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BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Go nothing to do with the club, the question was directed at us.
Not as clear cut as you think. We're more boring under LVG and he's spent a tonne of money. Where would we be without the massive investment in the team under LVG? My guess is bottom half of the table, easily. The only reason LVG hasn't sunk that low is the investment he's had, but he's been worse as a manager for me. The atmosphere around the club has been at an all time low this season.
I'm just saying, it mirrors the decision the club has to make. No point sitting on the fence.
What? I dont get this Mata hate at all
Nor me - he seems a nice guy and is one of our best players.
Sigh...
It's not what Mata thinks. It's the fact that if a few cliquey players don't like the manager it can cause problems in the dressing room. It means Jose wouldn't have a part of the dressing room before he's even stepped into it.
Anyway I'm just curious about what the players might be thinking. You can't deny that Jose has burned a few bridges with some players - and we know players from different clubs speak to each other or are their international team mates - I'm just hoping that extra negativity doesn't come into play if he's the manager here.
Firstly, criticism does not equal "hate". Secondly, after paying nearly 40 million for a player in his peak years who was already attuned to the premier league, I'd expect a hell of a lot more than what we have seen over the last two years. We spent top dollar on a top 6 player and, funnily enough, we are now a top 6 team.
Really? We have a story from last Friday, published by the BBC, suggesting that United have made contact with Mourinho. The BBC also made clear that there is no agreement in place, and no offer has been made, nor even the promise of an offer (they also said Giggs and Pochettino have not been dismissed as candidates to replace Van Gaal should he go, and that depending on United's performance in the remainder of the season, there might not even be vacancy anyway).
And we have a story today, published simultaneously (and rather incoherently) by four papers, saying that one of Mourinho's mates has supposedly been blabbing that he'll join United in the summer (if Van Gaal actually leaves).
That's it. Hardly an avalanche of evidence. I'd be inclined to stick with the BBC's information from 5 days ago, until we get something more solid than a "mate reckons it's a done deal" story suggesting otherwise.
i remember the Moyes season very well - the atmosphere then was really really low. The only difference is the press and ex players didn't wind up supporters - they were constantly feeding us the 'more time' narrative, and he's a 'decent man'. But personally, that was a terrible time. And Moyes spent near £60M on two players - so if he didn't use the funds available, that's his fault.
And laying that on the players feet entirely is just bullshit. You cant seriously say that its been a settled period for him at the club. Players like him need to be in the right position and playing regularly in it to be most effective. I think you are being harsh.
You forgot the el confidencial story, which seems pretty detailed and Di Marzio is sure he will be our manager next season. A lot of smoke, but lets wait and see
But, back to my first point, whether Mata likes him or not is irrelevant. He is a lightweight player who will rightfully be kicked out by Mourinho. We are a struggling team and (maybe De Gea aside) none of our dressing room has earned the right to start bitching about the manager. As to potential signings, it's mainly about money plus career prospects plus location. Mourinho can only influence one of those factors and he offers better prospects of winning than most.
When has that ever stopped a football player from 'bitching'?
Anyway, let's hope this isn't an issue because Mourinho hasn't shown that he can deal well with people who hate his guts (and that includes players).
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/10/jose-mourinho-abroad-premier-league?CMP=share_btn_tw
Well that's a curve ball. Apparently not even preliminary contact between Mourinho and Utd so far, and implied that Van Gaal might not even leave this summer if he sneaks Champions League football.
Well that's a curve ball. Apparently not even preliminary contact between Mourinho and Utd so far, and implied that Van Gaal might not even leave this summer if he sneaks Champions League football.
Have you ever tried to post something which I don't agree with. Try it.. you might enjoy it.
Hehe. That's Mata fecked off then. Fare thee well, Mr. Bloggy.
Do you honestly think Jose gives two shits about what a player like Mata thinks. He's taken on the likes of Casiilas. Mata will get sold if Jose is here - no doubt about it.
I don't think I am. He was part of a chaotic Chelsea side and has moved on to be part of a mediocre United side. Maybe he just isn't that good? No pace, no physicality...
That would all echo exactly the BBC's story from Friday. No agreement, no offer on the table, no promise of an offer, United essentially feeling out potential candidates should they need to/decide to replace Van Gaal this summer (which they may not do)
Honestly wouldn't surprise me at all. Woodward's and Van Gaal are far too cosy with eachother.
I agree we've hit an all time low in terms of atmosphere but that's only because it's yet another year of shit. Moyes was only the first. Under him we were miles off the top 4 at all times and pummelled in every big game. Van Gaal atleast managed a top 4 finish and some big game wins.
BBC said we are in talks though.
What the hell to believe? My first instinct after reading that is Woodward trying to do some 'damage control'. Just don't quite believe United haven't gone further than talks with Mourinho.
At the end of the article it states that Jose would be in pole position to take over if LVG is sacked - how can you be in pole position if all you've had is preliminary contact?
It's the Guardian, the feck do they know? I'll believe Di Marzio over any source with the exception of BBC.
Isn't Jamie Jackson always trying to go against the overwhelming consensus so if it happens to be wrong he looks some some huge in the know? The BBC said there was talks so no contact is bollocks.
Who said we are in talks and it's likely LVG will go in the Summer. No talks is bollocks.
BBC, Di Marzio, Balague all saying talks have taken place. Di Marzio even claims that Mourinho will be our next manager for sure.
Jackson has been fed this info in order to calm things down as Van Gaal clearly struggles to deal with the Mourinho questions.
Jackson has been fed this info in order to calm things down as Van Gaal clearly struggles to deal with the Mourinho questions.
Jesus God! Was I only speaking about Mata?!
I said (1) the Spanish contingent we at least know are cliquey, so if Mata hates Jose, more than likely his mates would back him up. If Jose fecks Mata off and leaves them at the club, they would probably have some resentment towards Jose - that is not good for a dressing room. (2) my primary thing was wondering what the players thought of Mourinho - knowing that he's fecked off other players and that players talk to each other and/or are international team mates. - I'm just curious about this.
(3) I hope the dressing room in the main would have positive feelings towards Jose (not Mata
) - otherwise it would not be good for him, nor us.Yes well apart from that part. Perhaps a disagreement over what exactly constitutes 'talks regarding potentially replacing Van Gaal' (Guardian's wording) vs 'getting some idea of the thinking behind the major candidates' (the BBC's). Or possibly Jamie Jackson is just being Jamie Jackson...
Agreed. But, as far as Mata is concerned, who cares? He's great if we want a tilt at the Europa League but he would not have made the bench in 2008. I suspect the rest of our squad are Mourinho-neutral - apprehensive maybe but willing to give him a try.
I'm believing the BBC over Jamie Jackson.
Jackson always seems to be there to depress United fans by crushing the latest rumours (positive ones at least), I tend to think that this is far more likely though. Van Gaal seems very confident that he's safe and I feel that might well be true. Not really seen anything from him, Woody or anyone at the club to suggest he's not staying long term.
Jesus God! Was I only speaking about Mata?!
I said (1) the Spanish contingent we at least know are cliquey, so if Mata hates Jose, more than likely his mates would back him up. If Jose fecks Mata off and leaves them at the club, they would probably have some resentment towards Jose - that is not good for a dressing room. (2) my primary thing was wondering what the players thought of Mourinho - knowing that he's fecked off other players and that players talk to each other and/or are international team mates. - I'm just curious about this.
(3) I hope the dressing room in the main would have positive feelings towards Jose (not Mata
We have one Spanish player worth keeping and whether he leaves us or not will have nothing to do with Mourinho. Maybe Hazard bad mouths him too but I won't lose any sleep over our two Belgians. Who else among our decent players is likely to have an anti-Mourinho agenda? He may lose the dressing room but that is not something we can gauge at this stage (Chelsea version 1 and Inter loved him, Madrid and Chelsea version 2 not so much).
I see Mourinho was at the Dortmund match this week, hopefully watching Reus, Hummel's and maybe Aubemeyang. We need some good players around Martial in attack.
Well I hope you're right.
Tbf, Jackson usually knows feck all. Don't think the club likes him either - probably feed him a load of balls as well
Of course Mata should not take complete responsibility for the poor showing since his arrival, but he needs to shoulder some of the blame.
He is a senior player. 2nd most expensive player in our team. And we shouldn't be pandering to Mata's whims, given that if he did get sold in the Summer, it probably wouldn't make much difference to the results.
Now, DDG, Martial and Smalling are an entirely different matter, as these are players who are performing well for the club.
My two cents are that the club have spoken to Mourinho about his plans and that we might be on the look out but I doubt we have already offered him the position. I also suspect Mourinho isn't the only manager we have contacted.
Jackson is a terrible reporter
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