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Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?


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Wrong games CL final vs Bayern, getting knocked our by PSG and a defensive wall against Barca.

Win at all costs attitude. Seems a bit hypocritical that we slate LVG for boring wins, but for Jose a tactical masterclass.

How was this his fault? It was a year before he came to the club and 4 years after he left. Are we now blaming everything that ever happens at Chelsea on him?

Defensive wall against Barca while down to 10 men for 60 minutes of the game. Would any other manager approach this game differently? At home they won 3-1 with a good performance.
 
To be fair I reckon Van Gaal would be getting a lot less criticism if we were boring but consistently winning. It is the winning that makes it a tactical masterclass.

He was getting little criticism at the start of season while we were winning, understandably. When we were top of the league he wasn't criticized.
 
Personality, actions, behaviour and what he does to a club. He's a pig.

I think it's all overplayed. he was a media darling in his first Chelsea stint. I'm happy to ignore the Madrid stint as, well, it's Madrid and it's a toxic club anyway. I don't think he ever really wanted to go back to Chelsea to be honest, he's wanted us ever since Fergie left. I firmly believe he'll be a changed man when he's here.
 
I think it's all overplayed. he was a media darling in his first Chelsea stint. I'm happy to ignore the Madrid stint as, well, it's Madrid and it's a toxic club anyway. I don't think he ever really wanted to go back to Chelsea to be honest, he's wanted us ever since Fergie left. I firmly believe he'll be a changed man when he's here.
Just hopefully changed in the right way.
 
2/3 max seasons of winning to Chelsea-like performance the next? I'd rather not. Whatever the reasons or circumstances, he turned a league-winning team into a team struggling to keep out of the relegation zone, mostly because of his toxic personality. Not only that but I'd rather not see him shit from a great height over our current youth prospects. Maybe winning isn't everything to all of us, if I cringe every time I think of our manager that takes a lot of enjoyment away from supporting for me.

I think it's unfair to say that he turned that team into what they've become this year. Hazard, Oscar and the rest of them should take the blame for that. In any case, I'm happy to look at his entire career of success rather than this relative blip. As for toxic personality, in the right situation he's adored by his players (first Chelsea sting, Inter, Porto). will United be a toxic environment for him to work in? no way.
 
Have you not learned from our Transfer Tweets section (or the film Green Street) not to trust Journo's :lol:

Ha well most of them... 95% of them are full of shit. One or two have a decent track record, plus the constant noise from all the tabloids, makes this seem more on than off.
 
I think it's unfair to say that he turned that team into what they've become this year. Hazard, Oscar and the rest of them should take the blame for that. In any case, I'm happy to look at his entire career of success rather than this relative blip. As for toxic personality, in the right situation he's adored by his players (first Chelsea sting, Inter, Porto). will United be a toxic environment for him to work in? no way.

Nothing gets any more toxic than Real Madrid
 
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I didn't know Hilter has a case of frontbutt.
 
I think it's unfair to say that he turned that team into what they've become this year. Hazard, Oscar and the rest of them should take the blame for that. In any case, I'm happy to look at his entire career of success rather than this relative blip. As for toxic personality, in the right situation he's adored by his players (first Chelsea sting, Inter, Porto). will United be a toxic environment for him to work in? no way.

Get a grip :nono:

No one says remotely the same thing for Van Gaal so I dont see why the players get the blame off Moan-rinho.
 
This would be the first time Di Marzio would be wrong. One of the very few reliable journalists.
He has certainly spouted some bollocks over the years I'm sure of it. Still, he is more reliable but he is not gospel.
 
I think it's all overplayed. he was a media darling in his first Chelsea stint. I'm happy to ignore the Madrid stint as, well, it's Madrid and it's a toxic club anyway. I don't think he ever really wanted to go back to Chelsea to be honest, he's wanted us ever since Fergie left. I firmly believe he'll be a changed man when he's here.

But after just a few months the head of Uefa's referees committee Volker Roth had called the Portuguese coach an "enemy of football".

A month later he was fined £5,000 for calling Manchester United players cheats.

In June 2005 he was fined £75,000, for meeting then-Arsenal player Ashley Cole, without his club's consent.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...t-controversial-moments-as-a-football-manager
 
Get a grip :nono:

No one says remotely the same thing for Van Gaal so I dont see why the players get the blame off Moan-rinho.
Even if the players downed tools the buck still stops with the manager given it is his job to motivate them. Obviously the players would not be blameless but you would have to ask why they did it, what the manager could have done differently to improve team spirit and morale, to make them want to fight for him. When a player will move mountains for his manager, the manager is credited with instilling that attitude in him, so the reverse must also be true. It is not a comparison that is particularly relevant with Van Gaal because the issue for most of the season has been about systems, which is more obviously a matter for the manager - there is less ambiguity. But it is an argument that was made plenty during the Moyes tenure, when people debated whether it was the manager or the players. Answer: it is the manager, because even if it is the players, it is still the manager. Either he motivates them better if it is in them, or he replaces them quicker if it isnt.

For me Mourinho cannot shirk responsibility for what happened at Chelsea. It is his fault whatever way you look at it. That isnt up for debate as far as Im concerned. The question is only whether it was a blip, or evidence of a more significant malaise. But Im happy to give him the benefit of the doubt at this stage, on account of our desperation.
 
The people who don't want Mourinho are the same who wouldn't have sanctioned the transfer of Martial. This mentality will hinder us in this current world of football. Times have changed.
 
The people who don't want Mourinho are the same who wouldn't have sanctioned the transfer of Martial. This mentality will hinder us in this current world of football. Times have changed.

Yeah, at the end of the day everything is a risk, some risks are better to take than others like hiring Mourinho for example. Can't make omelettes without breaking some eggs.
 
The people who don't want Mourinho are the same who wouldn't have sanctioned the transfer of Martial. This mentality will hinder us in this current world of football. Times have changed.

Ha!! How do you possibly jump to that conclusion?

Case in point: Not me.

There are reasons beyond football for not wanting him here. And by the way, would Mourinho have sanctioned the Martial transfer? That is very debatable.
 
Ha!! How do you possibly jump to that conclusion?

Case in point: Not me.

There are reasons beyond football for not wanting him here. And by the way, would Mourinho have sanctioned the Martial transfer? That is very debatable.

Chelsea were the other team after him.
 
For me Mourinho cannot shirk responsibility for what happened at Chelsea. It is his fault whatever way you look at it. That isnt up for debate as far as Im concerned. The question is only whether it was a blip, or evidence of a more significant malaise.

The question is also whether it's likely that similar circumstances (to those which led to Chelsea's catastrophic season) will occur at United. Maureen was an obvious factor in what happened, and has to take the ultimate blame for it, but the other parts of that equation aren't necessarily present at United: Owner(s), players, the motivation of the manager - crucial factors which may be radically different if Maureen gets the United gig.

Given his track record it would be naive to think everything will go smoothly, but that doesn't mean it's logical to conclude that he will fall out with everyone and leave the club in a mess similar to the one Chelsea find themselves in.
 
I think to some extent the reason it looks desperate is principally because after two managers have come and failed, we are desperate. But some of it is about Mourinho personally as well: there is a perception, whether accurate or not, that he was passed over for the job before, that we snubbed him, but now we are going back to him cap in hand. That looks desperate, and sometimes appearances are as important as realities. There is also the perception among some people - a few, a lot, I dont know - that he may be past it, that he lost the plot in Madrid, it got worse at Chelsea, he finally crashed and burned, but that we turned to him anyway as our last roll of the dice. That looks like desperation. There is the view, this one more mainstream, that we would have appointed other people if we had the chance - Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, whoever, but all those candidates slipped through our fingers: that looks desperate.

It can be argued both ways of course, I dont need to repeat the accepted wisdom that he is a serial winner, PL tested, wants to manage us more than he has ever wanted anything in his life before, wants to replicate SAF etc etc. So in that sense it doesnt look desperate.

But among my friends who dont support United the word desperate is cropping up a lot to describe this, and to be honest I am not inclined to disagree, and that is related to the very first bit of this post: whether this appointment is desperate specifically because it is Mourinho or not, the fact of the matter is we are now desperate, desperate for an end to the shit we have endured ever since SAF left, desperately hoping Mourinho will be our saviour. So whether or not people are using the word to mean the same thing, I do think it is a fair description of where we are right now, so I am not inclined to argue the point.

neglecting the fact that he won the PL in his first season back at Chelsea
 
Anyone who doesn't think that a group of highly paid and experienced professional footballers should take at least half the blame for the dip in Chelsea's results, needs to realise that they in fact do. They still had a job to do and let their personal grievances affect the club and fans who pay their wage and cheer them on. They literally tried to get the manager sacked. This has been the only real time in which Mourinho lost his dressing room. He made a bad call and paid the price for it because of his own ignorance and the childishness of the group he managed. We all make mistakes.

He will have learned from it and will be eager to set the record straight with this new challenge that we expect awaits him.
 
I don't understand the logic of some people;

"he's got a horrible personality, he clashes with everyone"
Sure, United has been a hotbed of saints such as Fergie, Keane, Cantona, etc. Fergie refused to speak to the media for over a year, injured one of his own players by booting a football boot at his head, "sacked" Schmeichel at one point, Keane admitted deliberately injuring one player, and recently admitted that most of his red cards were for 'revenge'
Cantona assaulted a fan, as enjoyable as it was he let the club down.

"he failed at Chelsea this year"
ok..so ignoring the things he won at Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Madrid and Chelsea again

There is no better man for a short-term kick up the proverbial, which we need badly after this season. If we don't get him in we risk falling further behind.

Jose will want to prove everyone wrong after this season, imagine that.. a highly motivated Jose Mourinho, in the job that he's craved for years.

Do the deal
 
I think it's unfair to say that he turned that team into what they've become this year. Hazard, Oscar and the rest of them should take the blame for that. In any case, I'm happy to look at his entire career of success rather than this relative blip. As for toxic personality, in the right situation he's adored by his players (first Chelsea sting, Inter, Porto). will United be a toxic environment for him to work in? no way.
Everything you have said there is applicable to LVG. The caf response is the buck stops at LVG, so the buck has to stop with Jose for Chelsea doing a Moyeseque decline. As so many on here say, it is the managers responsibility to get the players playing.

At the end of the day I will support the manager, but as others have said, there is sufficient evidence to ask is the behavior of Jose worth the potential short term benefit of one or two trophies. And let's be honest the trophies may not come, it is not guaranteed.
 
There were a lot of other teams. They were very last minute.

No only three teams made an offer, Arsenal, Madrid, City and Barcelona thought that he wasn't available because Monaco told them that. Chelsea and United made crazy offers.
 
I don't understand the logic of some people;

"he's got a horrible personality, he clashes with everyone"
Sure, United has been a hotbed of saints such as Fergie, Keane, Cantona, etc. Fergie refused to speak to the media for over a year, injured one of his own players by booting a football boot at his head, "sacked" Schmeichel at one point, Keane admitted deliberately injuring one player, and recently admitted that most of his red cards were for 'revenge'
Cantona assaulted a fan, as enjoyable as it was he let the club down.

"he failed at Chelsea this year"
ok..so ignoring the things he won at Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Madrid and Chelsea again

There is no better man for a short-term kick up the proverbial, which we need badly after this season. If we don't get him in we risk falling further behind.

Jose will want to prove everyone wrong after this season, imagine that.. a highly motivated Jose Mourinho, in the job that he's craved for years.

Do the deal

Smashed it
 
Ha!! How do you possibly jump to that conclusion?

Case in point: Not me.

There are reasons beyond football for not wanting him here. And by the way, would Mourinho have sanctioned the Martial transfer? That is very debatable.
There seems to be a very loud chunk of our fan base that are afraid to take risks. They go on about youth development, club ethos and the 'United way' all the time. Its eerie how similar they are to Liverpool fans. That mentality imo gets you nowhere in today's football.

And I do believe Chelsea were after him.

Let's say Mourinho does take over, does well for a few years but leaves us in a mess (which some people are certain he will). Can he really leave us in a worst position than we currently are? I don't think so. In a perfect world Mourinho would come and get us challenging again for all titles, then after 3 or 4 years do one and we replace him with a fresh hungry manager.
 
Everything you have said there is applicable to LVG. The caf response is the buck stops at LVG, so the buck has to stop with Jose for Chelsea doing a Moyeseque decline. As so many on here say, it is the managers responsibility to get the players playing.

At the end of the day I will support the manager, but as others have said, there is sufficient evidence to ask is the behavior of Jose worth the potential short term benefit of one or two trophies. And let's be honest the trophies may not come, it is not guaranteed.

The difference is that people are saying that Mourinho is poor because of that, when LVG's critics say that LVG is poor at United not that he is poor in general.
 
So we're going to have to ask him not to throw the team under the bus, blame everyone else for his mistakes, pick fights with random staff members for doing their job or poke opponents in the eye and to play our youth players and focus on attacking football. At what point would appointing someone with a record of being able to complete those everyday managerial tasks be quicker?
I wish it were that easy, I really do
 
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