BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

[MoskvaRed]

So the anti-Jose arguments:

1. He leaves teams in disarray - not true aside from this year. In fact, he left a team in his first stint at Chelsea so good that Avram Grant nearly won the Champions League.

2. His football is negative - it is more accurate to say he is pragmatic, as was SAF in later years. His Chelsea and Madrid teams played good football on the whole.

3. He ignores youth - true but he has generally been working for volatile owners who want instant results. Besides, United haven't brought through genuine first XI players from the youth set up for 20 years and few other big clubs have a regular production line of talent. So, largely irrelevant.

4. He won't stay more than three years - Welcome to the modern world. Neither Pep nor Carlo would either. Moyes would stay if you don't mind 10 years in mid-table.

5. He's a bit of a prick - guilty as charged and he's unlikely to change at his age. But most highly successful managers are not particularly well-balanced individuals (Ancelloti seems to be the glaring exception).

If nothing else, he will almost certainly win a trophy and it will add some colour to what has been a desperately grey environment for the last three years.

 

[Gambit]

I reckon he will stay for longer than 3 years.

 

[SalfordRed1960]

The difference is that people are saying that Mourinho is poor because of that, when LVG's critics say that LVG is poor at United not that he is poor in general.

Isn't that the same thing. Jose is poor at Chelsea because he couldn't turn it around at Chelsea, he couldn't get the players playing when they were in a rut. With LVG, he is poor at United (though many have referred to him being poor at Bayern and Barca) because he can't get players to play the way he wants causing them to be in a rut.

Either way, Jose has really only had one period where his team was not performing, and he couldn't deal with it. His attitude, behavior and its impact on the team and club was very negative. Maybe, he learned a lot from it, who knows, but interestingly his back staff were of no help to him either.

 

[Giant Midget]

What is the issue with him staying for only 3 years? Once a good team with players in their prime has been built, any half-decent coach should be able to get results with them.

The development of the youth structure, etc. should not be issues that a manager should deal with anymore. Pep has never got involved with that side, neither has Ancelotti or any top coach today.

There should be DoF who handles those things. Player recruitment should be done by the manager, albeit with directives over age and style of football.

 

[Von Mistelroum]

I reckon he will stay for longer than 3 years.

I agree with this. If Mourinho comes in then I believe he'll be keen to settle and give the job his all. I think he'll stay for as long as possible and, if it goes well, he might be here for many years to come.

 

[Ramshock]

I reckon he will stay for longer than 3 years.

 

[El-Manos]

I don't understand the logic of some people;

"he's got a horrible personality, he clashes with everyone"
Sure, United has been a hotbed of saints such as Fergie, Keane, Cantona, etc. Fergie refused to speak to the media for over a year, injured one of his own players by booting a football boot at his head, "sacked" Schmeichel at one point, Keane admitted deliberately injuring one player, and recently admitted that most of his red cards were for 'revenge'
Cantona assaulted a fan, as enjoyable as it was he let the club down.

"he failed at Chelsea this year"
ok..so ignoring the things he won at Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Madrid and Chelsea again

There is no better man for a short-term kick up the proverbial, which we need badly after this season. If we don't get him in we risk falling further behind.

Jose will want to prove everyone wrong after this season, imagine that.. a highly motivated Jose Mourinho, in the job that he's craved for years.

Do the deal

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[JPRouve]

Isn't that the same thing. Jose is poor at Chelsea because he couldn't turn it around at Chelsea, he couldn't get the players playing when they were in a rut. With LVG, he is poor at United (though many have referred to him being poor at Bayern and Barca) because he can't get players to play the way he wants causing them to be in a rut.

Either way, Jose has really only had one period where his team was not performing, and he couldn't deal with it. His attitude, behavior and its impact on the team and club was very negative. Maybe, he learned a lot from it, who knows, but interestingly his back staff were of no help to him either.

No it's not the same thing LVG is still a good coach like Mourinho is still a good coach.

As for the last part the circumstances have to be acknowledge and in the case of Mourinho the players and the club are guilty too.

 

[Eckers99]

Couldn't have said it better.

I agree.

 

[entropy]

I'll say one thing. With Jose as our manager, the media will be on our side for th first time in all these years. British media just loves him.

 

[Earthquake]

One concerning thing is, a lot of the pro Mourinho posts, especially about his bad end at Chelsea and likelihood of it being a blip, were being said a few months ago about another manager, Klopp, some even saying he'd instantly propel Liverpool into a title race. He'd prove himself again........ Motivated... Etc.....

That's looking daft now, but of course Mourinho is far more proven at the highest level, so if he had to come in, hopefully the Klopperpool thing doesn't happen.

 

[Nik70]

I don't understand the logic of some people;

"he's got a horrible personality, he clashes with everyone"
Sure, United has been a hotbed of saints such as Fergie, Keane, Cantona, etc. Fergie refused to speak to the media for over a year, injured one of his own players by booting a football boot at his head, "sacked" Schmeichel at one point, Keane admitted deliberately injuring one player, and recently admitted that most of his red cards were for 'revenge'
Cantona assaulted a fan, as enjoyable as it was he let the club down.

"he failed at Chelsea this year"
ok..so ignoring the things he won at Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Madrid and Chelsea again

There is no better man for a short-term kick up the proverbial, which we need badly after this season. If we don't get him in we risk falling further behind.

Jose will want to prove everyone wrong after this season, imagine that.. a highly motivated Jose Mourinho, in the job that he's craved for years.

Do the deal

Agreed 100%

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

I really don't understand this obsession from Utd fans with 'longevity', 'hoping he'll be here for many years to come'. Results come first. Ronaldo was here for only 6 years and openly ditched us for something more glamorous but you bet your ass most of the fanbase love him more than they'll ever love Rooney. Why does it have to be an issue, at all?

 

[RedStarUnited]

One concerning thing is, a lot of the pro Mourinho posts, especially about his bad end at Chelsea and likelihood of it being a blip, were being said a few months ago about another manager, Klopp, some even saying he'd instantly propel Liverpool into a title race. He'd prove himself again........ Motivated... Etc.....

That's looking daft now, but of course Mourinho is far more proven at the highest level, so if he had to come in, hopefully the Klopperpool thing doesn't happen.

Tbf its not Klopps team. They paid 32m for Benteke and he is benched all the time.

 

[pseudo_canadian]

From reddit: http://i.imgur.com/V5DdecZ.jpg

Guy claims that his friend works in a Manchester lab. It's his urine sample.

 

[SirAF]

From reddit: http://i.imgur.com/V5DdecZ.jpg

Guy claims that his friend works in a Manchester lab. It's his urine sample.

 

[Stobzilla]

From reddit: http://i.imgur.com/V5DdecZ.jpg

Guy claims that his friend works in a Manchester lab. It's his urine sample.

This is what it has come to.

 

[pseudo_canadian]

From reddit: http://i.imgur.com/V5DdecZ.jpg

Guy claims that his friend works in a Manchester lab. It's his urine sample.

Disregard, it's a joke apparently.

 

[kps88]

Disregard, it's a joke apparently.

 

[Earthquake]

Tbf its not Klopps team. They paid 32m for Benteke and he is benched all the time.

It isn't, but apparently if we sign Mourinho now it's a guarantee of at least 4th, and a good chance at winning the Europa, along with more ridiculous claims. In this case, it wouldn't be "his team" either.

Despite it not being his team, similar things were said of Klopp, and an instant upturn of fortune was expected, yet they're exactly the same as they've been all season, perhaps slightly worse barring the odd game raising against City, etc.

 

[PlayerOne]

Disregard, it's a joke apparently.

 

[paulscholes18]

I don't understand the logic of some people;

"he's got a horrible personality, he clashes with everyone"
Sure, United has been a hotbed of saints such as Fergie, Keane, Cantona, etc. Fergie refused to speak to the media for over a year, injured one of his own players by booting a football boot at his head, "sacked" Schmeichel at one point, Keane admitted deliberately injuring one player, and recently admitted that most of his red cards were for 'revenge'
Cantona assaulted a fan, as enjoyable as it was he let the club down.

"he failed at Chelsea this year"
ok..so ignoring the things he won at Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Madrid and Chelsea again

There is no better man for a short-term kick up the proverbial, which we need badly after this season. If we don't get him in we risk falling further behind.

Jose will want to prove everyone wrong after this season, imagine that.. a highly motivated Jose Mourinho, in the job that he's craved for years.

Do the deal

POTY

 

[Jonnymufc]

"It's a-me, Mario!"

 

[pseudo_canadian]

I didn't give it a close enough look the first time, but someone just photo-shopped the Schneiderlin blood sample pic from the summer.

 

[Damien]

Disregard, it's a joke apparently.

It's a piss-take (pun intended) of the Schneiderlin blood sample stuff last summer.

 

[pseudo_canadian]

It's a piss-take (pun intended) of the Schneiderlin blood sample stuff last summer.

Very much so.

 

[SSSSnake]

And if we scored in the first few minutes and he then shut up shop for a 1-0 win, I am sure the OT faithful will rock him the same way they have LVG.

I would take a 1-0 over anything I've seen the past 3 years. Nothing wrong doing that against the big teams. Prove me wrong but I don't think there were that many 1-0 wins in Jose's title winning teams. In fact they were quite free flowing.

Who would you suggest take charge?

 

[Revan]

One concerning thing is, a lot of the pro Mourinho posts, especially about his bad end at Chelsea and likelihood of it being a blip, were being said a few months ago about another manager, Klopp, some even saying he'd instantly propel Liverpool into a title race. He'd prove himself again........ Motivated... Etc.....

That's looking daft now, but of course Mourinho is far more proven at the highest level, so if he had to come in, hopefully the Klopperpool thing doesn't happen.

To be fair, Klopp has a shit team and took in mid-season. Also, his accomplishments are far less spectacular than Mourinho's.

I still think that Klopp might come very good, providing that the club backs him. And I think that Mourinho and Klopp are far different in every aspect, so there is no point on making parallels between them.

 

[SSSSnake]

How was this his fault? It was a year before he came to the club and 4 years after he left. Are we now blaming everything that ever happens at Chelsea on him?

Defensive wall against Barca while down to 10 men for 60 minutes of the game. Would any other manager approach this game differently? At home they won 3-1 with a good performance.

Ignore him fella. As soon as he started comparing Jose to LVG's boring football he lost all credibility.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Also isn't this the first break Jose Mourinho has had in his management career?

Think it will do him good and he will come back strong. Whether that's at United or elsewhere

 

[SirAF]

Also isn't this the first break Jose Mourinho has had in his management career?

Think it will do him good and he will come back strong. Whether that's at United or elsewhere

He had a break from september until june when he left Chelsea first time around, didn't he? I agree that it will do him good though.

 

[Damien]

Also isn't this the first break Jose Mourinho has had in his management career?

No. First spell at Chelsea he was gone in September 2007 and became manager of Inter the following summer.

 

[Earthquake]

To be fair, Klopp has a shit team and took in mid-season. Also, his accomplishments are far less spectacular than Mourinho's.

I still think that Klopp might come very good, providing that the club backs him. And I think that Mourinho and Klopp are far different in every aspect, so there is no point on making parallels between them.

Aye, Klopp is a manager I actually really rate, and I reckon he can come good.

The main point though, is that *nothing* is guaranteed in football. Not even Mourinho.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

He had a break from september until june when he left Chelsea first time around, didn't he? I agree that it will do him good though.

No. First spell at Chelsea he was gone in September 2007 and became manager of Inter the following summer.

Oh yes, my mistake

 

[Striker10]

I really don't understand this obsession from Utd fans with 'longevity', 'hoping he'll be here for many years to come'. Results come first. Ronaldo was here for only 6 years and openly ditched us for something more glamorous but you bet your ass most of the fanbase love him more than they'll ever love Rooney. Why does it have to be an issue, at all?

It's when you buy and plan with an eye to the future so as to prolong the success. That's the idea anyway. Also if you have a manager over a duration then it's easier to bring players in. It's harder when you keep changing manager every 2/3 years having to maybe scout different players. We kept Ronaldo for 6 years, but if Sir Alex had have left - perhaps we'd have lost Ronaldo sooner?...So there are advantages and we've been fortunate to have had two guys manage the club between them for over 50+ years. There's a pride in that, just like the youth being involved in first team squads.

 

[Cal?]

Lots more coverage in the last couple of days. Hopefully this is finally true.

The best piece of news regarding United since May 2013.

 

[JPRouve]

Lots more coverage in the last couple of days. Hopefully this is finally true.

The best piece of news regarding United since May 2013.

Really? What about Fellaini arriving in time for his medical?

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Lots more coverage in the last couple of days. Hopefully this is finally true.

The best piece of news regarding United since May 2013.

Best news since Fergie retired? That was awful news

 

[Cal?]

Really? What about Fellaini arriving in time for his medical?

Actually, I'm even tempted to say, the best bit of news since May 2008.

Anyway, referring to my original time scale:

May 2013 - we won the league - Yay! - Good news level (out of 10) = 8
May 2013 - Sir Alex retires - Oh shit! - Good news level = 1, the worst thing that could have happened, but wish him happy retirement and all that
May 2013 - Moyes appointed - Shit got real - Good news level = 0, a disaster
Since then, we've gone from one disaster to another... literally nothing good has happened since we won the league in 2013.

 

[Cal?]

Best news since Fergie retired? That was awful news

Wining the league was the good news, Sir Alex retirement was the worst of the worst...