
He won the CL with Porto and Inter, teams that you absolutely would not have expected to win at the time. Not to downplay Guardiola's achievements, they are fantastic, but he just hasn't done something like that. I suppose he has not had the opportunity, though
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People overrating his achievements, because now it's clear that he will be our new manager (at least likely). Don't get me wrong, those 2 titles were good achievements, but no miracles imo. The whole CL season with Porto was a complete freak-year with every big team underperforming. There opponents in the semifinal were Monaco, La Coruna and a new-rich-Chelsea-side under Raineri. I also never understand why they praised his title with Inter so much, they were without a doubt a Top3/4 team in Europe and dominated in Italy for fun. They had a very good and escpecially balanced side, only Barca was clearly better and our side wasn't much stronger imo and that's it overall. Real was shit and busy with going out in the R16, the other PL teams were already a bit on a decline and Bayern just entered the first van Gaal year after some shitty periods. Except Barca and us there wasn't really that big competition for the CL title. It was a surprise that Bayern reached the final and Lyon entered semifinals too, Bordeaux made it into quarterfinals etc, Mancini just underperformed massively in Europe before.
And winning Serie A with that team was comparable to Pep winning Bundesliga with Bayern. And with Real he had another team, where he could barely finish outside Top2 either. So people shouldn't look on it that one-sided either ;)
 
Attila said:
This head to head includeds Barcelona vs Inter and Bayern vs Chelsea in the super cup where Pep had a much better side.
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And did not win the first tie and relied on 90th minute goal to tie the other.
 
Rio has his say on José and Ryan:

Ferdinand also backed former team-mate and current assistant manager Ryan Giggs to replace Van Gaal in the summer, but admits he is a bigger risk than Mourinho.

“Jose Mourinho’s name is getting mentioned. If you want someone whose got a career track record in winning in the Premier League and various other countries, then he’s that guy,” said the 37-year-old. “But if you want someone who understands the philosophy, whose respectful of the philosophy, who identifies with the fans, knows the place inside out, who’s going to be a bigger risk, then Ryan Giggs is that guy.”
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Pyroblazer said:
People overrating his achievements, because now it's clear that he will be our new manager (at least likely). Don't get me wrong, those 2 titles were good achievements, but no miracles imo. The whole CL season with Porto was a complete freak-year with every big team underperforming. There opponents in the semifinal were Monaco, La Coruna and a new-rich-Chelsea-side under Raineri. I also never understand why they praised his title with Inter so much, they were without a doubt a Top3/4 team in Europe and dominated in Italy for fun. They had a very good and escpecially balanced side, only Barca was clearly better and our side wasn't much stronger imo and that's it overall. Real was shit and busy with going out in the R16, the other PL teams were already a bit on a decline and Bayern just entered the first van Gaal year after some shitty periods. Except Barca and us there wasn't really that big competition for the CL title. It was a surprise that Bayern reached the final and Lyon entered semifinals too, Bordeaux made it into quarterfinals etc, Mancini just underperformed massively in Europe before.
And winning Serie A with that team was comparable to Pep winning Bundesliga with Bayern. And with Real he had another team, where he could barely finish outside Top2 either. So people shouldn't look on it that one-sided either ;)
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every team and manager gets some luck. look at Pep's Barca side that got through that CL semi final against Chelsea.

the point is that, on the whole, Pep has managed the absolute elite clubs. Jose has not, and has still won everywhere. yes there is luck involved at times but when you're consistently winning across multiple leagues, there is definite skill there too.
 
I'm a bit worried that Ed & co will think: 'We've tried two outsiders and it hasn't worked; time for someone who's familiar with the club'.
 
SteveJ said:
Rio has his say on José and Ryan:

Ferdinand also backed former team-mate and current assistant manager Ryan Giggs to replace Van Gaal in the summer, but admits he is a bigger risk than Mourinho.

“Jose Mourinho’s name is getting mentioned. If you want someone whose got a career track record in winning in the Premier League and various other countries, then he’s that guy,” said the 37-year-old. “But if you want someone who understands the philosophy, whose respectful of the philosophy, who identifies with the fans, knows the place inside out, who’s going to be a bigger risk, then Ryan Giggs is that guy.”
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Hmm what a hard choice :lol: you could put so many peoples name in there instead of Giggs
 
I'm glad Rio has cleared that up for us all now because God forbid we were all very confused about who the better appointment would be, Thanks Rio.
 
SteveJ said:
Rio has his say on José and Ryan:
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You could replace Giggs with Scholes, Neville, Robson, Keane, Rio himself, VDS, Evra, Schmeichel, Hughes, Bruce.

He's basically saying that being a long term player under SAF is enough to be manager of the club. It's a ridiculous argument.
 
The last few weeks have been a bit cringey with all of the ex-players and the like being mobilised to basically champion the cause of Giggs. If he's the best man for the job then all of this pageantry and twanging of the heartstrings is unnecessary.
 
Ryan Giggs, Manchester United & Football’s Peculiar Amateurism

Giggs is a candidate for the Manchester United job because of what he represents, rather than because of the managerial skills he possesses. Giggs is a source of positive energy and the prevailing belief seems to be that plugging him in will be enough to heat the room.

It’s a classic mind-trick; the glare of his transcendent playing glory is too bright even for the normally rational.

This is one of those areas in which football is quite uniquely amateur. With enormous sums of money at stake and commercial viability determined by performance, this is still an industry which is happy to “let someone have a go” if his face fits the picture. Qualifications are unimportant, experience is not essential, but an association with a vague range of empty intangibles is imperative.
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http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/ryan-giggs-manchester-united-footballs-peculiar-amateurism
 
Has there been anything new in this? This thread has shot up a few pages in the last day
 
SteveJ said:
Ryan Giggs, Manchester United & Football’s Peculiar Amateurism
http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/ryan-giggs-manchester-united-footballs-peculiar-amateurism
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The counter to that is that the nature of football is massively unpredictable, and the qualifications required are highly intangible, the results seemingly almost random.

Which is to say that you can apply every bit of science and business accumen available to decisions such as appointing the manager, and there's still a very high chance it'll go wrong. This leaves the door wide open to making the "feel good" decision.
 
Sir A1ex said:
The counter to that is that the nature of football is massively unpredictable, and the qualifications required are highly intangible, the results seemingly almost random.

Which is to say that you can apply every bit of science and business accumen available to decisions such as appointing the manager, and there's still a very high chance it'll go wrong. This leaves the door wide open to making the "feel good" decision.
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Im not so sure about that. You are right that it is unpredictable. But that doesnt mean there is no scientific basis to it all. When SAF came in and sorted out the drinking culture at United, and looked at what people ate before games etc, we improved and others had to do the same to keep up. You now get legions of sports scientists looking at how players train, that has also had an impact. So while football is still inherently unpredictable that does not mean it shouldnt be approached with professionalism.
 
The 'feel good' factor seems pointless when the reality amongst United fans is 'feel doubtful at best'.
 
SteveJ said:
The 'feel good' factor seems pointless when the reality amongst United fans is 'feel doubtful at best'.
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To be fair, it difficult to assess what the majority of the United fans feel. The polls here are just a sand grain. The people on the CAF characteristically feel doubtful about many things, so thats not really a criteria.
 
Knowing the club inside out and the sort of football the fans like is such a paper-thin argument. It should carry no weight at all.
 
SteveJ said:
The 'feel good' factor seems pointless when the reality amongst United fans is 'feel doubtful at best'.
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That's what I find so bizarre about the Giggs situation. He isn't a popular choice. Unless there are loads of United fans in places I don't know about who all love the idea, he really is NOT a popular choice, and certainly not the one wanted by a majority of the club's supporters.

Now, of course “feel good” and “heat the room” and whatever is spouted could apply simply to the club, internally, but I maintain that it would be an odd appointment if you regard it as a “romantic” one. If the club sensed that Giggs would be an overwhelmingly welcome figure among fans, I could understand the scheme * to a greater degree.

* The scheme as we perceive it. In truth we don't know if there is such a scheme in place, but at the very least it exists in the form of an idea all these ex-players seemingly find plausible enough.
 
Akash said:
Has there been anything new in this? This thread has shot up a few pages in the last day
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Think the newest things are Di Marzio again saying that we're in for him/that he'll be our new manager and some Spanish or Portuguese newspaper was cited by SportsWitness that he'll be our manager with 20 mln Euro/year or something.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
That's what I find so bizarre about the Giggs situation. He isn't a popular choice. Unless there are loads of United fans in places I don't know about who all love the idea, he really is NOT a popular choice, and certainly not the one wanted by a majority of the club's supporters.

Now, of course “feel good” and “heat the room” and whatever is spouted could apply simply to the club, internally, but I maintain that it would be an odd appointment if you regard it as a “romantic” one. If the club sensed that Giggs would be an overwhelmingly welcome figure among fans, I could understand the scheme * to a greater degree.

* The scheme as we perceive it. In truth we don't know if there is such a scheme in place, but at the very least it exists in the form of an idea all these ex-players seemingly find plausible enough.
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He's the popular choice with opposition fans...says it all
 
Kostur said:
Think the newest things are Di Marzio again saying that we're in for him/that he'll be our new manager and some Spanish or Portuguese newspaper was cited by SportsWitness that he'll be our manager with 20 mln Euro/year or something.
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Thanks. Sounds promising.
 
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