Signing of Martial and his goal against Liverpool on his debut after those "what a waste of money" stories?
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Signing of Martial and his goal against Liverpool on his debut after those "what a waste of money" stories?
Ah i see, I just wouldn't have labelled winning the league as "news" so it confused me
Best thing to happen since then was signing di Maria imo. It's just a shame LvG is an idiot. He'd be flying this season under a real manager. Di Maria and Martial together would have been
There's pride in that, sure, but it is no longer realistic to expect a Busby or Fergie-type builder of dynasties. It's incredibly rare in any event to find a manager who can keep modernising himself while at the same club (most grow stale, like Moyes did at Everton), and then combine that with the fact that managing a "superclub" like United is incredibly exhausting. We should be looking at 3-5 year stints for our managers rather than tilting at windmills.
By that logic, every time we won a game in the past 2.5 years, something good happened, but all pales into insignificance with Moyes or LVG in charge.
I think that when you see what Pochettini did at both Southampton and Spurs, you have to wonder what he would do at United. Yet to win anything, so there is always doubt.
As far as other big names are concerned I would take Macinni, Conte, De Boer, and Allegri over Jose. Not because I think they are better, I think they have an appetite for the style of football United fans want to see and I think they would be just as successful, with less baggage. If Jose comes I will support him to the day he leaves, but I don't really want to see the BS PC that he does, I don't want to see a policy of only buying the finished product (and that goes for the other ones I mentioned), and I want to be sitting on the edge of my seat when I watch.
We need to find a successful manager and hope he stays long term, not find a long term manager and hope he's successful.
If we discount results as "news" then probably the best piece of news since Summer 2008.Ah i see, I just wouldn't have labelled winning the league as "news" so it confused me
Best thing to happen since then was signing di Maria imo. It's just a shame LvG is an idiot. He'd be flying this season under a real manager. Di Maria and Martial together would have been
Totally agree. Just like the other sacred cow - we need to identify youth players who are good enough rather than play youth players for the sake of it and hope they come good. Busby said that if they are good enough, they are old enough. He did not say "if they are young enough, they are good enough".
Too frothy. No deal.
To whom are you referring to?
MourinhON
Should've been the one we hired after SAF. Better late than never. Think he'd have won us the Champions League if we got him then.
Which ones pray tell are being played "for the sake of it" ?
moURINEho
Superb.
Based on what, he had far stronger teams at Chelsea and RM and did not manage it. It is probably fair to say that the Barca and Bayern of the last few years were stronger than when he was at those clubs. Also the evolution of PSG is becoming interesting. We are also not sure what funds Jose would have been given when he came to United after Fergie, so I think it would be very optimistic to say he would have won the CL, especially within 12 months of him being here he would have said goodbye to Giggs, Vidic, Rio, and Evra.
Because it's what this club is built on. One of the major factors that contributed to our success as a club is, longevity.
He did take both Madrid and Chelsea to the next level and won them the league after a several years without.
I just think he'd have given us that extra push to win us the CL. I still think Fergie's last team was fantastic.
a f*cking urine sample 
There's no way that's Jose's sample. Everyone knows he pisses excellence.
I was referring to what I see on here (among some posters) as an over-emphasis on youth and a romanticising of United's history. In my lifetime, the Class of 92 was the only time that players brought through the ranks have played a decisive role. Most of the time we have bought our team. I think nearly all big teams are going this way (Barcelona are still benefiting from a golden generation but I suspect their future is Neymar, Suarez etc).
Why would a club get a urine or blood sample from a manager?
Everyone knows Mourinho's mental anyway
I fail to see this logic. I don't want Mounrinho but I didn't oppose the Martial transfer. What kind of imaginary mentality are you talking about?
So I take it we're assuming he'll still want to join us even if we don't finish top 4?
And would this be a first for him joining a club with no CL football?
And would this be a first for him joining a club with no CL football?
No, the major factor that you mistook for longevity, is the fact that we were bloody blessed to have two of the finest managers ever to manage us, and the longevity that ensued was due to their brilliance.
We can roll with the punches, appoint the best qualified candidate to bring us success, then hope he stays, or we move on for others that will continue that success, or we get bogged down in sentimentality like that and become the new Pool.
My company check my piss for drugs. D&A policy yo. Would be no good for Man Utd to later find out Jose is on the white lines.
Why would a club get a urine or blood sample from a manager?
Everyone knows Mourinho's mental anyway
I don't believe for one second it is his piss though.
But at the same time could see why Utd would D&A a manager.
Fergies last team won the league by 11 odd points so it certainly was not rubbish, which is why the Moyes era is so baffling. It is also fair to say that because Fergie was a bit tunnel visioned in respect to certain players he never really invested adequately in midfield, so we had an aging back line (bar DDG), and aging midfield and a pretty end of the road attack.
With Jose, he had a prety solid foundation to build on. At Chelsea he brought in the spine of the team in Drogba, Makele, Essien and Czech which pretty much took the team to another level. Each year he then only needed to tweak. If you believe the caf we are shit and therefore Jose has no foundation on which to build. So I doubt he would be a success for many years if that was true. I am in the minority camp that does not think we are shit, I like the balance, but believe we need a new spine (bar DDG). Get the spine and I think we will have many years of success, with or without LVG.
If I was having someone who just got that Chelsea team to close to relegation I'd be checking he wasn't on the piss.
Sadly (if you are not a Mourinho fan) I think he is the only option.
United need to win trophies and soon! any more failed projects or philosophies and the glory days might be only in the history books.
I can't think of another manager who I would be more confident in winning the premiership next season to be honest! even Pep is gamble (a tiny tiny gamble)
United need to win trophies and soon! any more failed projects or philosophies and the glory days might be only in the history books.
I can't think of another manager who I would be more confident in winning the premiership next season to be honest! even Pep is gamble (a tiny tiny gamble)
No sentimentality whatsoever. We have had two managers and the merry go round process hasn't worked as imagined. If anything, I am willing to take the risk of trying someone who can stick with us for a long duration of time. I am not against Jose, but can't ignore the red flags either. Regarding your point about Liverpool. We will definitely end up like them if we act/make decisions out of fear of looking like them.
For all the negatives Jose has, he's qualified first and foremost. Secondly, he's motivated to win and pretty much will have this siege mentality to feck everyone in his and the club's path...just win baby. I also believe Jose will be calmer and appreciate his environment, similar to how he was at Inter Milan. He's not a dumbass, hardly. He's worth the risk, as there's plenty of risk for any managerial decision made by the Club.
The way he conducted himself (his handshake and short on pitch chat with Fergie and in the post-game presser) when Real came to Old Trafford during that fateful CL night (Nani sending off, Modric equalizing goal, etc.) is something that always stuck in my mind.
The way he conducted himself (his handshake and short on pitch chat with Fergie and in the post-game presser) when Real came to Old Trafford during that fateful CL night (Nani sending off, Modric equalizing goal, etc.) is something that always stuck in my mind.
Cech and Makalele were signed before Mourinho took over at Chelsea, he can't really take any credit for signing them.
You pick a couple flaws from the total package but fail to see both sides. Did Chelsea and Real Madrid benefit when Mourinho went off his rocker? Besides, it's not just about being a hothead at times, it's also about the nature of the actions. Picking an opponents eye and create a sexist row for your club because of your ego is hardly acceptable behaviour. "Suarez might be banned for 30 games a season because of different disciplinary problems but will score a hattrick in each of the remaining 8 games to win us the league so buying him will be worth it". Keane left on a sour note and had he done that to Haaland today (admitting to deliberately target and injure an opponent) he would have, deservedly, get a ban similar to Cantona's. Yet that is some sort of behaviour we should look the other way for because they gave us success.
Sir Alex is a genius, one of a kind, that somehow manage to come out of possible unwanted situations stronger. Sold our stars in '95 but brought through a set of world class players from within the club. Fell out with our biggest superstar but replaced him with a player that he nurtured to be one of the best ever. Got rid of Keane and Ruud, signed only Carrick and created perhaps our greatest team from that. "Sacked" Schmeichel and got Pallister to resign during half time but he managed to sort that quickly and off the radar. Midas touch. I don't think Mourinho got that in him, never mind any manager in the world today.
I don't care that much about Chelsea's league position this season, I care more about the additional stuff that boosted their decline and Mourinho's part in it. The Eva Carneiro case was very ugly, for all parts involved, created solely by Mourinho for no apparent reason. He had moderate success at Real Madrid but they way he set the players up to play against Barcelona did nothing but damaging the club's reputation. He was a huge success at Inter but left the club in turmoil which the club has yet to recover from.
"No better man for a short-term kick up the proverbial". We said the same about LvG when he was appointed. Yet here we are, still underperforming. Atleast LvG is trying to build something which I find more suited to United as a club, with a thin squad which require to give youth a chance. Shame he fecks up when it comes to the football on display and picking the right transfers.
I'm not trying to downplay Mourinho's achievements, but he comes with a lot of warning signs which I strongly fear will be more damaging for us in the long-term that the possibility of short-term success won't make up for. He has so far completely ignored youth at every club he's been at since Porto, why should he change his stance on that at United? He wants to assemble a very expensive squad, will that be sustainable for us with our financial situation? Will we as a club and he manage to overcome his dreaded third-season nightmare? Will he manage to control his destructive behaviour and turn it into something beneficial like Sir Alex? Based on his CV I fear a negative response to all those questions. Do I at the same time accept that he probably comes with the highest probabilty of short-term success among the managers currently "available"? Yes I do, which I why I will give him a chance should he be appointed.
My bad, I was of the impression Czech signed in Jose first year and became first team GK when Cudicini got injured. I thought Makele was his first signing.
Must do better research.
It was probably said before but he is proven to be an amazing coach and he has the charisma to attract quality players to Old Trafford. I'd take him only for these two.
Van Gaal's next press conference is going to be something...
It started off being quite reasonable and all that, until you got to "He was a huge success at Inter but left the club in turmoil". How exactly did he do that? Is it his fault that Inter appointed Benitez to mess everything up?
The fact is Inter recovered to finish 2nd in Serie A that season after Benitez got fired.
No one said "No better man for a short-term kick up the proverbial" when LVG was appointed and having such a thin squad that we HAD to reply on youth players is certainly a negative for the manager (pure negligence).
It'll certainly be sustainable for us to have a very expensive squad that wins rather than one that fails to make the CL.
The so called 3rd season nightmare has seen him finish 2nd in his first Chelsea stint and 2nd at Real Madrid, what a nightmare compared to our last 3 seasons.
How? If anything, the post Fergie era so far has been handled exclactly out of the bollock 'longevity'. We did try someone who would stick with us for a long duration of time, see how that ended?
He'll just deny it. There is still a good possibility that this is bullshit.
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